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#770 Jun 12, 2012
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Oh. Now you want to use reason when you have demonstrated that you can hold both sides of a contradiction as being true.
And when I use reason to point that out, I'm just being emotional (unsettled in my mind).
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Please, don't speak like this! You make me feel that I offended you. But, for you to say that I can hold both sides of a contradiction, that's far from the truth. I only use a text to explain another. That's how the Scriptures must be understood, and apparent contradictions are eliminated.
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#771 Jun 12, 2012
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Ahh, the cry that everyone else is close minded that fundamentalists cry. And yes, you sound like a fundamentalist.
Many atheists have read your holy books and found them quite lacking. So what else do you have as evidence? Or am I being unreasonable by asking for something in which to apply reason?
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See? You are progressing. You have given the answer I had in mind for your question. Reason is the evidence I have besides the use of plurality of texts in the Tanach. It is possible but hard to think that atheists would open the Bible to read anything from it. They would rather feel like having their fingers and eyes burning.
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#772 Jun 12, 2012
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Meh. At this point I'd say "have fun storming the castles" except our Christian evangelicals would certainly try to get the US involved in the conflict.
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The US involved in a conflict with Israel!!! Unheard of! They know
we are behind them. That's why they can fly free. But something must be said: If the US tried to copy the Romans, they would lose more people than in all its wars put together. Besides, America would never do that. I am sure that the American people understand what Jesus said in John 4:22, that salvation comes from the Jews.
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#773 Jun 12, 2012
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I pray for Gods will be done.
I praise God. But I can not ask favors of him he's given me so much already.
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Hi KJV, I can't agree with you more. The Lord has given us ALL by equipping us with Intellect to achieve anything we need. We don't even have to pray for anything else. Besides, IMHO, it would be useless. Prayer is, by definition, man's attempt to make God change
His mind. Since according to Numbers 23:19, God is not like a man to change His mind, one is better off praying prayers of thanksgiving and spiritual songs. Prayer-requests only bring God down to the level of the Greek gods. That's in the Iliad of Homer.
Ben

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#774 Jun 12, 2012
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Who's argument are you trying to support here? Mine or Ben?
I'm saying Deuteronomy says children are responsible for the sins of the father. Ben is saying that Ezekiel overrides that.
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KJV, would you please allow me to reply to this post of Greymouser's. Also with his permission, of course.

Hey Greymouser, not only Ezekiel 18:20, but also Jeremiah in 31:30,
II Chronicles 25:4, but especially, and above all, the Torah itself
in Exodus 32:33. They all clear up what is said in Exodus 20:5 and in Deuteronomy. It is not even a contradiction.
Ben

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