Christian Refuses to Drive Bus Advert...

Christian Refuses to Drive Bus Advertising Atheism

There are 90 comments on the atheism.about.com story from Jan 19, 2009, titled Christian Refuses to Drive Bus Advertising Atheism. In it, atheism.about.com reports that:

Apparently, the message that there is probably no God is just so horrible, so hateful, and so intolerant that it's just more than some Christians can stand - or at least it's more than Christian Ron Heather can stand...

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Since: Jul 08

perpetual arousal

#63 Jan 27, 2009
kickback wrote:
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That's funny you said that, some how politics, religion and incest could be related.
Well, I guess they are - all three topics are highly debated on this forum.

Since: Jan 09

Grand Rapids, MI

#64 Jan 27, 2009
patricialynn wrote:
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Well, I guess they are - all three topics are highly debated on this forum.
Boy that they are...LOL. I do enjoy discussing them with non emotional people who can be rational though.

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Since: Jul 08

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#65 Jan 27, 2009
Indy_Gary wrote:
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Boy that they are...LOL. I do enjoy discussing them with non emotional people who can be rational though.
I agree - debating loses interest for me when emotions spill over and contaminate everyone around them.

Give me logic and reason any day!
shadow

Montgomery, AL

#66 Jan 27, 2009
patricialynn wrote:
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I agree - debating loses interest for me when emotions spill over and contaminate everyone around them.
Give me logic and reason any day!
dont you know man? there IS NO evolution.... just a list of creatures chuck norris spared and allows to live. do not speak ill of him....
Cujo

Regina, Canada

#67 Jan 30, 2009
TirzhaZ wrote:
Most of you know I am a former christian, and I can kind of see where this bus driver is coming from. Many christians would believe that driving that bus is betrayal to God. Now, I don't believe in God anymore, but when I did I probably wouldn't have driven the bus either. There's a fear that maybe you're displeasing God and will be punished for it. Or perhaps you're being disrespectful. Christians believe that they will suffer through hardships, but this only makes them more worthy in God's eyes, so this guy is only doing what he deems necessary to please his God. So, I can see where he is coming from with his thought process. I'm not saying he's correct, but it's the same reason many people choose to vote for a leader based solely on religious affiliations.
This bus drivers reaction is exactly why they posted the advertizement in the 1st place. To show how offensive religious advertizing can be.

I guess the shoe doesn't quite fit for some.

Since: Dec 07

Stockton, CA

#68 Jan 30, 2009
TirzhaZ wrote:
Most of you know I am a former christian, and I can kind of see where this bus driver is coming from. Many christians would believe that driving that bus is betrayal to God. Now, I don't believe in God anymore, but when I did I probably wouldn't have driven the bus either. There's a fear that maybe you're displeasing God and will be punished for it. Or perhaps you're being disrespectful. Christians believe that they will suffer through hardships, but this only makes them more worthy in God's eyes, so this guy is only doing what he deems necessary to please his God. So, I can see where he is coming from with his thought process. I'm not saying he's correct, but it's the same reason many people choose to vote for a leader based solely on religious affiliations.
I can see the reasoning the man used by choosing not to drive the bus. That's fine,but,I don't think American christians suffer at all for being christian. I don't believe the bus driver in qestion literally suffered for his choice. It's alway christians... making people who don't believe in they way they do ,suffer in someway.

The Christians inability to be fair or reasonable with people who share differen't beliefs is one of the reaons I can't stand them.

If most christians truly did vote because religious affiliations.I do think Mccain would have won last election.

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Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#69 Jan 30, 2009
patricialynn wrote:
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Well, I guess they are - all three topics are highly debated on this forum.
Politics is like sex, it works best with 2 parties.

But religion is more like masturbation, it should be done in private.
Cujo

Regina, Canada

#70 Jan 30, 2009
Hedonist wrote:
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Politics is like sex, it works best with 2 parties.
But religion is more like masturbation, it should be done in private.
Nice anology. I also like the one that says there are only two types of people in this world. Masturbators and Liars.

“Love all, trust a few. -W.S.”

Since: Oct 08

Denver Metro

#71 Jan 30, 2009
Alpha Omega Game wrote:
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I can see the reasoning the man used by choosing not to drive the bus. That's fine,but,I don't think American christians suffer at all for being christian. I don't believe the bus driver in qestion literally suffered for his choice. It's alway christians... making people who don't believe in they way they do ,suffer in someway.
The Christians inability to be fair or reasonable with people who share differen't beliefs is one of the reaons I can't stand them.
If most christians truly did vote because religious affiliations.I do think Mccain would have won last election.
I'm sure this man viewed lost wages as a form of suffering. I certainly think those that are not Christian suffer more at the hands of Christians than the Christians themselves do. But, regardless of how rational or irrational they are, I know why they make the choices they make. Mostly I'm speaking of fundamentalists here. In my experience, more moderate Christians tend to be the more "live and let live" kind of crowd.

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Since: Mar 08

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#72 Jan 31, 2009
you know, despite my personal views on religion and how a lot of people take it too far (on all sides), i have to applaude this man for taking a stand for his beliefs. i didn't see anywhere that he blamed the company for his lost wages for the day. it seemed to me that he simply accepted the fact that the company had such an advertisement on the bus, and decided he wouldn't be a part of it.
do i think it foolish to not work because of some propaganda placed upon the vehicle? yes. but this man felt strongly enough that he didn't want to be associated with what he considered a blatant lie and blasphemy, and he had the courage to step out of line and refuse to drive.
how many people would actually do that, rather than just accept the ad and drive anyway, feeling shame and anger? i'd say probably not very many.
nina

Canada

#73 Jan 31, 2009
lordmagellan wrote:
you know, despite my personal views ...i'd say probably not very many.
true, most people do not stand up and get counted

but I have to wonder how many people would support a driver refusing to drive a public transit bus with ads from anti-abortion groups

if he had quietly said to his employer, I won't drive it and went home it would have meant more than the media attention he got for his stand

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#74 Jan 31, 2009
nina wrote:
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true, most people do not stand up and get counted
but I have to wonder how many people would support a driver refusing to drive a public transit bus with ads from anti-abortion groups
if he had quietly said to his employer, I won't drive it and went home it would have meant more than the media attention he got for his stand
oh i agree totally with the media attention comment. i don't know who contacted the media and caused the circus so i can't weigh in on that.
but i do applaud anyone with the cajones to stand up for their own beliefs, publicly or privately. being an outsider can be lonely, and being ostricised for not falling in line is about as far outside as one can get.
as the blogger pointed out, if the man had protested based on racism, he'd be condemned and fired. and again, while i'd whole-heartedly disagree with his views, i'd respect his courage in standing up and voicing them.
jimmy

UK

#75 Jan 31, 2009
scurti3 wrote:
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Faith and logic can and do go hand-in-hand. I encourage you to listen to and read from some of the Christian scholars of today and see how they go about their apologetic task... i.e. RC Sproul and John McArthur. You could also read some of Lee Strobel's books. They're very interesting and can help bolster your faith. Also, don't forget to stay in the scriptures... too many Christians today forget to read the very source and foundation of Christianity...the Bible itself. God bless!
Haha, you joker.
Pat

Granby, CT

#76 Jan 31, 2009
An intolerant christian? You have got to me kidding me!
jimmy

UK

#77 Jan 31, 2009
believers are arrogant people who want the world to bend to their way. when it doesn't go their way, they cite god as an absolute power and the reason why things should be their way.

It's the only way to keep the fantasy going.
Pat

Granby, CT

#78 Feb 1, 2009
jimmy wrote:
believers are arrogant people who want the world to bend to their way. when it doesn't go their way, they cite god as an absolute power and the reason why things should be their way.
It's the only way to keep the fantasy going.
Intollerance is a christian virtue you know.
flowery

UK

#79 Feb 1, 2009
Intolerance is a human virtue.
jimmy

UK

#80 Feb 1, 2009
Inability to answer a valid point without labelling it as "anti-Christian" or "intolerant" is a Christian virtue.

Get your virtues right :P

Since: Dec 07

Modesto, CA

#81 Feb 1, 2009
TirzhaZ wrote:
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I'm sure this man viewed lost wages as a form of suffering. I certainly think those that are not Christian suffer more at the hands of Christians than the Christians themselves do. But, regardless of how rational or irrational they are, I know why they make the choices they make. Mostly I'm speaking of fundamentalists here. In my experience, more moderate Christians tend to be the more "live and let live" kind of crowd.
You'd think that the man's choice not to drive the buss would have been more of a honor and celebration, than suffering.. He stood up for what he believed in...and I'm sure within his fundi circle he was a hero for a day. lol

I was a christian before as well... I still remember the word and my experience.
I know the christian logic all too well. Like you, I can see where they're coming from,but, at the same time it doesn't make them right or fair and I'm so happy I know that and my is mind open enough to think outside of the christian box.

I agree with you about the difference between moderate christians and the fundis..

But,the moderate christians to me come off like they have never read the whole bible or they seem to be seletive in the doctrines or bible verses they believe in. All in all, I think there are more Fundis,than watered down moderate christians..

Hope your weekend is going good. take care.
Skeptic

UK

#82 Feb 2, 2009
The driver should be fired for not doing his job which is to take people to work.

He doesn't have the right to walk away from his job.

There are thousands of people who would drive that bus and take his wage because they need it.

Just because he is mentally ill, doesn't mean he has a choice. That's his job.

If he wanted a job where he could have choice he would have but the damn bible down and studied hard to become a manager.

Of course because he's a christian bus driver he's thinks he's changing the world and driving salvation everywhere.

what a dick.

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