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Hey

Sweden

#1 Oct 6, 2012
Hey. I have the proof of why they exist no God (creator). Its on about 10 page then but I will tell it short why I got the proof; infinity cores. This is actually everything who exist of atoms. And what do they prove... yea, infinity cores can't be created, Why? They got no beginning. And if they exist no Creator? What does that mean?...= no God.
http://martin89aa.blogspot.se/
The text is quite long but I hope you do have indurance. Please, if you understand me, HELP me spread the proof. This is the race the atheist will win! You are of course welcome to discuss with me (sorry if I messpelled something)
Regards / Martin Granberg

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#3 Oct 7, 2012
Doctor Who Two wrote:
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You're a idiot!
You're trying to claim that the rules of the universe prove that the creator of the universe can't exist!
Little loopy wouldn't you say?
The Creator is not bound by his creation and laws of physics don't apply outside of the universe.
Sounds like a liar to me...
Monkeys Paw

United States

#5 Oct 7, 2012
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>Sounds like a liar to me...
Go away Skippy.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#6 Oct 8, 2012
Monkeys Paw wrote:
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Go away Skippy.
Pipe down dude with no evidence.
Monkeys Paw

Brooklyn, NY

#7 Oct 8, 2012
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>Pipe down dude with no evidence.
Go away Skippy
Hey

Sweden

#9 Oct 10, 2012
-Skeptic- wrote:
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Sounds like a liar to me...
Well. For the first showed this for a teacher in energy from the university. He said it was very got that someone can test Einstein equation.

For the other. You do not understand infinity. Definitly you would not be able to differ between reality and illusion. Why? Because you live in the illusion and can't either see or understand the reality. It's the same with religions. They live also in the illusion where it exist a God (in the brain) but not in the "reality", or well. They BELIEVE he exist in reeality.

"If you don't understand me you can't either prove or say I'm wrong"

I do not like to tell this to idiots. You should have went in school. Sadly when a guy who dosen't understand any says I got wrong. Like you even can describe my new mathematical sign. I bet you can't! Idiot.
Hey

Sweden

#10 Oct 10, 2012
One more thing so you get some education why I have right.

If you create something it must have a beginning, otherwise you can't create it.

If you create something "now"... but the thing you created existed before in atoms, then you have NOT created it. This is the case with infinity. It's easier to understand that infinity can't be destroyed when it got no end. But its the same thing with the beginning. Because it do not have a beginning it can not be created.

But the infinity reactionchain is still something who exist... but can not be created... its "infinity". The infinity reactionchain = many infinity cores. If you thing infinity can be created then you do not understand what infinity is.

Regards / Martin
Hey

Sweden

#11 Oct 10, 2012
One last thing; just because it's something you don't understand it does not mean automatic that they got wrong.
Is it hard to realise that?
Hey

Sweden

#12 Oct 10, 2012
W/e when im into it anyway;

you said: "You're trying to claim that the rules of the universe prove that the creator of the universe can't exist!"

You do not understand me. I have not said it got rules. Universe can not understand any. Why the hell would it have rule then? It can not judge, everyone who dies is equal for the universe. No matter if you have killed 1000 people or have given 1 million to charity. Universe make no differ. If we say a God would exist, and he could create the infinity (which I have proven to be impossible) why would he create something who don't understand any? Or what would you say a star does? Except increase/decrease in energy? Why did a guy who is that cleaver created something who do not even know what 0 is?

“Right click Left click Yay!”

Since: Dec 10

Nehwon

#13 Oct 11, 2012
It's a good start but it needs more work. Perhaps this guy can give you a bit of insight:

http://www.timecube.com/
Hey

Sweden

#14 Oct 11, 2012
greymouser wrote:
It's a good start but it needs more work. Perhaps this guy can give you a bit of insight:
http://www.timecube.com/
Thanks for the comment. I will watch that clip now.

Bye / Martin
KittenKoder

Sydney, Australia

#15 Oct 17, 2012
Hey wrote:
Hey. I have the proof of why they exist no God (creator). Its on about 10 page then but I will tell it short why I got the proof; infinity cores. This is actually everything who exist of atoms. And what do they prove... yea, infinity cores can't be created, Why? They got no beginning. And if they exist no Creator? What does that mean?...= no God.
http://martin89aa.blogspot.se/
The text is quite long but I hope you do have indurance. Please, if you understand me, HELP me spread the proof. This is the race the atheist will win! You are of course welcome to discuss with me (sorry if I messpelled something)
Regards / Martin Granberg
You're a muppet

Since: Oct 12

High Point, NC

#16 Oct 26, 2012
The problem here is that Christians (which i am one of) say that God created everything blah blah blah. yet in order to back up this claim we SHOULD be saying God is the creator and sustainer of all else that exists. Or in other words He created all natural things, when God Himself isn't natural at all. He, in fact, is supernatural. I, as a Christian, believe that God exists outside of the relm/limitations of time, thus being (in a way) infinite. God had no beginning and will have no end.

Since: Mar 11

Chicago, IL

#17 Oct 26, 2012
In other words special pleading. A man rode a donkey into Jerusalem, he must be the creator of the universe!
JordanUTT wrote:
The problem here is that Christians (which i am one of) say that God created everything blah blah blah. yet in order to back up this claim we SHOULD be saying God is the creator and sustainer of all else that exists. Or in other words He created all natural things, when God Himself isn't natural at all. He, in fact, is supernatural. I, as a Christian, believe that God exists outside of the relm/limitations of time, thus being (in a way) infinite. God had no beginning and will have no end.

Since: Oct 12

High Point, NC

#18 Oct 26, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
<quoted text>In other words special pleading. A man rode a donkey into Jerusalem, he must be the creator of the universe!
I'm sorry I'm not exactly what you mean by your wording. Jesus riding a donkey into Jerusalem doesn't at all prove God is the creator and sustainer of the natural world. What exactly are you trying to say?
KJV

Brooklyn, NY

#19 Oct 26, 2012
"The best evidence for design can be seen in the nature of the universe and how it came to be. The process of discovery continues, since one of the fundamental properties of the universe, dark energy (or the cosmological constant), was discovered late in the last century. New studies continue to add to our knowledge about the universe and its extremely unlikely makeup.

The Big Bang
The Big Bang theory states that the universe arose from a singularity of virtually no size, which gave rise to the dimensions of space and time, in addition to all matter and energy. At the beginning of the Big Bang, the four fundamental forces began to separate from each other. Early in its history (10^-36 to 10^-32 seconds), the universe underwent a period of short, but dramatic, hyper-inflationary expansion. The cause of this inflation is unknown, but was required for life to be possible in the universe.

Excess quarks
Quarks and antiquarks combined to annihilate each other. Originally, it was expected that the ratio of quarks and antiquarks to be exactly equal to one, since neither would be expected to have been produced in preference to the other. If the ratio were exactly equal to one, the universe would have consisted solely of energy - not very conducive to the existence of life. However, recent research showed that the chargeï¿Âparity violation could have resulted naturally given the three known masses of quark families.1 However, this just pushes fine tuning a level down to ask why quarks display the masses they have. Those masses must be fine tuned in order to achieve a universe that contains any matter at all.

Large, just right-sized universe
Even so, the universe is enormous compared to the size of our Solar System. Isn't the immense size of the universe evidence that humans are really insignificant, contradicting the idea that a God concerned with humanity created the universe? It turns out that the universe could not have been much smaller than it is in order for nuclear fusion to have occurred during the first 3 minutes after the Big Bang. Without this brief period of nucleosynthesis, the early universe would have consisted entirely of hydrogen.2 Likewise, the universe could not have been much larger than it is, or life would not have been possible. If the universe were just one part in 10^59 larger,3 the universe would have collapsed before life was possible. Since there are only 10^80 baryons in the universe, this means that an addition of just 10^21baryons (about the mass of a grain of sand) would have made life impossible. The universe is exactly the size it must be for life to exist at all.

Early evolution of the universe
Cosmologists assume that the universe could have evolved in any of a number of ways, and that the process is entirely random. Based upon this assumption, nearly all possible universes would consist solely of thermal radiation (no matter). Of the tiny subset of universes that would contain matter, a small subset would be similar to ours. A very small subset of those would have originated through inflationary conditions. Therefore, universes that are conducive to life "are almost always created by fluctuations into the[se]'miraculous' states," according to atheist cosmologist Dr. L. Dyson.4

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/is_g...
KJV

Brooklyn, NY

#20 Oct 26, 2012
Part 2

"Just right laws of physics
The laws of physics must have values very close to those observed or the universe does not work "well enough" to support life. What happens when we vary the constants? The strong nuclear force (which holds atoms together) has a value such that when the two hydrogen atoms fuse, 0.7% of the mass is converted into energy. If the value were 0.6% then a proton could not bond to a neutron, and the universe would consist only of hydrogen. If the value were 0.8%, then fusion would happen so readily that no hydrogen would have survived from the Big Bang. Other constants must be fine-tuned to an even more stringent degree. The cosmic microwave background varies by one part in 100,000. If this factor were slightly smaller, the universe would exist only as a collection of diffuse gas, since no stars or galaxies could ever form. If this factor were slightly larger, the universe would consist solely of large black holes. Likewise, the ratio of electrons to protons cannot vary by more than 1 part in 10^37or else electromagnetic interactions would prevent chemical reactions. In addition, if the ratio of the electromagnetic force constant to the gravitational constant were greater by more than 1 part in 10^40, then electromagnetism would dominate gravity, preventing the formation of stars and galaxies. If the expansion rate of universe were 1 part in 10^55 less than what it is, then the universe would have already collapsed. The most recently discovered physical law, the cosmological constant or dark energy, is the closest to zero of all the physical constants. In fact, a change of only 1 part in 10^120 would completely negate the effect.

Universal probability bounds
"Unlikely things happen all the time." This is the mantra of the anti-design movement. However, there is an absolute physical limit for improbable events to happen in our universe. The universe contains only 10^80 baryons and has only been around for 13.7 billion years (10^18 sec). Since the smallest unit of time is Planck time (10^-45 sec),5 the lowest probability event that can ever happen in the history of the universe is:

1/1080 x 1/1018 x 1/1045 =1/10143"

KJV

Brooklyn, NY

#21 Oct 26, 2012
Part 3

"So, although it would be possible that one or two constants might require unusual fine-tuning by chance, it would be virtually impossible that all of them would require such fine-tuning. Some physicists have indicated that any of a number of different physical laws would be compatible with our present universe. However, it is not just the current state of the universe that must be compatible with the physical laws. Even more stringent are the initial conditions of the universe, since even minor deviations would have completely disrupted the process. For example, adding a grain of sand to the weight of the universe now would have no effect. However, adding even this small amount of weight at the beginning of the universe would have resulted in its collapse early in its history.

What do cosmologists say?
Even though many atheists would like to dismiss such evidence of design, cosmologists know better, and have made statements such as the following, which reveal the depth of the problem for the atheistic worldview:

"This type of universe, however, seems to require a degree of fine-tuning of the initial conditions that is in apparent conflict with 'common wisdom'."6
"Polarization is predicted. It's been detected and it's in line with theoretical predictions. We're stuck with this preposterous universe."7
"In all of these worlds statistically miraculous (but not impossible) events would be necessary to assemble and preserve the fragile nuclei that would ordinarily be destroyed by the higher temperatures. However, although each of the corresponding histories is extremely unlikely, there are so many more of them than those that evolve without "miracles," that they would vastly dominate the livable universes that would be created by Poincare recurrences. We are forced to conclude that in a recurrent world like de Sitter space our universe would be extraordinarily unlikely"

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/is_g...

Since: Mar 11

Chicago, IL

#22 Oct 26, 2012
Lmfao I know! People are so stupid saying because Jesus rode into town on a jackass that proves he was the messiah/God! How many people rode into Jerusalem on a donkey that day? Dozens? Hundreds? Lmfao!
JordanUTT wrote:
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I'm sorry I'm not exactly what you mean by your wording. Jesus riding a donkey into Jerusalem doesn't at all prove God is the creator and sustainer of the natural world. What exactly are you trying to say?

Since: Oct 12

High Point, NC

#23 Oct 26, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
<quoted text>Lmfao I know! People are so stupid saying because Jesus rode into town on a jackass that proves he was the messiah/God! How many people rode into Jerusalem on a donkey that day? Dozens? Hundreds? Lmfao!
Yeah but I'm saying that God IS creator and sustainer of all other things, and I do believe Jesus was His son who is mankind's savior. But the minor detail of Jesus' riding on a donkey into Jerusalem is completely irrelevant to His deity.

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