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Doctor Who Two wrote:
Facts: Atheist consist of 2.3% of the world population
Fact: Atheist Definition:
athe·ist\ˈā-thē-ist\
noun
: one who believes that there is no deity
Fact: Most Atheist leave the faith
Fact: The United States was not founded on atheism.
Fact: Atheism is a Religion
Fact: science is corrupt
Fact:Atheism: Lack of belief in gods.

Fact: Faith: Most of us were indoctrinated into silliness. We became resilient. We grew up.

http://youtu.be/mnNSe5XYp6E

Fact: U.S.: Not founded on atheism (lack of belief) but not founded on Christianity. See Treaty of Tripoli. Freedom of and from religion.

Fact: Atheism is a religion? I'm a rational skeptic. So atheists have a set of norms, rituals, a code of behavior, feast days, holy books, priestcraft, etc.? I was unaware of this. But then again, I'm a rational skeptic.

Fact: Science: Science is a field that requires a phenomenal capacity for abstract reasoning. I can see where someone who is incapable of such a feat would build a weird conspiracy theory which is also a sign of paranoia. My friend's family had three maids in Oaxaca, Mexico, who were afraid of science and their fear was embodied in the vacuum cleaner. My friend had the local priest "bless" her Black&Dekker Dust Buster. It's okay to be in touch with your feelings and release the frustration. However, insecurity in an area of learning can be dealt with through better means than just kicking the science experiment and throwing a tantrum, no matter how pleasant the tantrum may be. If you are unable to handle science, there are many, many, many, other venues where you can excel without the need for abstract reasoning. No, I was not going to say "dog catcher".

Avoiding science is like avoiding peer pressure. If you try and avoid every instance of peer pressure/science you will end up without any peers/science whatsoever, and the trick is to succumb to enough peer pressure/use enough science that you do not drive your peers away or end up electrocuted...but not so much that you end up in a situation in which you are dead or otherwise uncomfortable. This is a difficult trick, and most people who are afraid of science or peer pressure never master it, and end up dead or uncomfortable at least once during their lives.

There is help. You are welcome!

http://youtu.be/mnNSe5XYp6E
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Doctor Who Two wrote:
Facts: Atheist consist of 2.3% of the world population
Fact: Catholicism is the most predominant Christian faith in the world. It must therefore be true.
Doctor Who Two wrote:
Fact: Atheist Definition:
athe·ist\ˈā-thē-ist\
noun
: one who believes that there is no deity
Fact: you cannot define atheism without using negative terminology.
Doctor Who Two wrote:
Fact: Most Atheist leave the faith
Fact: making claims out of thin air and placing "Fact" at the beginning of the sentences does not make them facts.
Doctor Who Two wrote:
Fact: The United States was not founded on atheism.
Fact: The United States was not founded on religion.
Doctor Who Two wrote:
Fact: Atheism is a Religion
Fact: you cannot define atheism without using negative terminology. Therefore, you cannot define atheism as a positive belief, and thus, it cannot be defined as a religion.
Doctor Who Two wrote:
Fact: science is corrupt
Fact: science made the computer that allows you to spout your bile.

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Oct 14, 2012
 
The above are the same old, worn out, previously debunked, theistic lies that aren't even worth the time of day..
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Atheist claim all humans are born atheist, that's 100% of the population are at one time atheist. Current atheist population is 2.3%. That means 97.7% have left the faith.
Yeah, because infants and children are more than capable of making sound philosophical decisions right from birth.

The point of that phrase is that people are born with no concept of God and are subsequently brought into religion by other people. People, not deities.

That you actually think this phrases means that children are well aware of atheism from their early years is either silly or dishonest. I think you are smarter than you are letting yourself on to be, so I am opting for the second.
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Oct 14, 2012
 
Doctor Who Two wrote:
Atheist is a Religion.
Religion
Synonyms: credo, creed, cult, FAITH, persuasion
faith\ˈfāth\
noun
b (1): firm belief in something for which there is no proof
Atheism
Belief that there is no Deity or Deities.
Hence - Atheism = Religion
"no Deity"

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"no"

You lose. When you can define atheism without using negative terminology, atheism becomes a religion.
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Oct 14, 2012
 
Doctor Who Two wrote:
From: The Columbus Dispatch:
February 4, 2011
Church, without God
“Stan Bradley likes Bible stories, admires Martin Luther and uses expressions such as 'heavens, no.'
The Lithopolis man is president of a local congregation and rarely misses a Sunday service. Occasionally, he goes to his wife's church instead.
For these and other reasons, Bradley considers himself religious.”
He is also an atheist.
continued:
“Like Bradley, some atheists participate in organized religion for its social and psychological benefits.”
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“Churches are great places to find friends, support and youth education, so nonbelievers and believers alike join congregations to fill those needs, he said.
He has spoken to elderly and sick people who can no longer go to church and they say they most miss the feeling of community.
Recent research from Harvard University and the University of Wisconsin backs him up. It found that religious people tend to be happier than nonreligious people, not because of belief but because of the friendships found at church.”
http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/faith...
“religious people tend to be happier than nonreligious people”[I have said this all along, and my posts are still on the board to confirm it. Now you hear it straight from the atheist, lol.]
You're not really good at reading your own sources, are you?

In the latter source the research uncovered that sick and elderly people miss -the community- that going to church provides. Not the worship, not the religion, but the act of conversing with other people.

This may be a shock to you, but we atheists have our own social circles too.

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Oct 14, 2012
 
Fact: All these points have been laughed at for their dishonesty, and lack of credibility, not to mention their complete lack of logic. In addition, as far as I am aware, there is only one dictionary that uses the stated definition, while all others state that atheism is a lack of belief. The sock puppet Dr who two is well aware of this, but dishonestly charges on.

A dishonest theist? Why yes, he is rather typical of the theists on Topix.

Fact: Until you prove your assertion that god exists, he is simply a fairy tale.

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Doctor Who Two wrote:
Facts: Atheist consist of 2.3% of the world population
Fact: Atheist Definition:
athe·ist\ˈā-thē-ist\
noun
: one who believes that there is no deity
Fact: Most Atheist leave the faith
Fact: The United States was not founded on atheism.
Fact: Atheism is a Religion
Fact: science is corrupt
"Facts: Atheist consist of 2.3% of the world population"
That is only an estimate. The source you get that from admits that, but of course you are too dishonest to post that.
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"Fact: Atheist Definition:
athe·ist\ˈā-thē-ist\
noun
: one who believes that there is no deity"

Although this is taken from a single source that is at odds with all other authorities on the matter, even if accepted, the fact that there is no real evidence that god is anything more than a myth would indicate that there is no god.
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"Fact: Most Atheist leave the faith"

Since atheism is not a "faith" your statement is dismissed.
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"Fact: The United States was not founded on atheism."

No one says it was founded on atheism. The US was founded as a secular nation.
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"Fact: Atheism is a Religion"

This is simply incorrect. According to your own source, it is not defined as a religion. Merriam Websters DOES define things like christianity, Buddism, Islam, etc.. as religions. If atheism were a religion, it would be defined as such by the same source you used above.
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"Fact: science is corrupt"

Again, you are being either ignorant, or dishonest. Science cannot be corrupt. It is a title. Although some scientists may be corrupt, they do not represent "science". This would be like me pointing out various priests, ministers, etc doing bad things and saying "Christianity is bad".

Really, if this is the best you've got, you are fighting a losing battle. If you want to discredit atheism, just prove that god is real. Of couse you can't, so you try to redirect by attacking atheism. It's not working. It is very funny though.
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<quoted text>Yeah, because infants and children are more than capable of making sound philosophical decisions right from birth.

The point of that phrase is that people are born with no concept of God and are subsequently brought into religion by other people. People, not deities.

That you actually think this phrases means that children are well aware of atheism from their early years is either silly or dishonest. I think you are smarter than you are letting yourself on to be, so I am opting for the second.
He's just quoting what atheist claim.
They really believe that. Go ahead and google it.
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<quoted text>You're not really good at reading your own sources, are you?

In the latter source the research uncovered that sick and elderly people miss -the community- that going to church provides. Not the worship, not the religion, but the act of conversing with other people.

This may be a shock to you, but we atheists have our own social circles too.
It is an atheist church, what you do for your religion practice is your business.

If atheist have a church which they do then one could easily conclude that they are a religious group.
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Fact: All these points have been laughed at for their dishonesty, and lack of credibility, not to mention their complete lack of logic. In addition, as far as I am aware, there is only one dictionary that uses the stated definition, while all others state that atheism is a lack of belief. The sock puppet Dr who two is well aware of this, but dishonestly charges on.

A dishonest theist? Why yes, he is rather typical of the theists on Topix.

Fact: Until you prove your assertion that god exists, he is simply a fairy tale.
Snake boy!

Nice to see you!
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The serpent was right wrote:
<quoted text>"Facts: Atheist consist of 2.3% of the world population"
That is only an estimate. The source you get that from admits that, but of course you are too dishonest to post that.
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"Fact: Atheist Definition:
athe·ist\ˈā-thē-is t\
noun
: one who believes that there is no deity"

Although this is taken from a single source that is at odds with all other authorities on the matter, even if accepted, the fact that there is no real evidence that god is anything more than a myth would indicate that there is no god.
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"Fact: Most Atheist leave the faith"

Since atheism is not a "faith" your statement is dismissed.
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"Fact: The United States was not founded on atheism."

No one says it was founded on atheism. The US was founded as a secular nation.
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"Fact: Atheism is a Religion"

This is simply incorrect. According to your own source, it is not defined as a religion. Merriam Websters DOES define things like christianity, Buddism, Islam, etc.. as religions. If atheism were a religion, it would be defined as such by the same source you used above.
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"Fact: science is corrupt"

Again, you are being either ignorant, or dishonest. Science cannot be corrupt. It is a title. Although some scientists may be corrupt, they do not represent "science". This would be like me pointing out various priests, ministers, etc doing bad things and saying "Christianity is bad".

Really, if this is the best you've got, you are fighting a losing battle. If you want to discredit atheism, just prove that god is real. Of couse you can't, so you try to redirect by attacking atheism. It's not working. It is very funny though.
LOL!
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Study: Atheists Have Lowest 'Retention Rate' Compared to Religious Groups

Only about 30 percent of those who grow up in an atheist household remain atheists as adults. This "retention rate" was the lowest among the 20 separate categories in the study.

There were 1,387 atheists (weighted) in the survey. Four-hundred thirty-two weighted respondents said they were raised atheist. Of those, 131 self-identified as atheist.

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Gray also noted that, "of those raised as atheists, 30% are now affiliated with a Protestant denomination, 10% are Catholic, 2% are Jewish, 1% are Mormon, and 1% are Pagan."

Jehovah's Witness, congregationalist and holiness churches had the next lowest retention rates at 37 percent, 37 percent and 32 percent, respectively. Thirty-eight percent of those who grew up with no particular religious faith or belief system remained that way.

Hindus had the highest retention rate at 84 percent, followed by Jews (76 percent), Muslims (76 percent), Greek Orthodox (73 percent), Mormons (70 percent) and Catholics (68 percent).

Baptists had the highest retention rate of the Protestant Christian categories at 60 percent, followed by Lutheran (59 percent) and Pentecostal (50 percent).
http://www.christianpost.com/news/study-athei...

[Right; NO thinking people don't want to be atheists.]

From: Deseret News / Salt Lake City, UT

July, 2012

“Atheists abandon their beliefs more often than people in other religious groups, study finds”

A new study has found that people raised in an atheist home abandon those beliefs as adults more often than people raised with other religious belief systems, putting atheism at a 30 percent retention rate. Conclusions and interpretations of the study are that atheists are more often "made" as adults rather than "raised." The highest retention rates are in the Hindu faith, which holds onto about 84 percent of adherents.

Those who grow up in an atheist household are least likely to maintain their beliefs about religion as adults, according to a study by Georgetown University's Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate (CARA).

Only about 30 percent of those who grow up in an atheist household remain atheists as adults. This "retention rate" was the lowest among the 20 separate categories in the study.

There were 1,387 atheists (weighted) in the survey. Four-hundred thirty-two weighted respondents said they were raised atheist. Of those, 131 self-identified as atheist.
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/765589392/...

[Who would want to be an atheist? LOL]

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What is a fact? One has to know before assessing whether any statement is, in fact, a fact. I was pretty sure I did know, but before writing, I thought it might be a good idea to read the Wikipedia article on the word.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fact

As many such articles do, this one begins with the word's etymology. Derived from the verb that means to make or do, the original meaning or the word, no obsolete, was a thing done or performed--a deed or an accomplishment. The the original meaning is obsolete confirms my previous assertions that determining a word's current meaning from its origins, while interesting, is often unreliable.

Be that as it may, the word's current meaning is, according to the article, "something that has really occurred or is actually the case. The usual test for a statement of fact is verifiability, that is whether it can be proven to correspond to experience. Standard reference works are often used to check facts. Scientific facts are verified by repeatable experiments."

None of the "facts" posted in the first post of this thread appear to meet either of those tests. They appear to be stated opinions erroneously labeled as facts by someone who hasn't a clue what the word means.
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Oct 15, 2012
 
KJV wrote:
Study: Atheists Have Lowest 'Retention Rate' Compared to Religious Groups
Only about 30 percent of those who grow up in an atheist household remain atheists as adults. This "retention rate" was the lowest among the 20 separate categories in the study....
If this is true, religionists might appear to have nothing to worry about
:-)

Some English stats..
http://www.churchsociety.org/issues_new/churc...
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KJV wrote:
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He's just quoting what atheist claim.
They really believe that. Go ahead and google it.
While completely missing the point.

Atheists do not claim that children are well-read, philosophically switched-on to the God debate. It is a simple statement that everyone is born an atheist considering nobody is born with a belief in God; that comes from interactions with other people and within their social circles.

The OP, on the other hand, has twisted its meaning. For his interpretation to have a hint of sanity, it would require that children and babies have made the conscious decision to become atheists, then leave.

Dishonest.
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It is an atheist church, what you do for your religion practice is your business.
If atheist have a church which they do then one could easily conclude that they are a religious group.
All those studies show is people are happier when they are socialising with others contrary to being cut off from their social circles. Being religious or atheist makes no difference other than giving you an avenue to meet like-minded people.
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KJV wrote:
Study:
Well, gee, when your two sources are both Christian websites that -sure- sounds reliable to me.

By the way: when you are setting up sock puppets to make your arguments look like they have any kind of support, at least try to change the way your characters type their posts.
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Oct 15, 2012
 
Regardless if your a Christian or atheist there is still nothing to prove a god does or doesn't exist. Just books that claim it. Why tell people to have faith instead prove it.

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Theists can be so pathetic. Even after they lose the definition war on atheism, they continue lying about what atheism is, claiming its a religion...

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