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US President Barack Obama is in Boston attending a memorial service for victims of Monday's marathon bombing.
The president told mourners gathered for an interfaith service that everyone had been touched by the attack on their beloved city.
His visit comes as investigators found clear video images of two potential suspects carrying black bags.
Two bombs were detonated near the finish line, killing three people and injuring more than 170.
Roads were closed around the Cathedral of the Holy Cross, the main Roman Catholic cathedral in Boston, ahead of the president's arrival on Thursday.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-221...
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Apr 18, 2013
 
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Why?
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Shorter KJV: There's no proof.
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Amused wrote:
<quoted text>Shorter KJV: There's no proof.
I have proof.
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Apr 18, 2013
 
Amused wrote:
<quoted text>Shorter KJV: There's no proof.
No
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Is that better?
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Apr 18, 2013
 
KJV wrote:
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Is that better?
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Apr 18, 2013
 
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I have proof.
Show it. Got a picture of a soul? Got an eyewitness who saw an actual soul? Got a measure of the energy contained in a soul? Got a measure of the weight of a soul?

Let me save you the trouble of replying: No, No, No and No. That about cover it?
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Apr 18, 2013
 
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Amused wrote:
<quoted text>Show it. Got a picture of a soul? Got an eyewitness who saw an actual soul? Got a measure of the energy contained in a soul? Got a measure of the weight of a soul?

Let me save you the trouble of replying: No, No, No and No. That about cover it?
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Atheists don't blow up people with bombs.
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Howie Doohan wrote:
Atheists don't blow up people with bombs.
Atheists don't blow up people with bombs in the name of a god. Since much of the bloodshed on this big blue marble is caused by religious differences, it means atheists kill fewer people. Unfortunately, atheists, being human, likely have and will take part in wars waged for other reasons.
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Howie Doohan wrote:
Atheists don't blow up people with bombs.
Wrong

"Unabomber Ted Kaczynski was a cradle atheist:

"Ted and David's parents, Wanda and Theodore R. Kaczynski, were atheists, working-class intellectuals who valued education and dearly wanted their sons to succeed on a higher plane." ('I Don't Want To Live Long: Ted Kaczynski,' by Stephen J. Dubner Monday, Oct. 18, 1999, Time.)
In his Manifesto Mr. Kaczynski wrote of a "religious vacuum" in society, and considers, but rejects, the idea of founding a new nature religion to appeal to his fellow technology-haters. The passing sneer he delivers against existing religions suggests his mature views did not stray far from those he learned sitting on his parents' lap: "Religion, nowadays either is used as cheap and transparent support for narrow, short-sighted selfishness (some conservatives use it this way), or even is cynically exploited to make easy money (by many evangelists), or has degenerated into crude irrationalism (fundamentalist protestant sects,'cults'), or is simply stagnant (Catholicism, main-line Protestantism)." (Ted Kaczynski, Manifesto, note 30, Paragraph 184).

This man, who sent bombs through the mail to various people he disliked, in some cases with lethal results, was a true nihilist, an atheist's atheist:

"'I believe in nothing,' Kaczynski wrote in the journals released last week by federal prosecutors.'I don't even believe in the cult of nature-worshipers or wilderness-worshipers.'" (quoted in 'Kaczynski Sentenced to Four Life Terms,' by William Booth, Washington Post, Tuesday, May 5, 1998.)
His death toll was only three, but not for lack of trying; his "mad crusade against modern technology left three people dead and twenty-nine injured" (The Serial Killer Files, by Harold Schechter, p. 322). Another atheist, who racked up a more impressive body count, is Carl Panzram, hanged on September 5, 1930. The always quotable Mr. Panzram said,

"In my life time I have murdered 21 human beings. I have committed thousands of burglaries, robberies, larcenies, arsons and last but not least I have committed sodomy on more than 1,000 male human beings. for all of these things I am not the least bit sorry. I have no conscience so that does not worry me. I don’t believe in Man, God nor devil. I hate the whole damed human race including myself." (Lustmord: The Writings and Artifacts of Murderers, p. 169,(1997), Brian King, ed. ISBN 096503240X, Wikiquote)
Like Charles Manson, this killer spent much of his life incarcerated, in reform school, military stockade, and civilian prison, and all he learned in those snake pits was the law of the jungle: "Force and might makes right...As the years went on that idea persisted in my mind above all others. I figured that if I was strong enough and clever enough to impose my will on others, I was right." (Lustmord, p. 174, Wikiquote); "If you or any one else will take the trouble and have the intelligence and patience to follow and examine every one of my crimes and actions you will find that I have consistently followed one idea thru all my life. I preyed upon the weak, the harmless or unsuspecting." (Lustmord, p. 193, Wikiquote).

Some killers accept Jesus as Savior after having committed their crimes, and look back at themselves committing those crimes and see an atheist. Cannibal Jeffrey Dahmer falls into this category. On the NBC Dateline program, November 29, 1994, he said:
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Howie Doohan wrote:
Atheists don't blow up people with bombs.
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"If a person doesn't think that there is a God to be accountable to, then what's the point of trying to modify your behavior to keep it within acceptable ranges? That's how I thought anyway. I always believed the theory of evolution as the truth, that we all just came from the slime. When we died, you know, that was it, there is nothing, and I've since come to believe that the Lord Jesus Christ is truly God, and I believe that I, as well as everyone else, will be accountable to Him." (Jeffrey Dahmer, quoted on FaithFacts.org )."

"The idea that no atheist would ever commit murder, because he has no reason to do so, is a corollary of the thesis that 'religion poisons everything.' According to the 'New Atheists,' religion is the source of all evil in the world, including murder: therefore, no atheist commits murder. Q.E.D. But is it true? Of course not. Timothy McVeigh, who bombed the federal building in Oklahoma City and was executed for that crime, was a self-confessed "agnostic":

“In his letter, McVeigh said he was an agnostic but that he would "improvise, adapt and overcome", if it turned out there was an afterlife.'If I'm going to hell,' he wrote,'I'm gonna have a lot of company.'”

'McVeigh faces day of reckoning: Special report,' Julian Borger in Terre Haute, The Guardian, Monday 11 June 2001

Another murderous agnostic was Harold 'Fred' Shipman, who murdered up to 284 patients during his career as a family physician in England:

"He was always sarcastic about Vivien Langfield's involvement with the United Reform Church, and her training for the ministry, making comments like 'You'd better ask Miss Langfield, she's the Christ follower.' Yet, despite these disparaging remarks about Christianity, she remembers him having an argument with one of the other doctors about the number of loaves and fishes Jesus produced in the miracle on the shores of Lake Galilee: as ever, he was determined to be right (even though he later told the police, when asked about his religion, that he was agnostic)." (Harold Shipman: Prescription for Murder, by Brian Whittle and Jean Ritchie, p. 150)."

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KJV wrote:
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"If a person doesn't think that there is a God to be accountable to, then what's the point of trying to modify your behavior to keep it within acceptable ranges?
Why do you creationists repeat the same flawed arguments over and over again?

We are atheists - we don't need an imaginary god to "fear" us into being good people and doing the right thing.

If you people need a god to "fear" you into behaving morally, we as a society should be afraid of you.

Because the only thing that is keeping you from murdering, raping and harming society is your imaginary god?

If this is true, we as a species are royally f*cked. I would hate to be a theist.

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-Skeptic- wrote:
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Why do you creationists repeat the same flawed arguments over and over again?
We are atheists - we don't need an imaginary god to "fear" us into being good people and doing the right thing.
If you people need a god to "fear" you into behaving morally, we as a society should be afraid of you.
Because the only thing that is keeping you from murdering, raping and harming society is your imaginary god?
If this is true, we as a species are royally f*cked. I would hate to be a theist.
I'll hate to be a atheist. God is real, right now. He is loving and you atheists would probably murder and say, why didn't God stop me from murdering. Burn in hell for all I care.
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Apr 24, 2013
 
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"If a person doesn't think that there is a God to be accountable to, then what's the point of trying to modify your behavior to keep it within acceptable ranges?...
And the "acceptable ranges", as modeled by theists, include waging jihad and crusades, torturing 'heretics' who disagree with your version of the fairy tale, pogroms against Jews for being 'christ-killers', waging war against those of different religions, flying planes full of hostages into buildings filled with innocent people, lighting off pressure cooker bombs packed with shrapnel in crowded areas to ensure the most death and injury.

Sorry, no thanks. I'm looking for some narrower "acceptable ranges".

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I'll hate to be a atheist. God is real, right now. He is loving and you atheists would probably murder and say, why didn't God stop me from murdering. Burn in hell for all I care.
Do you mean that immoral, genocidal, homicidal ,infanticidal, slavery and rape condoning god of the bible? Even if it were to be real, it would be unworthy of worship

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Apr 24, 2013
 
Empathy is a normal element of the adult human psyche, as is concern for the welfare of others. Absent an authoritarian source of morals and ethics that requires no thought from its adherents, those same adults will have developed their own systems based on those qualities and on societal mores. The latter, of course, include religious tenets, but even in their absence, only in those with sociopathic tendencies would healthy ethical systems be absent. Sociopaths tend to twist moral systems so far out of shape as to be unrecognizable, so even the most consistent and authoritative moral systems are inadequate in their cases.

Religious systems work for most of their adherents--I don't dispute that. But there is no reason to think that they are uniquely necessary to keep human behavior within the bounds of civilized standards.

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Carchar king wrote:
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I'll hate to be a atheist. God is real, right now. He is loving and you atheists would probably murder and say, why didn't God stop me from murdering. Burn in hell for all I care.
No.

The correct question is this: why does your god NOT keep you god-fearing people from doing horrid things?

I mean, down through history, you god-lovers have murdered, raped, maimed, killed, tortured, started wars... and so forth.

Your "excuse" is "free will".

But, why did not your god talk to his servants, and convince them to NOT do horrid things?

I mean-- these people believed EXACTLY as you do now-- yet they did horrible things.

And after doing these horrible things? They said, "Jesus, forgive!" and *poof* they were forgiven by your god! As if they had done nothing horrible!

That's just ... wrong.

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Apr 24, 2013
 
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I'll hate to be a atheist. God is real, right now. He is loving
Which God, Zeus, Horus, or Yahweh?
Carchar king wrote:
<quoted text> you atheists would probably murder and say, why didn't God stop me from murdering.
I've been an atheists for several years now and I won't look back. I no longer have to fear going to hell just because of my sexual orientation.
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<quoted text>Burn in hell for all I care.
Isn't it funny that you just blabbered about how loving God is and yet you, his disciple, do not care if we burn in hell or not?
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Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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I mean-- these people believed EXACTLY as you do now-- yet they did horrible things.
And after doing these horrible things? They said, "Jesus, forgive!" and *poof* they were forgiven by your god! As if they had done nothing horrible!
That's just ... wrong.
The "poof, you are forgiven" leads to another interesting question. According to christian doctrine, jesus had to die on the cross as a sacrifice to atone for all of mankind's sins. To make it universal, they had to invent a hypothetical inherited sin (original sin) so that the well behaved among us would still feel some need to be forgiven even if they personally did not harm anyone. So, if a human sacrifice is needed to "atone" for a trivial, hypothetical sin, how come people who have committed truly atrocious acts can be forgiven without any sacrifice accompanying the atonement? And, conversely, how come god could not have simply poofed away the original sin without all the bother and drama attending to the new testament? Did he not have the power to do so? If he did, the whole sacrifice thing seems pointless and unnecessary. If he did not, one must ask what constrained him? Does the christian god answer to an even higher power that sets limits on what he can and cannot do?

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