Debating the God question

Sep 29, 2013 Full story: The Gleaner 83

Ian Boyne I am happy to see more Jamaicans debating the issue of whether God really exists and the matter of science versus religion - or whether the two are compatible.

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Amused

Lowell, MA

#21 Oct 10, 2013
roseinthorn__ wrote:
Everything can be simplified since one thing is certain. We will all go into a box 6 feet underground, or most of us, anyway. I can do 2 things: 1)HOPE that He is not there; or 2)TRUST that He will be. Only those two options. The second is positive, and seems like a good deal for a louse like me. I prefer it. Why go further? Nothing can be proven either way-God or no God.....
You've posted this exact post in a number of different threads, with varying degrees of relevance to the thread topic. Is this really the only thought you've ever had? The thing that makes it even sadder is that this one thought that you are so proud of actually thinking is, in fact, a thought that was quite old before you were even a gleam in your daddy's eye. Your prize possession thought is just a warmed over, inelegantly stated version of Pascal's Wager. The difference between you and the brilliant mathematician? He knew the Wager was just a joke.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#22 Oct 10, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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Lying about your cult to defend it is a stupid thing to do. We see it everyday in mentally I'll brainwashed creationists like yourself,
I am not a Christian which is a theology based on lies. The God of Israel does not need to lie, the Truth is strange enough. God is purposed that her mouth will not transgress. This includes profanity and lying. The word of the Lord is pure.

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#23 Oct 10, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>I am not a Christian which is a theology based on lies. The God of Israel does not need to lie, the Truth is strange enough. God is purposed that her mouth will not transgress. This includes profanity and lying. The word of the Lord is pure.
When you can prove the god your cult sent you here to lie to atehsits about, you won't look like an ignorant idiot any longer.
jhnsn d-s

Spokane, WA

#24 Oct 10, 2013
Lelouch0 wrote:
An interesting article, no doubt about that. But again, there is that irritating superiority complex some theists seem to possess; that we atheists are all arrogant people. Dawkins is definitely arrogant, I'll agree there. But Hitchens? Heck no, Hitchens was a brilliant man with brilliant points on the world.
Do we atheists have a building that we gather in to worship all the time? Do we gamble off people's money in bingo tournaments? Do we have our own private schools because we feel our children shouldn't be exposed to public school? Do we shove our beliefs down people's throats?
The answer to all of these questions is a big no. Mostly, it's theists who do most of the grandstanding, not the atheists. The celebrity atheists are courageous enough to come out in the open. It is still difficult for many of us atheists and agnostics to come out in public for fear of how our religious friends, neighbors, and relatives may treat us.
My attempts at coming out have sometimes been less than stellar. I've had to end a relationship with a few friends because they couldn't tolerate me being non-religious. I was at the time, thinking over how silly that was; what the heck, why can't they just put up with my beliefs the way I put up with theirs?
I was called a weirdo once because I didn't believe in God. But I don't let it get me down. I just believe what I believe, which is in humans, in humanity, not in age-old myths that hold no relevance today, not in barbaric superstition.
If some of us wish to cling onto those old tales, then you are free to do so. However, do not make me believe in them. I am perfectly willing to let live and let live as long as believers do not antagonize me for not believing.
The guy in this article is a little silly, though-suggesting fairy tales can mingle with science.
Having an unbalanced view of one self can be repellent and have the opposite effect the writer intends. Take note of how this scripture deals with believers in this matter. Romans 12:3

The Christians are well known for this as well as other religious groups who claim divine favor over others yet honest Christian thinkers have made the observation they lack assurance from God of his favor. To translate this they have a one side imaginary relationship that’s unreciprocated by God. The realization they maybe living a lie can be scary because main stream priests have taught their disciples that its up to them to enter into a relationship with God which is furthest from the truth.

Being faced with a belief system were the person(s) do not believe they are a lower form of life can be challenging to understand. Wiki puts it in a nut shell that religion “requires beliefs that are not based on rational, scientific, or reasonable foundations”

Although the scriptures contain all the above its not just finding a place were it conveys some useful information but that’s specific to a person(s) for example in this way Thomas expressed his disbelief yeshua(Jesus) came back from the dead when he said,“Unless I see in his hands the print of the nails and stick may finger into the print of the nails and stick my hand into his side, I will certainly not believe.” John 20:25

Apparently,Thomas became irational with his evidence standard because he got left out but, if you look further in this text the writer indicates the reader has the ability to “believe”.

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#25 Oct 10, 2013
Amused wrote:
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By the very same logic, then, did your god create himself, or did he have parents, grandparents, etc.
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Oh, you don't know the answer to my question. Not surprising. It was expected. Atheists never have a logical answer to a logical question. But I have one for yours. My God did not create Himself because He had to exist to create Himself. Then He did not have to create Himself because He already existed and did not have to created Himself. See now what I mean? That's what I expected to hear from you but hey! What can one do when he does not have a mind to think logical?

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#26 Oct 11, 2013
Ben_Masada wrote:
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Oh, you don't know the answer to my question. Not surprising. It was expected. Atheists never have a logical answer to a logical question. But I have one for yours. My God did not create Himself because He had to exist to create Himself. Then He did not have to create Himself because He already existed and did not have to created Himself. See now what I mean? That's what I expected to hear from you but hey! What can one do when he does not have a mind to think logical?
When you can prove your god, you will look a lot less mentally ill to normal people.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#27 Oct 11, 2013
Ben_Masada wrote:
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Oh, you don't know the answer to my question. Not surprising. It was expected. Atheists never have a logical answer to a logical question. But I have one for yours. My God did not create Himself because He had to exist to create Himself. Then He did not have to create Himself because He already existed and did not have to created Himself. See now what I mean? That's what I expected to hear from you but hey! What can one do when he does not have a mind to think logical?
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Thinking

UK

#28 Oct 11, 2013
Most people don't believe in your god.
Why is that?
Ben_Masada wrote:
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Oh, you don't know the answer to my question. Not surprising. It was expected. Atheists never have a logical answer to a logical question. But I have one for yours. My God did not create Himself because He had to exist to create Himself. Then He did not have to create Himself because He already existed and did not have to created Himself. See now what I mean? That's what I expected to hear from you but hey! What can one do when he does not have a mind to think logical?

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#29 Oct 13, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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When you can prove your god, you will look a lot less mentally ill to normal people.
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Oh! Is that how you do when you cannot answer a question? There is no point in attacking the questioner when we don't know how to answer. Hostility is never a trend of normality.

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#31 Oct 14, 2013
Ben_Masada wrote:
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Oh! Is that how you do when you cannot answer a question? There is no point in attacking the questioner when we don't know how to answer. Hostility is never a trend of normality.
When you can prove your god using facts instead of religious lies, you will get some respect and not before.

Since god isn't real, you serve no purpose in this forum other than an advertisement for your failing cult based on no evidence & 100% lies.

Since you're a mentally ill cult follower, we don't expect you to change your ways and think logically or present any evidence to back up your ignorant stories.

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#32 Oct 14, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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When you can prove your god using facts instead of religious lies, you will get some respect and not before.
Since god isn't real, you serve no purpose in this forum other than an advertisement for your failing cult based on no evidence & 100% lies.
Since you're a mentally ill cult follower, we don't expect you to change your ways and think logically or present any evidence to back up your ignorant stories.
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Will there be any difference if I use facts? Either way you won't have an answer to my questions. I am going to try again although I know it is useless. There is no way to work with mentally sick atheists.

Here is my question and let's see if you can gather back some credibility for yourself: You yourself are a live proof for the existence of God. How? Did you create yourself or were you created by someone else who preceded you? If you go back in the chain of time you will eventually hit the Primal Creator Who was not created by any one or any thing, otherwise He wouldn't be Creator but creature.

In other words, did the universe cause itself to exist? Obviously not. Therefore, it was caused to exist by the Primal Cause. Answer my questions to prove about you how idiot an atheist can be.

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#33 Oct 14, 2013
Ben_Masada wrote:
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Will there be any difference if I use facts? Either way you won't have an answer to my questions. I am going to try again although I know it is useless. There is no way to work with mentally sick atheists.
Here is my question and let's see if you can gather back some credibility for yourself: You yourself are a live proof for the existence of God. How? Did you create yourself or were you created by someone else who preceded you? If you go back in the chain of time you will eventually hit the Primal Creator Who was not created by any one or any thing, otherwise He wouldn't be Creator but creature.
In other words, did the universe cause itself to exist? Obviously not. Therefore, it was caused to exist by the Primal Cause. Answer my questions to prove about you how idiot an atheist can be.
You don't have a single fact to back up the mental illness you suffer from you call a religion.

When you have discovered that lying through your teeth at atheists when you have NO evidence whatsoever is immoral, childish and wrong, you will finally get it.

Until then, you're a mentally ill liar who lies about god and religion and is not to be trusted.

When you grow a spine and decide to be an honest citizen of the planet, you will admit that you lied about god for your cult and didn't convert a single atheist here.

Your cult has failed and you need to grow up and admit there's no god and you made it all up because your ego is deluded by stupidity.

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#34 Oct 14, 2013
Ben_Masada wrote:
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Will there be any difference if I use facts? Either way you won't have an answer to my questions. I am going to try again although I know it is useless. There is no way to work with mentally sick atheists.
Here is my question and let's see if you can gather back some credibility for yourself: You yourself are a live proof for the existence of God. How? Did you create yourself or were you created by someone else who preceded you? If you go back in the chain of time you will eventually hit the Primal Creator Who was not created by any one or any thing, otherwise He wouldn't be Creator but creature.
In other words, did the universe cause itself to exist? Obviously not. Therefore, it was caused to exist by the Primal Cause. Answer my questions to prove about you how idiot an atheist can be.
The root of your stupidity is your cowardice when it comes to proving the god your cult sent you here to lie to us about.

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#35 Oct 14, 2013
Only an idiot would repeat their ignorant creationist rubbish in the age of science.
Jumper The Wise

Owensboro, KY

#36 Oct 14, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
Only an idiot would repeat their ignorant creationist rubbish in the age of science.
GOOD GRAVY!
I thought they put you in jail?

That's the story I heard on the grapevine.

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#37 Oct 14, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
Only an idiot would repeat their ignorant creationist rubbish in the age of science.
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And only a deranged mentally sick atheist believe in the BB as if it were a god.
Thinking

UK

#38 Oct 15, 2013
Why are you trying to equate your god with the Big Bang?
Are you saying your god is limited to creation?
Ben_Masada wrote:
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And only a deranged mentally sick atheist believe in the BB as if it were a god.

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Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#39 Oct 15, 2013
Ben_Masada wrote:
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And only a deranged mentally sick atheist believe in the BB as if it were a god.
Is that what you believe? How do you act towards a god? Do you bow to it, obey it, worship it, make sacrifice to it?

And we agree with you, that only a deranged mentally ill person would believe in the big bang theory, as if it were a god. And since you are the only one ever to suggest such inane crap, we should just see you as mentallly deranged. Ok, no problem. You are ill.
Cujo

Regina, Canada

#41 Oct 15, 2013
Carchar king wrote:
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God is eternal, dust isn't.
We know dust is real. We can physically taste, touch, smell, and see dust. Guess what we can't do with God? All of the above.
Cujo

Regina, Canada

#42 Oct 15, 2013
Ben_Masada wrote:
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Oh, you don't know the answer to my question. Not surprising. It was expected. Atheists never have a logical answer to a logical question. But I have one for yours. My God did not create Himself because He had to exist to create Himself. Then He did not have to create Himself because He already existed and did not have to created Himself. See now what I mean? That's what I expected to hear from you but hey! What can one do when he does not have a mind to think logical?
Not one bit of that was logical. If everything had to be be created, by a creator, then who created the creator? That's a logical statement. Everything that was created, needs a creator, except the creater is illogical.

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