'Science Guy' warns about creationism

Sep 27, 2012 Full story: thetimes-tribune.com 171

The man known to a generation of Americans as "The Science Guy" is condemning efforts by some Christian groups to cast doubts on evolution and lawmakers who want to bring the Bible into science classrooms.

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“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#21 Sep 28, 2012
Educated What wrote:
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But teacher sponsored.
Skating on the edge of the US Constitution, if not outright illegal.

A challenge to a 'teacher-sponsored' meeting of that type SHOULD be made.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#22 Sep 28, 2012
Educated What wrote:
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But teacher sponsored.
Outside of school grounds teachers can do what they like. Privately they can sponsor what they wish. But inside school grounds, on school time, via public tax bucks? Illegal. But not a shock, fundies have always hated the US Constitution and freedom of religion. Unless the only religion that has freedom is their own.

“There are other issues.”

Since: May 09

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#23 Sep 28, 2012
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>Outside of school grounds teachers can do what they like. Privately they can sponsor what they wish. But inside school grounds, on school time, via public tax bucks? Illegal. But not a shock, fundies have always hated the US Constitution and freedom of religion. Unless the only religion that has freedom is their own.
It's held in the library during lunch. I love freedom of religion but I can respect freedom from religion.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#24 Sep 28, 2012
Educated What wrote:
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It's held in the library during lunch. I love freedom of religion but I can respect freedom from religion.
I bet the fur would REALLY fly if a group practicing Satanism, Santaria or (gasp) Islam started to meet there during lunch as well.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#25 Sep 28, 2012
Educated What wrote:
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It's held in the library during lunch. I love freedom of religion but I can respect freedom from religion.
A teacher isn't sponsoring it ON BEHALF OF THE SCHOOL, i.e. on behalf of the government.

You've got one Jesus Freak teacher and a bunch of Jesus Freak kids who probably conspired in church the Sunday before to ostentatiously meet together on school property to "show the flag" and bang the drum for their Jesus.

Big deal.

Most kids grow up, develop their OWN ideas and views of the world and either reject outright or severely modify the fundamentalist mind-programming they received as children. That's one you CAN'T win!

“There are other issues.”

Since: May 09

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#26 Sep 28, 2012
Gillette wrote:
<quoted text>A teacher isn't sponsoring it ON BEHALF OF THE SCHOOL, i.e. on behalf of the government.

You've got one Jesus Freak teacher and a bunch of Jesus Freak kids who probably conspired in church the Sunday before to ostentatiously meet together on school property to "show the flag" and bang the drum for their Jesus.

Big deal.

Most kids grow up, develop their OWN ideas and views of the world and either reject outright or severely modify the fundamentalist mind-programming they received as children. That's one you CAN'T win!
Who is trying to win?

“There are other issues.”

Since: May 09

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#27 Sep 28, 2012
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>I bet the fur would REALLY fly if a group practicing Satanism, Santaria or (gasp) Islam started to meet there during lunch as well.
Probably! Lol!
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#28 Sep 28, 2012
Educated What wrote:
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It's held in the library during lunch. I love freedom of religion but I can respect freedom from religion.
And if organized and/or endorsed by teachers (i.e. they turn up and participate) it's illegal.

“There are other issues.”

Since: May 09

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#29 Sep 28, 2012
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>And if organized and/or endorsed by teachers (i.e. they turn up and participate) it's illegal.
In my child's school there are 5 teacher sponsors.

“There are other issues.”

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#30 Sep 28, 2012
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>And if organized and/or endorsed by teachers (i.e. they turn up and participate) it's illegal.
They dont recruit though, it's up to the student.

Since: Dec 10

Orefield, PA

#31 Sep 28, 2012
Let me try to ppredict where this will go in two months....

Fizzle, fizzle.... Done.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#32 Sep 28, 2012
Educated What wrote:
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In my child's school there are 5 teacher sponsors.
And what is the nature of the sponsoring?
MIDutch

Waterford, MI

#33 Sep 28, 2012
Educated What wrote:
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Not at all, it shows that people are standing up to atheists and practicing their freedom of religion during a school event! That's amazing!
Atheists are a small percentage of the US population. It's not like atheists are the ones mostly shoving their world view down the throats of others. That would be you "christians".

Further, the MILLIONS of Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Shinto, Confucianists, Daoists, Wicca, Pagans, etc. who ALSO don't want to listen to Christian sermonizing, may have something to say about how much "christian" religion gets interjected into school functions as well.
MIDutch

Waterford, MI

#34 Sep 28, 2012
On the topic of religion and the young: it seems that Evangelical Protestantism is losing young people in droves. According to this Barna group report, a full 60% of young people are leaving their churches, never to go back:

http://www.barna.org/teens-next-gen-articles/...

Of course, the "fundamentalist" evangelical "christian" answer to the strict, rigid, intolerant, "literal and inerrant" dogmatism of the church, that is driving young people away, will probably be to become even more strict, rigid, intolerant and "literal and inerrant" dogmatic and try to push this dogmatism into the schools at younger and younger ages so that they can replace the ones they are losing later.

“There are other issues.”

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#35 Sep 28, 2012
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>And what is the nature of the sponsoring?
I believe that any clubs/organizations in campus need a teacher sponsor.

“There are other issues.”

Since: May 09

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#36 Sep 28, 2012
MIDutch wrote:
<quoted text>Atheists are a small percentage of the US population. It's not like atheists are the ones mostly shoving their world view down the throats of others. That would be you "christians".

Further, the MILLIONS of Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Shinto, Confucianists, Daoists, Wicca, Pagans, etc. who ALSO don't want to listen to Christian sermonizing, may have something to say about how much "christian" religion gets interjected into school functions as well.
Well, that's one view but you have to admit that there are a lit of views. I welcome prayer at school but maybe in a moment of silence so everyone can worship in what they believe. This will not affect atheists either because they will not be required to do so.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#37 Sep 28, 2012
MIDutch wrote:
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Atheists are a small percentage of the US population. It's not like atheists are the ones mostly shoving their world view down the throats of others. That would be you "christians".
Further, the MILLIONS of Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Shinto, Confucianists, Daoists, Wicca, Pagans, etc. who ALSO don't want to listen to Christian sermonizing, may have something to say about how much "christian" religion gets interjected into school functions as well.
http://i.imgur.com/oaSgJ.gif
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#38 Sep 28, 2012
Educated What wrote:
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I believe that any clubs/organizations in campus need a teacher sponsor.
Something certainly seems iffy there...
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#39 Sep 28, 2012
Educated What wrote:
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Well, that's one view but you have to admit that there are a lit of views. I welcome prayer at school but maybe in a moment of silence so everyone can worship in what they believe. This will not affect atheists either because they will not be required to do so.
And that moment of silence should be at play-break and lunch-breaks.

“There are other issues.”

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#40 Sep 28, 2012
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>And that moment of silence should be at play-break and lunch-breaks.
Moment of silence is in the morning

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