Atheists such as Richard Dawkins want...

Atheists such as Richard Dawkins want bibles in schools

There are 109 comments on the Examiner.com story from May 24, 2012, titled Atheists such as Richard Dawkins want bibles in schools. In it, Examiner.com reports that:

Atheists do, in fact, want bibles in schools. Some have noted that atheists know more about the bible than the average Christian.

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“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#82 Jun 1, 2012
mike wrote:
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... If people are so good why do we need laws at all....
Because religulous people think all they have to do is pray to some mythical deity and they can do anything they want.

You pray for forgiveness on Sunday for the things you did on Saturday and will do again on Monday.

You don't get that humans are social by nature and find meaning in relationships and that working to benefit society maximizes individual happiness.
mike

Edwardsville, IL

#83 Jun 1, 2012
Hedonist wrote:
<quoted text>So then you can enlighten us all on the laws or morals that would not exist if not for your religion. Any laws or morals at all that you can clearly show originated with any of the Abrahamic religions would do.

I'll wait.

<cricket's chirping>
If the Bible is true then right and wrong are from God alone. Therefore this is my stance. If there is no God; there can be no absolute morality. Only opinions of morality could exist.
mike

Edwardsville, IL

#84 Jun 1, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>That is a defeatist attitude. In and of itself relatively harmless belief, but when you are fed a myth that promises "salvation" then you will become desperate to cling to it. It's a snare to the trap of the religious con.
This isn't a side theology of Christianty but a teaching of Jesus. For example, he said hating is murdering in the heart.
mike

Edwardsville, IL

#85 Jun 1, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>That's the trick of it then, we wouldn't have the laws if the majority of people were not inherently good, would we? It takes the majority to form a civilization, one person cannot do it alone.
once again absolute morality can only exist with God. Our society would only be moral because we say it is. If we said it wasn't; it wouldn't be.
mike

Edwardsville, IL

#86 Jun 1, 2012
Hedonist wrote:
<quoted text>Because religulous people think all they have to do is pray to some mythical deity and they can do anything they want.

You pray for forgiveness on Sunday for the things you did on Saturday and will do again on Monday.

You don't get that humans are social by nature and find meaning in relationships and that working to benefit society maximizes individual happiness.
Clearly you need to read Romans to understand at least what the Bible says on the issue.
mike

Edwardsville, IL

#87 Jun 1, 2012
Sorry guys to abandon the very good debate, but family calls. May be back Monday night. Thanks.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#88 Jun 1, 2012
mike wrote:
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Who defines what filth is?
We do. We who have read the buybull and have seen it for what it truly is.

We who, without doubt, know that a god who could force a parent to eat their child, is no god.

You want to tell me, how great is the thing that was beaten by an iron chariot?

Tell me how the thing that required golden hemorrhoids as a sacrifice, is among the almighty ones. LOL!

All combined, your god is possessed of every one of man's failings, bar none. There has never been a human, with less morality than the god of the bible had.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#89 Jun 1, 2012
mike wrote:
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You speak of good ethics but who determines which are good and bad?
I'll make it easy for you. If you are forced to eat your child, that is bad. If you are forced to stone your neighbor for wearing mixed fibers, that is bad.

If it benefits your community and/or family, and harms no one, it's good.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#90 Jun 1, 2012
mike wrote:
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once again absolute morality can only exist with God. Our society would only be moral because we say it is. If we said it wasn't; it wouldn't be.
Yes, just like the bible was written by a primitive society who's morals were completely at odds with our modern ethics.

“Sombrero Galaxy”

Since: Jan 10

I'm An Illegal Alien

#91 Jun 2, 2012
mike wrote:
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So to clarify, slavey is wrong because it makes someone into an object and no longer human. The laws here are not meant to give masters free reign over slaves as if they were nothing more than a shovel. The laws do recognize the fact that they are human and cannot be treated severely. On the issue of corporal punishment, we must realize that the Bible presents this as a form of discipline for children. For example we find in Proverbs that if you truly love your child you will discipline him with a rod. Clearly the intention here is out of love and not meant to be a severe beating. Slaves were apart of the family an were also subjugated to the same treatment. The Bible is not giving permission to mistreat people, but rather setting up restrictions to keep this from going down. As I mentioned before race was not an issue here. Any sojourner or Jew would be set free with pay when the year of jubilee came. The law of paying an setting fee did not apply to people who did not live in Israel. Under this I point out that the patriarchal system is not like our own and want to state this slavery was also not like our own. The slave code in the US was different by state but did make slaves into objects. They could be killed in Virginia without punishment to the master. This is very different than Biblical slavery. Also pointing out that we are all forced to do things we don't want to do. Yea you can leave your job but you face the consequences. I can't run around naked (to the disappointment of many) without going to jail for it. Doesn't master that it is my body. Political structures take away the rights of men everyday. Absolute freedom is an illusion. So we must accept there are degrees of it. This culture place that degree and a different point than our own. Either all authority is wrong or a level of forced behavior is acceptable. Who am I to say where that level begins or stops. This is a political and social argument and not a moral one. Mistreatment however would be considered immoral.
So are you saying we should bring black slavery so long as we don't beat them severely

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#92 Jun 2, 2012
mike wrote:
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This isn't a side theology of Christianty but a teaching of Jesus. For example, he said hating is murdering in the heart.
The bible says that all atheists are fools.

When will you take responsibility for your hateful prejudiced that is printed in black and white and distributed by your cult?

Are you honourable and decent enough to correct your religious texts when they are purposely hateful towards atheists?

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#93 Jun 2, 2012
mike wrote:
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If the Bible is true then right and wrong are from God alone. Therefore this is my stance. If there is no God; there can be no absolute morality. Only opinions of morality could exist.
Again, how is the commandment to kill witches an "absolute morality"?

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#94 Jun 2, 2012
mike wrote:
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If the Bible is true then right and wrong are from God alone. Therefore this is my stance. If there is no God; there can be no absolute morality. Only opinions of morality could exist.
And you did NOT address my question at all.

Let me reword it for you - Name one (1), just one morality precept that would not exist without your religion.
Amused

Lowell, MA

#95 Jun 2, 2012
Backbench wrote:
Poll numbers here
In U.S., 46% Hold Creationist View of Human Origins
http://www.gallup.com/poll/155003/Hold-Creati...
In terms of the implications for our place in an increasingly science and technology oriented world, this is deeply disturbing.

As evidence of the truth of creationism, this is not persuasive. Just a few hundred years ago, mankind nearly universally believed that the earth was flat and the sun orbited around the earth, which was fixed in place. The number of people who believe something is no proof that it is true.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#96 Jun 2, 2012
mike wrote:
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If the Bible is true then right and wrong are from God alone. Therefore this is my stance. If there is no God; there can be no absolute morality. Only opinions of morality could exist.
Do you follow all the commands in the OT?

“above all else guard the heart”

Since: May 12

United States

#97 Jun 2, 2012
Amused wrote:
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In terms of the implications for our place in an increasingly science and technology oriented world, this is deeply disturbing.
As evidence of the truth of creationism, this is not persuasive. Just a few hundred years ago, mankind nearly universally believed that the earth was flat and the sun orbited around the earth, which was fixed in place. The number of people who believe something is no proof that it is true.
You may get what you wish for though. With religious attendance down especially in the western world atheism looks like it will dominate scientific thinking. But like you said "The number of people who believe something is no proof that it is true".

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#98 Jun 3, 2012
Backbench wrote:
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You may get what you wish for though. With religious attendance down especially in the western world atheism looks like it will dominate scientific thinking. But like you said "The number of people who believe something is no proof that it is true".
Your comments ignore the reasons why people are believing what they believe:\

Atheists tend to follow science and evidence, while theists seem content will childish, hateful fairy tales and following and giving money to crazy people on pedestals claiming to be absolute moral authorities, in the name of belief.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#99 Jun 3, 2012
Backbench wrote:
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You may get what you wish for though. With religious attendance down especially in the western world atheism looks like it will dominate scientific thinking. But like you said "The number of people who believe something is no proof that it is true".
Interesting, but you failed in one key point. The number of people believing in something is not evidence of that concept, however, it is actually a non-effect really. Meaning:
1. If the majority believe the Earth is flat, it is still round.
2. If the majority believe the Earth is round, it is still round.
The only difference is that the majority becomes correct in on scenario, while in the other, they majority is wrong. The facts did not change at all.

“above all else guard the heart”

Since: May 12

United States

#100 Jun 4, 2012
"A perfect golden age is within grasp and brought closer because of secular ethics." a quote

European countries have experienced a decline in church membership and church attendance.[wikipedia]

In U.S., Increasing Number Have No Religious Identity:[gallup] Two important areas

Religious attendance and those who identify as Christian have been in a long term downtrend.
Those identifying as non religious or atheist have been in a long term uptrend. These trends are seen converging. With atheists becoming dominant, It will be interesting to see if they can do a better job of governing and problem solving than the religious half. When it comes to wars, racial, social and economic problems, It may be too easy for them to revert to darwinist ways.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#101 Jun 4, 2012
Backbench wrote:
"A perfect golden age is within grasp and brought closer because of secular ethics." a quote
European countries have experienced a decline in church membership and church attendance.[wikipedia]
In U.S., Increasing Number Have No Religious Identity:[gallup] Two important areas
Religious attendance and those who identify as Christian have been in a long term downtrend.
Those identifying as non religious or atheist have been in a long term uptrend. These trends are seen converging. With atheists becoming dominant, It will be interesting to see if they can do a better job of governing and problem solving than the religious half. When it comes to wars, racial, social and economic problems, It may be too easy for them to revert to darwinist ways.
That is a really fallacious final point. Care to elaborate on "darwinist ways?"

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