Liberalism, atheism linked to IQ

Liberalism, atheism linked to IQ

There are 1044 comments on the CNN story from Feb 26, 2010, titled Liberalism, atheism linked to IQ. In it, CNN reports that:

Political, religious and sexual behaviors may be reflections of intelligence, a new study finds.

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nina

Canada

#1 Feb 27, 2010
interesting that being a liberal atheist makes men more sexually monogamous

but not so much for women.....
nina

Canada

#3 Feb 27, 2010
sorcery wrote:
... and ''rapture''.
so, is that that the conspiracy crazies like the heat in Florida

or does the heat make you crazy?

“Now do whats right!”

Since: Jan 09

Doolittle, Mo.

#4 Feb 27, 2010
Some say, "common sence is preferable to a high IQ. I say, "hopefully a high IQ enhances common sense."

“No Bishop,No King,No Nobility”

Since: May 08

The Underworld

#5 Feb 27, 2010
CB can see both sides wrote:
Some say, "common sence is preferable to a high IQ. I say, "hopefully a high IQ enhances common sense."
Anyone who just says the former can't define common sense.

It's not common, and it's not a sense. It's two things, both of which seem to require a modicum of intelligence: observation and making use of observations.

“Just my opinion”

Since: Jul 08

Location hidden

#6 Feb 28, 2010
sorcery wrote:
Jewish is a fine religion that has been hijacked and perverted by the racist theocrats that claim to be god's chosen people ........ Hitler claimed to be the leader of a master race ....... Bruce Seiden , David Horowitz , David Berkowitz , moshe mombach , avigdor spechler and THE SON's OF SAM and SidKorshak , meyer lansky , Roy Raphan , Ankle Raphan , avi dichter and Vin Weber of the AIPAC Kosher Nostra use the money from MADOFF , Marc Dreier , art nadel and other judeo - fascists and manipulate corrupt USA politicos to create perpetual war and ''rapture''.
Hitler a jew??? Really lmao. After making a ridiculous comment like that, its only downhill from there. You obviously have failed in life and blame jews. I have seen your type come and go. Your act is old and you are a coward. You are so bold with your blatant anti-semitism, but you will never show your face. So typical. Instead of blaming Jews for failing in life, might I suggest looking in the mirror and owning it yourself. By the way, it is folks like yourself that just reinforce my atheism and thank you for that lol.

Of course atheists are smarter. Logic wins over emotion everytime.

Since: Sep 08

Neon City Oh.

#7 Feb 28, 2010
Just read what the wingnuts and fundis post on Topix.
The story makes perfect sense.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#8 Feb 28, 2010
nina wrote:
interesting that being a liberal atheist makes men more sexually monogamous
but not so much for women.....
Well, women always were more practical-minded than sentimental men.

:D
nina

Canada

#9 Feb 28, 2010
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Well, women always were more practical-minded than sentimental men.
:D
I recall reading an article a loooooong time ago in Ms Magazine

Called something like Smart Girls Do

and it was about how the women in early human days who were willing to have indiscriminate sex would be more likely fed and protected by the men at the time

and that women through the ages have been able to determine the male you breed with for healthy babies and the men you stay with for economic security

which basically means that the more sexual women were the ones who did most of the breeding

so, you have to really wonder about the number that the various religions have done on our heads that women are so restrained now

I guess despite now understanding what makes babies and the ability to test for parentage - perhaps the motivation behind the control of women is the primal fear of men not really knowing who's child they are putting resources into.....

and why men - and interestingly more religious and dumber men - are more likely to cheat - as if to pull it over another man to raise their child.....
redneck

United States

#10 Feb 28, 2010
Someone said " atheism is the eventual destination of those who think."

“Now do whats right!”

Since: Jan 09

Doolittle, Mo.

#11 Feb 28, 2010
redneck wrote:
Someone said " atheism is the eventual destination of those who think."
That is a positive remark isn't it, with your name I just wasn't sure?
Epicurus

Winter Park, FL

#13 Mar 2, 2010
CB can see both sides wrote:
<quoted text>That is a positive remark isn't it, with your name I just wasn't sure?
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Story...

MOST SCIENTISTS ARE NON-BELIEVERS

That's one of the findings in a huge study of leading scientists at the 21 top-rated research universities in the United States.
And there's more:

Almost 52 percent of the 1,646 scientists who participated in the study have no current religious affiliation compared with only 14 percent of the general population.

More than 31 percent said they do not believe in God, and another 31 percent said they do not know if there is a God and there is no way to find out -- a whopping 62 percent of those surveyed.

More than 56 percent did not attend a religious service during the entire year preceding the survey.

Only 9.7 percent said they have "no doubts about God's existence."
simba

UK

#14 Mar 2, 2010
Something that has to be watched for in Atheism is the way people think using their "logic" and generally train their minds to think and behave in patterns that are, in the end, no more than automatic.
Pat

North Granby, CT

#15 Mar 2, 2010
Epicurus wrote:
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http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Story...

Only 9.7 percent said they have "no doubts about God's existence."
That's scary to think that 10 percent of the scientists are not qualified to call themselves scientists.
Charlie

Papeete, French Polynesia

#16 Mar 2, 2010
Epicurus wrote:
<quoted text>
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Story...
MOST SCIENTISTS ARE NON-BELIEVERS
That's one of the findings in a huge study of leading scientists at the 21 top-rated research universities in the United States.
And there's more:
Almost 52 percent of the 1,646 scientists who participated in the study have no current religious affiliation compared with only 14 percent of the general population.
More than 31 percent said they do not believe in God, and another 31 percent said they do not know if there is a God and there is no way to find out -- a whopping 62 percent of those surveyed.
More than 56 percent did not attend a religious service during the entire year preceding the survey.
Only 9.7 percent said they have "no doubts about God's existence."
Scientists don't believe in God? That's odd, because 99.9 % of pastors and priests do believe in God. So what could possibly account for the discrepancies among these professions?

The lack of religious belief among scientists is probably not due to scientists knowing something that lay people do not, but rather to the occupational hazards inherent in their profession. That is, scientists are trained to think in a certain way, in a sense, donning intellectual blinders that prevent them from thinking outside of the box to which they've restricted themselves.This training naturally carries over into other areas of their lives.

One sees the occupational hazards on the intellect in many professionals. Lawyers are particularly hard to talk to, and a policeman never believes anything anyone says. He only lets you go because there is just not enough evidence against you even though deep down he knows you are guilty of something.

So scientists don't believe in God. So what? What's the point.
Pat

North Granby, CT

#17 Mar 2, 2010
The point is that rational thinkers like scientists reject unsupported beliefs and honest people put a question mark after a question, not the word god.
Epicurus

Winter Park, FL

#18 Mar 3, 2010
Charlie wrote:
<quoted text>
So scientists don't believe in God. So what? What's the point.
Charlie uses the lame old excuse of the ages:“I believe it. I can see the grandeur of God all around me. You’re all deluded.” Such is the lot of the hopelessly cemented human to religion. They would send their children to die in a war over religion (like the WAR ON TERRORISM) to defend their religion and its “good book” and most of them haven’t the foggiest notion of what the book actually says. It’s a vile, misogynistic, racist, sexist, homophobic book that contains so many contradictions that a rookie book editor would get fired for allowing it to go to printing.

Science is expanding, and with it our vision of the universe. although this new and constantly changing view may not always give us comfort, it does have the virtue of truth according to our most effective resources for acquiring knowledge. No philosophy, moral outlook, or religion can be inconsistent with the findings of science and hope to endure among educated people.

Science attempts to apply some of the following criteria:
1) Skepticism of unsupported claims
2) Combination of an open mind with critical thinking
3) Attempts to repeat experimental results.
4) Requires testability
5) Seeks out falsifying data that would disprove a hypothesis
6) Uses descriptive language
7) Performs controlled experiments
8) Self-correcting
9) Relies on evidence and reason
10) Makes no claim for absolute or certain knowledge
11) Produces useful knowledge

Pseudoscience and religion relies on some of the following criteria:
1) Has a negative attitude to skepticism
2) Does not require critical thinking
3) Does not require experimental repeatability
4) Does not require tests
5) Does not accept falsifying data that would disprove a hypothesis
6) Uses vague language
7) Relies on anecdotal evidence
8) No self-correction
9) Relies on belief and faith
10) Makes absolute claims
11) Produces no useful knowledge
Charlie

Papeete, French Polynesia

#19 Mar 3, 2010
Pat wrote:
The point is that rational thinkers like scientists reject unsupported beliefs and honest people put a question mark after a question, not the word god.
And this is some sort of astounding revelation? That scientists are rational thinkers? One would hope so, just for deontological reasons, that scientists are rational thinkers and suspend judgment where it concerns unsupported claims.

You should notice that, unlike atheists who reject outright unsupported claims, true scientists only suspend judgment about them. That's the difference between scientists and atheists.

And sorry for my oversight about punctuation, though the question mark after God was intentional as it was framed as an interrogation.
Charlie

Papeete, French Polynesia

#20 Mar 3, 2010
Epicurus wrote:
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Charlie uses the lame old excuse of the ages:“I believe it. I can see the grandeur of God all around me. You’re all deluded.” Such is the lot of the hopelessly cemented human to religion. They would send their children to die in a war over religion (like the WAR ON TERRORISM) to defend their religion and its “good book” and most of them haven’t the foggiest notion of what the book actually says. It’s a vile, misogynistic, racist, sexist, homophobic book that contains so many contradictions that a rookie book editor would get fired for allowing it to go to printing.
Science is expanding, and with it our vision of the universe. although this new and constantly changing view may not always give us comfort, it does have the virtue of truth according to our most effective resources for acquiring knowledge. No philosophy, moral outlook, or religion can be inconsistent with the findings of science and hope to endure among educated people.
Science attempts to apply some of the following criteria:
1) Skepticism of unsupported claims
2) Combination of an open mind with critical thinking
3) Attempts to repeat experimental results.
4) Requires testability
5) Seeks out falsifying data that would disprove a hypothesis
6) Uses descriptive language
7) Performs controlled experiments
8) Self-correcting
9) Relies on evidence and reason
10) Makes no claim for absolute or certain knowledge
11) Produces useful knowledge
Pseudoscience and religion relies on some of the following criteria:
1) Has a negative attitude to skepticism
2) Does not require critical thinking
3) Does not require experimental repeatability
4) Does not require tests
5) Does not accept falsifying data that would disprove a hypothesis
6) Uses vague language
7) Relies on anecdotal evidence
8) No self-correction
9) Relies on belief and faith
10) Makes absolute claims
11) Produces no useful knowledge
That's quite a paean to science. Do you think you can make it rhyme a bit more, however?
The serpent was right

Cedarhurst, NY

#21 Mar 3, 2010
Charlie wrote:
<quoted text>
Scientists don't believe in God? That's odd, because 99.9 % of pastors and priests do believe in God. So what could possibly account for the discrepancies among these professions?
The lack of religious belief among scientists is probably not due to scientists knowing something that lay people do not, but rather to the occupational hazards inherent in their profession. That is, scientists are trained to think in a certain way, in a sense, donning intellectual blinders that prevent them from thinking outside of the box to which they've restricted themselves.This training naturally carries over into other areas of their lives.
One sees the occupational hazards on the intellect in many professionals. Lawyers are particularly hard to talk to, and a policeman never believes anything anyone says. He only lets you go because there is just not enough evidence against you even though deep down he knows you are guilty of something.
So scientists don't believe in God. So what? What's the point.
Most scientists don't believe in god because they are trained to examine things in a concise, logical maner, and they only acknowledge what they can prove. Those scientists that do believe in god are probably still suffering from the brainwshing they recieved from birth.

The point is self-evident. Logical thinking will generally lead one away from mythology.
Epicurus

Winter Park, FL

#22 Mar 3, 2010
Charlie wrote:
<quoted text>
That's quite a paean to science. Do you think you can make it rhyme a bit more, however?
Science is inquiry. Religion is presupposition. Reasoning people do not accept religious dogma without evidence. We may never know all the answers, but science has solved a great deal of the most important questions. Religion has an answer for everything, but solutions to nothing.

Every fact is an enemy of the church. Every fact is a heretic. Every demonstration is an infidel. Everything that ever really happened testifies against the supernatural.

It is said that science will dehumanize people and turn them into numbers. That is false, tragically false. Look for yourself. This is the concentration camp and crematorium at Auschwitz. This is where people were turned into numbers. Into this pond were flushed the ashes of some four million people. And that was not done by gas. It was done by arrogance. It was done by dogma. It was done by ignorance. When people believe that they have absolute knowledge, with no test in reality, this is how they behave. This is what men do when they aspire to the knowledge of gods.

Sorry Charlie... I would rather have a mind opened by wonder than one closed by belief.

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