What atheists can't refute -

Religion has faced formidable foes in its history. But atheism hasn't generally been one of them - until today. Full Story
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Christopher

District Heights, MD

#1 Oct 28, 2007
Dinesh, you are not fooling anyone with your arrogant boasts.

Secondly, there is no reality "greater than, and beyond" which our senses and our minds can ever comprehend or apprehend.
That is one of the biggest lies in the world! We might not be able to comprehend some things with our knowledge right NOW, however we will be able to do that in the future as our knowledge increases.
We now know how the sun works, how the planets were created (through billions of years of a process called 'planetary formation'), and how humans were created (we evolved on this planet from the primordial soup of billions of years ago, through many stages).

It is simply time to realize that religion has NO REASON TO IT, it is a matter of 'faith' and FAITH DISTORTS REALITY! Period and done with, that is what it does.

It is time to REJECT religion until one of two things happens: someone actually returns from the dead after a number of days without human intervention, IN THIS DAY AND AGE WHERE WE CAN PHOTOGRAPH IT, or until your 'god' comes down here and proves that he is a 'perfect being'..... which he will NEVER be able to do, because perfect beings do not exist. Everyone is flawed on this planet, and if we are flawed, then our CREATOR (if there really was one, which there WASN'T) is also flawed, by simple logic.
mch

Baltimore, MD

#2 Oct 28, 2007
bull and double bull, this is another front by the religious right, with their illfated intelligent design theory. this article is nothing more then faith by another name. How can anyone grab a ruler or put math or science and gage faith. They (christians ) have said this is where we are and you ( science / reason ) are unable to reach us, so they hide here and say we are real truth. They believe in heaven and hell as well but are unable to prove its existence. the burden of proof is not on science / reason but we welcome the challenge if you as christians will provide the proof.
Hans Christian Brando

Los Angeles, CA

#3 Oct 28, 2007
"They can't prove God doesn't exist, and we're not obligated to prove God does exist." How convenient.
Jesus

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#4 Oct 28, 2007
Yes, do my bidding for me Dinesh. Good boy!
Lewis_N_Clark

Missoula, MT

#5 Oct 28, 2007
I would agree that reason alone cannot answer everything. But D'Souza seems to suggest that faith transcends reason in apprehending truth. Does it?
Isn't faith really an extension of our knowledge of this realm, projecting it into an ideal realm we wish DID exist?
Those ideals seem to be based on our limitations. We die, so we hope for everlasting life. We suffer, so we hope for eternal bliss. There is injustice, so we hope for heavenly retribution.
Perhaps the greatest contribution of philosophy would be to allow us to reconcile what is possible in the real world with our wishful thinking about a transcendent world.
Stuart

Edinburgh, UK

#6 Oct 28, 2007
The artical starts off "This view says we can find out more and more until eventually there is nothing more to discover".
Who said this exactly?

That science and reason can't answer everything is blindly obvious and no scientist worth his salt would make such a ridiculous claim.

It then goes onto say that the following:
"human knowledge is constrained not merely by the unlimited magnitude of reality but also by a limited sensory apparatus of perception"

Based on what? How does he know this?

Oh yeh, that's right, there's one set of rules for rational scientific theories
(i.e. demostrable evidence and results) which the thiests continuously try and debunk and poke holes in and always fail.

and a different set of rules for Kant's and other thiests' assertions
(i.e. no evidence or results required, we can make up any garbage we like and it's all true until the nasty rationalists can disprove it, only they can't because its not in "the reality we apprehend"). What a convenient cop out.

If it's not in the reality we apprehend then it's NOT REAL as it has no effect upon us, how can it have?

If it has an effect upon us then we must be able to apprehend it and therefore measure and analyse it and it therefore IS REAL.

You can't have it both ways.

Of course people like the article writer do want it both ways as it the only way they can make their pointless arguments stick.
are you sure

Catonsville, MD

#7 Oct 29, 2007
I've never seen a million dollars either, yet I'm sure it does exist.
Atheist in Baltimore

Baltimore, MD

#8 Oct 29, 2007
it is clear that not all theists experience or perceive their beliefs in one uniform way. Why do people make the assumption that all atheists have a sigular and uniform experience of non-belief?
Stuart

Edinburgh, UK

#9 Oct 29, 2007
are you sure wrote:
I've never seen a million dollars either, yet I'm sure it does exist.
Meaningless statement.

If you mean you haven't seen one million "one dollar bills" then I suspect niether have most millionaires. And what would be the point?

If you mean you haven't seen anything valued at or above one millions dollars then try looking in the nearest Real Estate Agent's office.
l d smith

Ellicott City, MD

#10 Oct 30, 2007
Stuart wrote:
<quoted text>
Meaningless statement.
If you mean you haven't seen one million "one dollar bills" then I suspect niether have most millionaires. And what would be the point?
If you mean you haven't seen anything valued at or above one millions dollars then try looking in the nearest Real Estate Agent's office.
Stuart,

Totally agree with you. It is amazing the inane arguments that 'people of faith' come up with to prove what they believe is right and anyone that disagrees with them is wrong. How about we all go about our lives, believe what we want and leave each other alone? Why can't that happen? Guess I'm not only 52 years old , but naive also.
The Light

Broomfield, CO

#11 Oct 30, 2007
l d smith wrote:
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Stuart,
Totally agree with you. It is amazing the inane arguments that 'people of faith' come up with to prove what they believe is right and anyone that disagrees with them is wrong. How about we all go about our lives, believe what we want and leave each other alone? Why can't that happen? Guess I'm not only 52 years old , but naive also.
Just let everyone believe what they want to and leave each other alone? So the 911 terrorists believed what they did was right and we should just leave all terroriststs alone? You might be naive if you think everyone can have their own truth and it doesn't matter. There is only one truth.
Barnaby

Newcastle Upon Tyne, UK

#12 Oct 30, 2007
i d smith that would be relly good.but nether will happen.
l d smith

Ellicott City, MD

#13 Oct 30, 2007
The Light wrote:
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Just let everyone believe what they want to and leave each other alone? So the 911 terrorists believed what they did was right and we should just leave all terroriststs alone? You might be naive if you think everyone can have their own truth and it doesn't matter. There is only one truth.
Yea, that is exactly what I meant. not.
If yoluwant to live in a state where our beliefs are forced upon eveyone, good for you. That is until the beliefs are not what you believe in.
Blindedmewithsci ence

Auburn Hills, MI

#14 Oct 30, 2007
Why- If I am wrong, do you feel the need to argue? Because you know -in your heart of hearts, that you are wrong- you are here for confimation...so sorry...
Seedless Grapes

United States

#15 Oct 30, 2007
What people think of as God might really be an energy system and a universal mind.

None of us can come close to understanding it.

It exists, but probably not as the image that religions use to describe or think of God.

It may behave like God.

Most people are out of touch with spiritual things in our culture. Look at all of the old paintings from Europe that show a ring of light over heads in the pictures. The artists could see these rings or nimbuses.

Holiness is real. Most men can find it by reading holy books on a regular basis. God forbid, eh?

The study of scripture gives one the desire to empart, the absence of which is the desire to receive, which is the source of corruption.

Later People
l d smith

Ellicott City, MD

#16 Oct 31, 2007
Blindedmewithscience wrote:
Why- If I am wrong, do you feel the need to argue? Because you know -in your heart of hearts, that you are wrong- you are here for confimation...so sorry...
Sorry, not quite sure who this was in response to. Could you please clarify? Thanks.
I am super serioth

United States

#17 Nov 1, 2007
Heya Dinesh, you are an idiot. Thanks for providing the proof in the above article.
Bruce

Malvern, PA

#18 Nov 1, 2007
This is one reason I never call myself and aetheist. Its not that I don't have an opinion about religion, but I don't have a conviction (admitting my limits). That being said, MY opinion is primarily influenced by Occam's Razor. And that suggests to me that while anything under the sun is possible, the major mythologies of the world are just that.
Richard

Huntsville, AL

#19 Nov 1, 2007
Propaganda.
Verne Baxter

Coarsegold, CA

#20 Nov 1, 2007
I know of few non-theists that would claim that the senses we are born with are sufficient to experience the totality of what makes up the universe. Knowledge of the silly little band lf light waves that we can 'see' is enough to let you know there is much more out there than meets the eye.

The mistake is plugging the products of man's imagination, lust for power and fears (religion) into the blank expanses of our knowledge. As knowledge expands, religion will diminish. Or so one hopes.

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