Atheists such as Richard Dawkins want bibles in schools

May 24, 2012 Full story: Examiner.com 109

Atheists do, in fact, want bibles in schools. Some have noted that atheists know more about the bible than the average Christian.

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“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#1 May 24, 2012
Read the bible, please, we need more atheists!

The irony is that it's working. The zealots have rarely read the book they claim to follow, and usually only stick to a small portion of it. As if they fear their own religious doctrine so much.
QUITTNER

Toronto, Canada

#2 May 25, 2012
12:32 pm, Friday, May 25, 2012:
RE: Atheists such as Richard Dawkins want bibles in schools
..... I am reminded that there used to be (maybe there still is?) a poster who quoted an atheist saying/writing that, as I remember it, he gave a bible to his daughter to make sure she, too, will be an atheist.
Ia havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#4 May 25, 2012
QUITTNER wrote:
12:32 pm, Friday, May 25, 2012:
RE: Atheists such as Richard Dawkins want bibles in schools
..... I am reminded that there used to be (maybe there still is?) a poster who quoted an atheist saying/writing that, as I remember it, he gave a bible to his daughter to make sure she, too, will be an atheist.
A Bible, and reading it carefully, and having a rational mind, and an ethical sense, and a kind heart - should make a person an atheist with regard to the Biblical God. I think many people do not realize that it is not always clear what is meant by the term atheist - since in our culture the Bible and its two religions are so dominant, or even now, the third related religion as well.
It is really silly to claim to know there is no god, since one has not even defined the term god and has not defined what it is to know. It is enough not to believe in the Biblical God, to start with. Then look at some other concepts of a god and think about them.

I do feel I know with a certain kind of knowledge (personal and moral) that there could not be a god that is:

allgood, allpowerful, allknowing

because of the problem of pain and suffering. I do not claim to have logical or intellectual proofs. I would like to have kind persons who are rational agree with me - but they do not need to provide what one often thinks of as proof or evidence. It would be more a report on their character, if they agree. As persons who are unhappy that there is suffering in the world, and would not make excuses for any Being intentionally causing it, if it had knowledge and power enough to not have it exist.

I suppose one could believe in a good god, that does not have much power. I would have more respect for that kind of being - if it existed - or for persons who believed in it, whether or not it existed. There is a wonderful line in the poem of Don Marquis - I think the poem is Young Lucifer:

"the god that is not god if it is not we."

that is what prompted me to set up a site called

we are mediocre gods.

I think humans fail to use our knowledge and power to do enough good and prevent harm when we should be able to do better.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#5 May 25, 2012
Gotta go with "Yes" on this. Put them in the schools.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Richmond, VA

#6 May 27, 2012
The enivitability of pain and suffering makes a lot of sense when we reaize that we are nothing more than vary intelligent animals, so intelligent that we can create things that we conceive of with our minds. But neither that intelligence nor that creativity change the basic reality of life as an animal. We are subject to injury, illness, death, and other misfortune as surely as other species are, sometimes as a result of that same intelligence and creativity. Our emotions are just as powerful as the more rational aspects of our intelligence (yes, I consider emotions to be part of it.) We try things that don't work, hurting ourselve and others, butmore often, we hurt each other just becase we are pissed off.

Really, a world without pain and suffereing would make no sense at all.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#7 May 27, 2012
NightSerf wrote:
The enivitability of pain and suffering makes a lot of sense when we reaize that we are nothing more than vary intelligent animals, so intelligent that we can create things that we conceive of with our minds. But neither that intelligence nor that creativity change the basic reality of life as an animal. We are subject to injury, illness, death, and other misfortune as surely as other species are, sometimes as a result of that same intelligence and creativity. Our emotions are just as powerful as the more rational aspects of our intelligence (yes, I consider emotions to be part of it.) We try things that don't work, hurting ourselve and others, butmore often, we hurt each other just becase we are pissed off.
Really, a world without pain and suffereing would make no sense at all.
Actually, I think the strongest realization is that it is better to be an evolved animal, than something some god created just so it can have something to hate. Think about that a moment. It's rather ironic.

“above all else guard the heart”

Since: May 12

Little Rock, AR

#8 May 28, 2012
Most widely available book in the world.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#9 May 28, 2012
Backbench wrote:
Most widely available book in the world.
Lamest appeal to popularity fallacy in the world.

“above all else guard the heart”

Since: May 12

Little Rock, AR

#10 May 28, 2012
? I thought you approved.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#11 May 28, 2012
Backbench wrote:
? I thought you approved.
The "the bible is the number one sold book" is a common fallacy used to claim that the religion is true.

“above all else guard the heart”

Since: May 12

Little Rock, AR

#12 May 28, 2012
What religion?

“above all else guard the heart”

Since: May 12

Little Rock, AR

#13 May 28, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>The "the bible is the number one sold book" is a common fallacy used to claim that the religion is true.
you could just say it's a true statement

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#14 May 28, 2012
Backbench wrote:
<quoted text>
you could just say it's a true statement
But the way you said it is the fallacy commonly used. I did not say you were wrong, just that that wording is the fallacy often stated. Since you didn't make the connection I can assume you have not been online long?

“above all else guard the heart”

Since: May 12

Little Rock, AR

#15 May 29, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
Read the bible, please, we need more atheists!
The irony is that it's working. The zealots have rarely read the book they claim to follow, and usually only stick to a small portion of it. As if they fear their own religious doctrine so much.
"Read the bible" I agree even in classrooms.
Amused

Lowell, MA

#16 May 29, 2012
Ronald Reagan said. A communist is someone who reads Marx and Lenin. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx and Lenin." By the same token, a christian is someone who reads the bible. An atheist is someone who understands the bible.

“above all else guard the heart”

Since: May 12

Little Rock, AR

#17 May 29, 2012
Amused wrote:
Ronald Reagan said. A communist is someone who reads Marx and Lenin. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx and Lenin." By the same token, a christian is someone who reads the bible. An atheist is someone who understands the bible.
So do you read it or understand it?

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#18 May 29, 2012
Actually, the best selling book of all times is "A Tale of Two Cities."

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#19 May 29, 2012
“It ain't those parts of the Bible that I can't understand that bother me--it's the parts that I do understand.”~ Mark Twain

“The inspiration of the bible depends on the ignorance of the person who reads it.”~ Robert G. Ingersoll

The total absence of humor from the Bible is one of the most singular things in all literature.~Alfred North Whitehead

No man ever believes that the Bible means what it says: He is always convinced that it says what he means.~George Bernard Shaw

“The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this”~ Albert Einstein

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#20 May 29, 2012
If it weren't for being made to read the entire bible, I would still be Christain. Every child should read it with no guidance from a spell chunker. He (spell caster/chunker/witch doctor) is smart enough to know that reading it all will reveal that there be no god. And in learning that the bible god, is not a god, those 10% er's tuck the wallet back in the pocket.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#21 May 30, 2012
Backbench wrote:
<quoted text>
"Read the bible" I agree even in classrooms.
Mythology class.

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