Atheists Cannot be Moral

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Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#21 Mar 28, 2013
Brother Edward wrote:
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http://veridican.org
Why are you here? Are you seeking monetary donations?

Or, are we just going to be continually spammed with an advertisement for your sect?

You are not off to a very good start here by denigrating others. Is this what your cult teaches?

Since: Aug 12

Adana, Turkey

#22 Mar 28, 2013
Brother Edward wrote:
Atheists cannot be moral
Absolutely

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Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#23 Mar 28, 2013
B_Girl_Turco wrote:
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Absolutely
You don't know any, do you ?

“Fortes Fortuna Juvat, ”

Since: Dec 09

Wichita. Ks.

#24 Mar 28, 2013
B_Girl_Turco wrote:
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Absolutely
Then you must not know any moral people.

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Since: Dec 09

Wichita. Ks.

#25 Mar 28, 2013
Brother Edward wrote:
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Then you make my point: "Those actions are just matter moving around." No matter what you say after that, it doesn't change the basic fact that given the doctrine of atheism, there is no moral foundation. There is only matter moving around.
There is no doctrine of atheism.

What moral foundation do you claim?
Brother Edward wrote:
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So, like I said, the kidnap and murder of a child is the same thing as Mother Teresa caring for the sick--from a moral point of view--if atheism is true.
http://veridican.org
You logic is unsound as it claims there are no morals at all. If so the morals of religion are the same.

As for atheism there is no true or untrue it is the simple lack of theism no more and no less.

As I stated before you seem to lack an appreciation of humanity.

“Fortes Fortuna Juvat, ”

Since: Dec 09

Wichita. Ks.

#26 Mar 28, 2013
Brother Edward wrote:
So in The First Veridican Church you do not believe that there was any other god other than Jesus? That Jesus was born of natural birth? As you and the church state you only follow and believe in Jesus and not the old testament.

Since: Aug 12

Adana, Turkey

#27 Mar 28, 2013
Very Cynical Person wrote:
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Then you must not know any moral people.
I know many religious people who are moral.
I dont know any atheist or jew who is moral.
Amused

Lowell, MA

#28 Mar 28, 2013
B_Girl_Turco wrote:
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I know many religious people who are moral.
I dont know any atheist or jew who is moral.
Don't get out much, do you?

“Fortes Fortuna Juvat, ”

Since: Dec 09

Wichita. Ks.

#29 Mar 28, 2013
B_Girl_Turco wrote:
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I know many religious people who are moral.
I dont know any atheist or jew who is moral.
Then you live in a vacuum.

There are many people that cannot and will not admit their belief or lack of due to people of hatred in the world of religious belief. Your comments are on the edge of hate and an un-humanistic attitude.

One cannot take another seriously if they are devoid of human understanding and caring of others if they do not believe, look, think, or act as they do.

If you are afraid to look for truth and love then you will never understand life.

As for your comments they are in my view very amoral.

“Fortes Fortuna Juvat, ”

Since: Dec 09

Wichita. Ks.

#30 Mar 28, 2013
Amused wrote:
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Don't get out much, do you?
This person is on precipice of inner hate with the outward degree of bigotry of self destruction.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#31 Mar 28, 2013
Brother Edward wrote:
it doesn't change the basic fact that given the doctrine of atheism, there is no moral foundation.
Nor should there be. There's no moral foundation for a lack of belief in Zeus. There's no moral foundation for a lack of belief in Cosmic Sheep of dimension Zog. There's no moral foundation for a lack of belief in space aliens. There's no moral foundation for a lack of belief in hobbits. It simply regards a concept that is proposed and stating that one is unconvinced by the evidence, or left unconvinced due to the lack of evidence.

You may as well be saying there's no moral foundation in not liking carrot-juice.(shrug)

And here's another thing:

There's no moral foundation in a belief in (a) God. Any who claim the divine is the source of morality is merely saying they are incapable of morality themselves because:

1 - They only act on what they believe their god wants. Or:

2 - They do what the frak they want anyway and say their god wants it.

So back to the original opening post:
Brother Edward wrote:
Atheists cannot be moral, if atheism is true. If atheism is true, no one can be moral. There is no foundation for any "right" or "wrong" statement if atheism is true. If atheism is true, the kidnapping and murder of a child is as morally neutral as helping an old lady take out her garbage.
Atheism is irrelevant to the point. It doesn't even enter into it. And as I've pointed out, neither does theism. All morals are arbitrary. Morality is an abstract thought concept, nothing more. If you see someone walking down the street you can choose to leave them alone. Or you can smack them. They will either fight back or withdraw. Either way it's your choice to decide on whether that's right or wrong. Now you're walking down the street. Someone smacks you. It's still your choice to decide on whether or not it was right or wrong. By sheer happenstance most people on the receiving end of such pain will claim it was wrong.

They now have the choice to decide whether it is right or wrong to withdraw. Or if they should hit back. Or even go the whole hog and hit everyone you feel like. And if one becomes an Alpha rather than an omega, they get to make the rules. Right and wrong is whatever you say it is.

Unless they come across those who tried a different route. Others are people who walked past other people in the street and thought it was "wrong" to smack them. They helped the old ladies take out the trash. This helping of others promoted the idea of helping others. Of course this means we're talking about a group. They also just so happened to see you walking down the street and smacking another person. They have decided that what you did was "wrong". Now you may be a big strong Alpha but there's ten of them, and collectively they are stronger than you. Because of this, they get to make the rules.

Again, you now have a choice. You can submit to their rules, or decide they were right all along. Or you can invent the machine gun and mow 'em all down, and hope that they don't get SMG's of their own.

I trust you can now finally grasp how the development of altruism came about.

Mind you the universe at large will remain unaffected. Earth really isn't all that important in the grand scheme of things.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#32 Mar 28, 2013
B_Girl_Turco wrote:
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I know many religious people who are moral.
I dont know any atheist or jew who is moral.
So are you atheist or Jew?

“Fortes Fortuna Juvat, ”

Since: Dec 09

Wichita. Ks.

#33 Mar 28, 2013
B_Girl_Turco wrote:
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I know many religious people who are moral.
I dont know any atheist or jew who is moral.
I have seen and lived the “morals” of religion. The morals of religious indoctrination can take on the force of being moral as it destroys the fabric of morals. What you claim to be moral can be the death of many that you and religion believe to be less than you and religion. At this point your religion becomes the evil and amoral face that you claim to hate. By this your religious beliefs become the evil you so claim to fight against.

No without humanity and understanding along with love of others you cannot be anything but an amoral person.

“Fortes Fortuna Juvat, ”

Since: Dec 09

Wichita. Ks.

#34 Mar 28, 2013
Very Cynical Person wrote:
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Then you must not know any moral people.
Brother Edward believes in no god other than the Jesus of the new testament. He cannot believe in the old testament god as he does not follow or believe in it.

Jesus as the new testament as written is a man of love, but without the old testament this Jesus cannot be. The old testament is one of hate, and lack of love for others. If this were not true then there would have been no need for the Jesus.

Since: Aug 12

Adana, Turkey

#35 Mar 28, 2013
Very Cynical Person wrote:
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Then you live in a vacuum.
There are many people that cannot and will not admit their belief or lack of due to people of hatred in the world of religious belief. Your comments are on the edge of hate and an un-humanistic attitude.
One cannot take another seriously if they are devoid of human understanding and caring of others if they do not believe, look, think, or act as they do.
If you are afraid to look for truth and love then you will never understand life.
As for your comments they are in my view very amoral.
I told my own opinion and the observations about the issue , didnt offend anyone , didnt say any bad word.

You said a lot of things about me based on your own preconceptions and you decided about my personalty . That's what a said at the first two message.

“Reason's Greetings!”

Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#36 Mar 28, 2013
B_Girl_Turco wrote:
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I told my own opinion and the observations about the issue , didnt offend anyone , didnt say any bad word.
You said a lot of things about me based on your own preconceptions and you decided about my personalty . That's what a said at the first two message.
Judging other people, who you don't know, and lying about them is offensive.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#37 Mar 28, 2013
B_Girl_Turco wrote:
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I told my own opinion and the observations about the issue , didnt offend anyone , didnt say any bad word.
Yes, I'm sure Jewish people would have appreciated your post.

(eyeroll)
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#38 Mar 28, 2013
Very Cynical Person wrote:
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Brother Edward believes in no god other than the Jesus of the new testament. He cannot believe in the old testament god as he does not follow or believe in it.
Jesus as the new testament as written is a man of love, but without the old testament this Jesus cannot be. The old testament is one of hate, and lack of love for others. If this were not true then there would have been no need for the Jesus.
Precisely why they can't dismiss the OT for the sake of convenience.

“Fortes Fortuna Juvat, ”

Since: Dec 09

Wichita. Ks.

#39 Mar 28, 2013
B_Girl_Turco wrote:
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I told my own opinion and the observations about the issue , didnt offend anyone , didnt say any bad word.
You said a lot of things about me based on your own preconceptions and you decided about my personalty . That's what a said at the first two message.
A lot can be learned for just one word.

Your word agreed with a lot of words by another, so by that yes you showed your true self by that one word.

“Fortes Fortuna Juvat, ”

Since: Dec 09

Wichita. Ks.

#40 Mar 28, 2013
B_Girl_Turco wrote:
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I told my own opinion and the observations about the issue , didnt offend anyone , didnt say any bad word.
You said a lot of things about me based on your own preconceptions and you decided about my personalty . That's what a said at the first two message.
Let me set this on the right path, I do not hate religious people, but I do hate the religious beliefs. The beliefs of many religions are the direct root of evil veiled in love.

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