Let There Be Light and There was Light

Let There Be Light and There was Light

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#1 Feb 21, 2011
Let There Be Light and There Was Light

It has been an a "tohu vavohu" among many questioners, especially Christians, even many Jews, to come up with an explanation for that kind of light in Genesis 1:3 when the sun, which gives light by day was created only on the 4th day of creation. The embarrassment is that at both, Atheists laugh. And not because they know any better in terms of an adequate answer, but for two other reasons: First, because they look for answers only in Science; and of course, it is not there but in Theology. And in Theology, they laugh at us for they think that we are all speaking about an anthropomorphic god, which, as I don't blame them: It indeed never existed.

But what light is indeed the Torah writer referring to when he reports of God as declaring, "Let there be light?"

Since the creation of the universe it was already in the designs of God to provide for salvation of Mankind, a People whom salvation would come from, in the words of Jesus himself in John 4:22.

When for good, the Assyrians removed Israel from existence by replacing the Northern population of the Galilee with Gentiles, and after the Jews or Southern pupulation was taken for a temporary exile of 70 years in Babylon, and the time had arrived for their return to the Land of Israel, Prophet Isaiah said that the people who walked in darkness, he meant the Gentiles in Galilee, had seen a great light as the Jewish People was returning to the Land of Israel.(Isa. 9:2)

Then, later, he confirms that light of Genesis 1:3 when he explained that Israel had been assigned as light to the nations.(Isa. 42:6) But the light was to remain divided from the darkness, so that both should exist in the same world; although, in the language of the Essenes, there would always be a conflict between the children of Light and the children of darkness. Between Jews and Gentiles.

Jesus was aware of this Light as he delivered his famous Sermon of the Mount to a crowd of Jews, when he said to them: "You are the Light of the world." (Mat. 5:1, 14; 7:28) The reason why he said "you are" and not "you have" is that what one has, it can be taken away, but what one is, he is no matter what. Individually, we have the light the world needs to know God. But as a People, we are the light of Genesis 1:3, which the world needs for salvation. And that's what Jesus meant in John 4:22.

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#2 Feb 21, 2011
Leave it to the godbots to bring a slingshot to a tank battle.
Les

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#3 Feb 21, 2011
Clap on...clap off.
Just Steve

Cleveland, OH

#4 Feb 21, 2011
Les wrote:
Clap on...clap off.
Good 'un.
nina

Ottawa, Canada

#5 Feb 21, 2011
let there be light....

wasn't that a 70's stadium rock ballad?
Just Steve

Cleveland, OH

#6 Feb 21, 2011
On what day did god create dickheads?

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#7 Feb 21, 2011
Just Steve wrote:
On what day did god create dickheads?
Day 7. The cock crowed and woke him up on his day of rest.

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#8 Feb 24, 2011
Yep, that lessor light is still shining
Mr Smartypants

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#9 Feb 24, 2011
It's turtles all the way down, but they're light!

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#10 Mar 3, 2011
ScienceRules wrote:
Leave it to the godbots to bring a slingshot to a tank battle.
I have no idea of what you are talking about.

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#11 Mar 3, 2011
nina wrote:
let there be light....
wasn't that a 70's stadium rock ballad?
No, it was the very first prophecy stated in the Tanakh to be fulfilled with the rise of Israel as a People.
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#12 Mar 3, 2011
Just Steve wrote:
On what day did god create dickheads?
In the day that you were born.

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#13 Mar 3, 2011
Reason Personified wrote:
Yep, that lessor light is still shining
You are absolutely right. Read about the Essay of Mark Twain about that light.

The Essay of Mark Twain About the Jews.

"If the statistics are right, the Jews constitute but one percent of the human race. It suggests a nebulous dim puff of star dust lost in the blaze of the Milky Way.

Properly the Jew ought hardly to be heard of, but he is heard of, has always been heard of. He is as prominent on the planet as any other people, and his commercial importance is extravagantly out of proportion to the smallness of his bulk.

His contributions to the world's list of great names in literature, science, art, music, finance, medicine, and abstruse learning are also away out of proportion to the weakness of his numbers.

He has made a marvellous fight in the world, in all the ages; and has done it with his hands tied behind him. He could be vain of himself, and be excused for it.

The Egyptian, the Babylonian, and the Persian rose, filled the planet with sound and splendor, then faded to dream-stuff and passed away; the Greek and the Roman followed, and made a vast noise, and they are gone; other peoples have sprung up and held their torch high for a time, but it burned out, and they sit in twilight now, or have vanished.

The Jew saw them all, beat them all, and is now what he always was, exhibiting no decadence, no infirmities of age, no weakening of his parts, no slowing of his energies, no dulling of his alert and aggressive mind. All things are mortal but the Jew; all other forces pass, but he remains. What is the secret of his immortality?

Mark Twain

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#14 Mar 3, 2011
Mr Smartypants wrote:
It's turtles all the way down, but they're light!
Right, that's exactly what the Psalmist said in Psalm 119:105, that
the Word of God given to the Jews only and to no other people on earth is a lamp to our feet and light to our path.(Psa. 147:19,20)
redneck

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#15 Mar 3, 2011
Light? So jesus was a carpenter and god was the electrician so satan must be the plumber.

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#16 Mar 3, 2011
Ben_Masada wrote:
<quoted text>
You are absolutely right. Read about the Essay of Mark Twain about that light.
The Essay of Mark Twain About the Jews.
"If the statistics are right, the Jews constitute but one percent of the human race. It suggests a nebulous dim puff of star dust lost in the blaze of the Milky Way.
Properly the Jew ought hardly to be heard of, but he is heard of, has always been heard of. He is as prominent on the planet as any other people, and his commercial importance is extravagantly out of proportion to the smallness of his bulk.
His contributions to the world's list of great names in literature, science, art, music, finance, medicine, and abstruse learning are also away out of proportion to the weakness of his numbers.
He has made a marvellous fight in the world, in all the ages; and has done it with his hands tied behind him. He could be vain of himself, and be excused for it.
The Egyptian, the Babylonian, and the Persian rose, filled the planet with sound and splendor, then faded to dream-stuff and passed away; the Greek and the Roman followed, and made a vast noise, and they are gone; other peoples have sprung up and held their torch high for a time, but it burned out, and they sit in twilight now, or have vanished.
The Jew saw them all, beat them all, and is now what he always was, exhibiting no decadence, no infirmities of age, no weakening of his parts, no slowing of his energies, no dulling of his alert and aggressive mind. All things are mortal but the Jew; all other forces pass, but he remains. What is the secret of his immortality?
Mark Twain
I do not think that anyone outside the bible believes that the moon emits light. OK, Mark Twain had respect for the Jewish people, how does that say word one about the bible god not knowing that the moon merely reflected light.
I rather think that even Mark Twain did not see it as a source of light. I have no problem with seeing Mark Twain as vastly superior in intellectually to the god of the bible.

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#17 Mar 3, 2011
correction to above ^

rather think that even Mark Twain did not see it as a source of light. I have no problem with seeing Mark Twain as vastly superior intellectually to the god of the bible.

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#18 Mar 4, 2011
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>I do not think that anyone outside the bible believes that the moon emits light. OK, Mark Twain had respect for the Jewish people, how does that say word one about the bible god not knowing that the moon merely reflected light.
I rather think that even Mark Twain did not see it as a source of light. I have no problem with seeing Mark Twain as vastly superior in intellectually to the god of the bible.
How about Prophet Isaiah, do you think he could "see" better than Mark Twain? He said that Israel was assigned as light unto the Gentiles.(Isa. 42:6) How about Jesus himself, could he "see" better than Mark Twain? In his Sermon of the Mount to a crowd of Jews, he said, "You are the light of the world." (Mat. 5:14) How about Prophet Ezekiel, could he "see" better than Mark Twain? He sai that it is by means of Israel that God reveals His glory in the sight of the nations.(Ezek. 20:41) Do you need more or this is enough?

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#19 Mar 4, 2011
Reason Personified wrote:
correction to above ^
rather think that even Mark Twain did not see it as a source of light. I have no problem with seeing Mark Twain as vastly superior intellectually to the god of the bible.
Oh! It is not too hard to see why. You are talking about the anthropomorphic god of religions. This god does not exist anymore. Nietzsche said he died. Just like the Olympian gods of the Greek Panteon.

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#20 Mar 4, 2011
Weird.

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