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Christian Refuses to Drive Bus Advertising Atheism

There are 90 comments on the atheism.about.com story from Jan 19, 2009, titled Christian Refuses to Drive Bus Advertising Atheism. In it, atheism.about.com reports that:

Apparently, the message that there is probably no God is just so horrible, so hateful, and so intolerant that it's just more than some Christians can stand - or at least it's more than Christian Ron Heather can stand...

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Since: Jan 09

Grand Rapids, MI

#23 Jan 22, 2009
patricialynn wrote:
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LOL - I have done a lot of studies, and the works of McArthur in particular I am familiar with. I used to read my Bible on a regular basis (my favorite passage happens to be the one most women hate the most...Proverbs 31:10-31). Right now, the main studying I am doing is to research the "contradictions" in the scriptures - and I do most of that work on-line.
Researching the "apparent" contradictions can be a worthwhile undertaking if done with an open and honest mind. However, many of the online sites that deal with it have a simple agenda of disprooving scripture and are VERY shallow in their assumptions and provide absolutely no credible research or biblical exegesis. It is tough to find truth from a place that has only one point of view.(BTW - I apply that same principle to what I study and learn from traditional church sources and don't take everything they say as truth either)
Aussie Observer

Adelaide, Australia

#24 Jan 22, 2009
I can recommend a book to help you in your "struggle". It's called "The God Delusion" by a guy named Richard Dawkins. Seriously, I know you want to believe that shit but anyone who has the ability to reason things out and think logically knows that the whole religious thing is a crock of shit. That doesn't make you a bad person, just a realist. Stop clinging to your fantasies about the old man in the sky answering prayers and working miracles etc. We all know deep down there is no such thing. Just embrace it and move on.

“safe, sane, consensual...”

Since: Jul 08

perpetual arousal

#25 Jan 22, 2009
madscot wrote:
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Ah! Paramedic eh? So he is very familiar with those type of moral conundrums. I went halfway through paramedic school before I figured out how much money they make. lol. Decided to stay in RT school. Good luck with the kiddoes. Good night
Yeah, I never realized how bad it pays...I never finished college, and the highest-paying job I have gotten paid only $1.50 less than what he makes now.

He has a new job lined up, though...the pay scale is better than the one he has currently.

I would like to go back to college, but funds are not available right now.

What is the pay range for a RT?

“safe, sane, consensual...”

Since: Jul 08

perpetual arousal

#26 Jan 22, 2009
Indy_Gary wrote:
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Researching the "apparent" contradictions can be a worthwhile undertaking if done with an open and honest mind. However, many of the online sites that deal with it have a simple agenda of disprooving scripture and are VERY shallow in their assumptions and provide absolutely no credible research or biblical exegesis. It is tough to find truth from a place that has only one point of view.(BTW - I apply that same principle to what I study and learn from traditional church sources and don't take everything they say as truth either)
Good point - I tend to take everything I read, from either point of view, with a grain of salt. After all, each group has it's own agenda, which does not necessarily agree with my own.

Like I said in my profile - I am both loving and hating the road trip of discovery!

Since: Jul 08

Claremont, NH

#27 Jan 22, 2009
Good to see you again, Patricialynn!

My essential question concerning religion is: if there really is a being powerful enough to design and create entire universes down to the last atom, why would this being care a whit about what I do? Doesn't God have better things to do?

I have no quarrel with believers, but God's pettiness has always bothered me.
patricialynn wrote:
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Good point - I tend to take everything I read, from either point of view, with a grain of salt. After all, each group has it's own agenda, which does not necessarily agree with my own.
Like I said in my profile - I am both loving and hating the road trip of discovery!
King Crimson

Sarasota, FL

#28 Jan 22, 2009
Dear god,
Save me from your christians!
nina

Ottawa, Canada

#29 Jan 22, 2009
Aussie Observer wrote:
I can recommend a book ...
there's many good books and dvds here

https://www.skeptic.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv...
nina

Ottawa, Canada

#30 Jan 22, 2009
Red Wood wrote:
Good to see you again, Patricialynn!
My essential question concerning religion is: if there really is a being powerful enough to design and create entire universes down to the last atom, why would this being care a whit about what I do? Doesn't God have better things to do?
I have no quarrel with believers, but God's pettiness has always bothered me.
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yes, a deity powerful enough to create the whole universe

but not manage to publicize itself throughout all cultures and throughout history on the planet

and totally obsessed with what people do with their genitals

“safe, sane, consensual...”

Since: Jul 08

perpetual arousal

#31 Jan 22, 2009
Red Wood wrote:
Good to see you again, Patricialynn!
My essential question concerning religion is: if there really is a being powerful enough to design and create entire universes down to the last atom, why would this being care a whit about what I do? Doesn't God have better things to do?
I have no quarrel with believers, but God's pettiness has always bothered me.
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It is a question that has always concerned me as well - why, when he has the whole world to run, would he be interested in a little old housewife in Illinois?

And I will be honest - even when I was going to church three times a week, and reading my Bible twice daily, there were a lot of things that bothered me concerning my religion. Like, we are to love all our neighbors, but we are supposed to hate and stone homosexuals?

I still have a lot of questions, and am not entirely certain I will find the answers on this side of the grave. But that doesn't stop me from looking!

“Love all, trust a few. -W.S.”

Since: Oct 08

Denver Metro

#32 Jan 24, 2009
Most of you know I am a former christian, and I can kind of see where this bus driver is coming from. Many christians would believe that driving that bus is betrayal to God. Now, I don't believe in God anymore, but when I did I probably wouldn't have driven the bus either. There's a fear that maybe you're displeasing God and will be punished for it. Or perhaps you're being disrespectful. Christians believe that they will suffer through hardships, but this only makes them more worthy in God's eyes, so this guy is only doing what he deems necessary to please his God. So, I can see where he is coming from with his thought process. I'm not saying he's correct, but it's the same reason many people choose to vote for a leader based solely on religious affiliations.

“Love all, trust a few. -W.S.”

Since: Oct 08

Denver Metro

#33 Jan 24, 2009
patricialynn wrote:
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It is a question that has always concerned me as well - why, when he has the whole world to run, would he be interested in a little old housewife in Illinois?
And I will be honest - even when I was going to church three times a week, and reading my Bible twice daily, there were a lot of things that bothered me concerning my religion. Like, we are to love all our neighbors, but we are supposed to hate and stone homosexuals?
I still have a lot of questions, and am not entirely certain I will find the answers on this side of the grave. But that doesn't stop me from looking!
Hi patricialynn. I don't believe we've "met" yet, so I don't know your background. But, let's suppose there really is a god out there watching over us (which I don't believe, but go with me on this one.) We can't believe the bible as the word of god. The new testament was written 70 years after "Jesus's death" and in that time the memory of the writer's was fogged, changed, exaggerated, etc. Even if the events in the bible happened in one way or another, the writers injected their own bias and fairy tales.

Besides the fact that homosexuality occurs in over 400 species of animals other than humans proving it's a natural occurance, there's also the little fact that if God is all-powerful it would take an instant to prove his existence to us all. Certainly he could think of a way to prove even to the non-believers and skeptics that he exists? And this whole "satan" thing always bothered me. God can create the universe, stars and all, but can't get rid of a pesky wayward angel? Come on.

When I read back over all of my lessons (yes, I'm the geek that took notes on everything in church) I wonder how I got through so long believing some of the nonsense. Things that seemed to prove the bible's truth to me then now I can see would be true whether the bible existed or not. Of course, if you ever question anything a good Christian will tell you, "Satan plants those seeds of doubt to steal away your salvation" or something equally "terrifying." Scare tactics and flimsy evidence. That is what christianity is built on.
yukonjak

Whitehorse, Canada

#34 Jan 24, 2009
The reality is...
that a universe that could grow to contemplate itself....kinda makes me wonder....hmmmmm

“safe, sane, consensual...”

Since: Jul 08

perpetual arousal

#35 Jan 24, 2009
TirzhaZ wrote:
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Hi patricialynn. I don't believe we've "met" yet, so I don't know your background. But, let's suppose there really is a god out there watching over us (which I don't believe, but go with me on this one.) We can't believe the bible as the word of god. The new testament was written 70 years after "Jesus's death" and in that time the memory of the writer's was fogged, changed, exaggerated, etc. Even if the events in the bible happened in one way or another, the writers injected their own bias and fairy tales.
Besides the fact that homosexuality occurs in over 400 species of animals other than humans proving it's a natural occurance, there's also the little fact that if God is all-powerful it would take an instant to prove his existence to us all. Certainly he could think of a way to prove even to the non-believers and skeptics that he exists? And this whole "satan" thing always bothered me. God can create the universe, stars and all, but can't get rid of a pesky wayward angel? Come on.
When I read back over all of my lessons (yes, I'm the geek that took notes on everything in church) I wonder how I got through so long believing some of the nonsense. Things that seemed to prove the bible's truth to me then now I can see would be true whether the bible existed or not. Of course, if you ever question anything a good Christian will tell you, "Satan plants those seeds of doubt to steal away your salvation" or something equally "terrifying." Scare tactics and flimsy evidence. That is what christianity is built on.
That is something that has always bothered and concerned me - the first book in the New Testament was written many decades after Jesus was crucified.
Now, the average life span was not nearly so long in those days - so who is to say that they were even written by the disciples themselves?

I have no doubt that Jesus did exist - there are too many other historical accounts of his ministry to believe otherwise. But was he the son of God? That one, sad to say, I am no longer sure of - which puts me at an awkward place, being between my faith (which is crumbling), and logic.

My boyfriend is an atheist, and a lot of his points against all religions make a lot of sense to me. A part of me misses the comfort and stability of the church - the rituals, the routine, the feeling of familiarity with the others there. But if I were to go back now, I don't think I would find it comforting at all - rather, I think I would feel a fraud.

Anyway - nice to meet you, and welcome to Human Sexuality!
Stuart

Gloucester, UK

#36 Jan 24, 2009
TirzhaZ wrote:
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And this whole "satan" thing always bothered me. God can create the universe, stars and all, but can't get rid of a pesky wayward angel? Come on.
Can't get rid of?

I thought God was supposedly the creator of everything including "satan".

God is also supposedly omnipotent. Should be able to do anything it wants should it not?

So lets get this right,
a perfect, all knowing, all powerful being created an entity called "satan" for which it:
1) failed to "know" how would behave even though it's "all knowing"
and
2) hasn't the "power" to get rid of even though it's "all powerful"

Perfect religious logic.

“Darwin died for your sins”

Since: Aug 08

Nunya

#37 Jan 24, 2009
patricialynn wrote:
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Yeah, I never realized how bad it pays...I never finished college, and the highest-paying job I have gotten paid only $1.50 less than what he makes now.
He has a new job lined up, though...the pay scale is better than the one he has currently.
I would like to go back to college, but funds are not available right now.
What is the pay range for a RT?
Starting out, about 16 an hour. Lots of travel opportunities though that pay about double that

“just past psychosis...”

Since: Dec 08

and rounding the bend

#38 Jan 24, 2009
madscot wrote:
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Ah! Paramedic eh? So he is very familiar with those type of moral conundrums. I went halfway through paramedic school before I figured out how much money they make. lol. Decided to stay in RT school. Good luck with the kiddoes. Good night
It may not pay much, but I find the work to be rewarding in it's own way. There aren't a lot of moral conundrums in emergency medicine. Everyone who wants to live has the right to live, some just shouldn't be allowed in public.

“just past psychosis...”

Since: Dec 08

and rounding the bend

#39 Jan 24, 2009
madscot wrote:
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Starting out, about 16 an hour. Lots of travel opportunities though that pay about double that
That is actually pretty close to the pay that paramedics make. The standard rate in country is between 14-15/hour. If I am willing to work in more "war ravaged" regions I can easily pull upwards of 30.

“Darwin died for your sins”

Since: Aug 08

Nunya

#40 Jan 24, 2009
patricialynn wrote:
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That is something that has always bothered and concerned me - the first book in the New Testament was written many decades after Jesus was crucified.
Now, the average life span was not nearly so long in those days - so who is to say that they were even written by the disciples themselves?
I have no doubt that Jesus did exist - there are too many other historical accounts of his ministry to believe otherwise. But was he the son of God? That one, sad to say, I am no longer sure of - which puts me at an awkward place, being between my faith (which is crumbling), and logic.
My boyfriend is an atheist, and a lot of his points against all religions make a lot of sense to me. A part of me misses the comfort and stability of the church - the rituals, the routine, the feeling of familiarity with the others there. But if I were to go back now, I don't think I would find it comforting at all - rather, I think I would feel a fraud.
Anyway - nice to meet you, and welcome to Human Sexuality!
Waking up to atheism was the best thing I ever did. No more guilt, no more being afraid that if I piss off the alsmighty I won't get to heaven.
patricialynn wrote:
But if I were to go back now, I don't think I would find it comforting at all - rather, I think I would feel a fraud.!
You're almost there girl! Just remember you are not, nor ever have been the fraud when it comes to religion. That's how religion works. Fear and guilt. Your guilt about not going to church is what they count on.

Waking up to atheism was the best thing I ever did. No more guilt, no more being afraid that if I piss off the alsmighty I won't get to heaven.

Besides if you come over to the dark side, we have cookies for you. LOL

Good luck on your journey.

“just past psychosis...”

Since: Dec 08

and rounding the bend

#41 Jan 24, 2009
patricialynn wrote:
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It is a question that has always concerned me as well - why, when he has the whole world to run, would he be interested in a little old housewife in Illinois?
And I will be honest - even when I was going to church three times a week, and reading my Bible twice daily, there were a lot of things that bothered me concerning my religion. Like, we are to love all our neighbors, but we are supposed to hate and stone homosexuals?
I still have a lot of questions, and am not entirely certain I will find the answers on this side of the grave. But that doesn't stop me from looking!
I always thought that christianity needed to be more tolerant of those it disagrees with. Isn't the theory hate the sin love the sinner?

“Darwin died for your sins”

Since: Aug 08

Nunya

#42 Jan 24, 2009
mad baker wrote:
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It may not pay much, but I find the work to be rewarding in it's own way. There aren't a lot of moral conundrums in emergency medicine. Everyone who wants to live has the right to live, some just shouldn't be allowed in public.
LOL! Indeed. I agree. The time I spent on my paramedic clinicals was a blast! If I were a wealthy man I would do it for free.

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