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#110 Jan 28, 2013
digitaldan wrote:
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Knock yourself out! Your sign wouldn't be anymore earth shattering than the irreligious bumper stickers one sees from time to time.
The purpose of education is not to indoctrinate, but to use the child's natural inquisitiveness to teach him that humanity does not come from a machine but from the heart. What children learn in public schools today is not the wisdom of life, but the value of technology.
So you have no proof of god, is that what you're saying? Thought so. You can stop immorally lying to kids about god now...

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#111 Jan 28, 2013
Hedonist wrote:
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Forum Editors (such as myself) cannot delete posts or censor content in any way. Nor have I ever seen Topix staff known as moderators do so without good cause. Your paranoia is getting the better of you.
If Topix TOS concedes that one may encounter offensive, abusive material, there is no just cause to delete a post other than censorship.

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#112 Jan 28, 2013
digitaldan wrote:
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Who decides when a child reaches an age of skeptical inquiry? No one expects children to submit college theses on the subject of the origin of the universe. Exposing them to as many ideas as possible simply enhances the mystery and wonder of creation.
There's a difference between introducing kids to ideas and lying to kids about the nature of the universe.

Typical apologist rubbish from dangerous theists with no proof of god.

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#113 Jan 28, 2013
digitaldan wrote:
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If Topix TOS concedes that one may encounter offensive, abusive material, there is no just cause to delete a post other than censorship.
You have no argument to make. Kids will be taught proven information.

Religion is not proven, and hence is remains as it always has been - cult fiction that does not belong in any responsible education system.

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#114 Jan 28, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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So you have no proof of god, is that what you're saying? Thought so. You can stop immorally lying to kids about god now...
The purpose of a public school curriculum that includes the study of religions is not to convince a child whether or not God exists, but to inform him of other points of view.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#115 Jan 28, 2013
digitaldan wrote:
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If Topix TOS concedes that one may encounter offensive, abusive material, there is no just cause to delete a post other than censorship.
You would have to take that up with the Topix staff. There are Terms of Service and they have every right to remove postings and/or people who violate these terms.

That's not censorship, that's abiding by the terms a person agrees to when they stated posting in Topix.

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#116 Jan 28, 2013
Hedonist wrote:
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You would have to take that up with the Topix staff. There are Terms of Service and they have every right to remove postings and/or people who violate these terms.
That's not censorship, that's abiding by the terms a person agrees to when they stated posting in Topix.
"The fact is that censorship always defeats its own purpose, for it creates, in the end, the kind of society that is incapable of exercising real discretion." - Henry Steele Commager

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#117 Jan 28, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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You have no argument to make. Kids will be taught proven information.
Religion is not proven, and hence is remains as it always has been - cult fiction that does not belong in any responsible education system.
Both Creationism and Darwinism are THEORIES, not facts. What are you really afraid of?

“The Intrepid”

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#119 Jan 28, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
This is a group I have helped before. They are bravely debating and encouraging their Filipino neighbors to start questioning religion and progress secularly. It has been a difficult road for them as the Catholic Church, Muslim extremists and that crazy Iglesia Ni Cristo cult all have so much sway there. They have faced heat and even threats of violence and death.
If anyone can offer this fledging group of free thinkers assistance of any sort be it your time, a modest material donation or even just some kind words it is all appreciated. This group is working hard and has a major uphill battle. There are some bright and brilliant young minds there who are helping pull back the curtain of religious delusion there. I worry with the threats they face what could happen to some of them. The Philippines is basically run by the church and religious and that is a major reason why they have suffered so. It is a stark reminder of what happens by the grace of god!
http://filipinofreethinkers.org/
Give these fantastic, very brave young men and women free thinkers a moment of your time.
Thanks or as they would say in the Philippines, Salamat po!
You're not supposed to panhandle on Topix, loser.

“Leave That Thing Alone!”

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#120 Jan 28, 2013
digitaldan wrote:
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Both Creationism and Darwinism are THEORIES, not facts. What are you really afraid of?
False. The Theory of Evolution is a "scientific theory" (completely different from the way you are using the term "theory") that is an EXPLANATION of all the evidence related to the fact that life evolves. Creationism is only a "theory" (the way you are using the term 'theory') in the sense that it assumes an answer (god-did-it) based on fear and willful ignorance, and searches only for evidence that suppports it. The fact that there is no evidence to support 'creationism' is why folks, like you, need to lie to support your position.

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#121 Jan 28, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Doing a secular based study on the various religions of the world is common place even when I was in school so what's your point?
Obviously it didn't turn you into a bible thumping holy roller. It seems you harbor some unexplained paranoia about religion in general. Rather than attacking Christians, your time would be better spent examining the reason for your fear.

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#122 Jan 28, 2013
TerryL wrote:
<quoted text>False. The Theory of Evolution is a "scientific theory" (completely different from the way you are using the term "theory") that is an EXPLANATION of all the evidence related to the fact that life evolves. Creationism is only a "theory" (the way you are using the term 'theory') in the sense that it assumes an answer (god-did-it) based on fear and willful ignorance, and searches only for evidence that suppports it. The fact that there is no evidence to support 'creationism' is why folks, like you, need to lie to support your position.
The scientific theory of evolution is an "interpretation" of what is called evidence just as your interpretation of creationism is based on your own personal biases.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#123 Jan 28, 2013
digitaldan wrote:
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The scientific theory of evolution is an "interpretation" of what is called evidence just as your interpretation of creationism is based on your own personal biases.
And "interpretation", as you called it, of the massive amount of evidence gathered over the past 150+ years by scientists in all the Earth sciences throughout the world, independently verified by these same scientists regardless of their religious or socio-political environment.

Versus absolutely no independently verified evidence of any sort.

“Leave That Thing Alone!”

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#124 Jan 28, 2013
digitaldan wrote:
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The scientific theory of evolution is an "interpretation" of what is called evidence just as your interpretation of creationism is based on your own personal biases.
I'll add to Hedonists's respose that the T.O.E. is testable, can be used to make predictions and is falsifiable (requirements of the scientific method) creationism is... well, laughable at best.

Since: Mar 11

United States

#126 Jan 28, 2013
Yes schools teach useful information to children. Again just about any school has classes on world theology where students can learn about Christianity Hinduism Islam and other religions if they wish to learn about these myths.
digitaldan wrote:
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Knock yourself out! Your sign wouldn't be anymore earth shattering than the irreligious bumper stickers one sees from time to time.
The purpose of education is not to indoctrinate, but to use the child's natural inquisitiveness to teach him that humanity does not come from a machine but from the heart. What children learn in public schools today is not the wisdom of life, but the value of technology.

Since: Mar 11

United States

#127 Jan 28, 2013
I go after Jews, Hindus, Sikhs and Muslims for their myths and delusions equally.
digitaldan wrote:
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Obviously it didn't turn you into a bible thumping holy roller. It seems you harbor some unexplained paranoia about religion in general. Rather than attacking Christians, your time would be better spent examining the reason for your fear.

Since: Mar 11

Louisville, KY

#129 Jan 28, 2013
The website is for free thinkers. I can see why that would upset and disgust a closed minded Christhole like yourself. Not to worry though! I am sure your preacher has several creationist and church sites for you to visit.
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>You're not supposed to panhandle on Topix, loser.

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#130 Jan 29, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
I go after Jews, Hindus, Sikhs and Muslims for their myths and delusions equally.
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You might be another Don Quixote tilting at windmills.

Myths have been a part of human societies since the dawn of history. You don't understand why myths exist and how they are used to further man's comprehension of himself in relation to the universe.

There are mysteries that we sense but cannot put into words. Mythology, which is a poetic way to comprehend these mysteries is by neccessity metaphorical. It has been said that mythology is the penultimate truth, penultimate because the ultimate cannot be objectified. Even science has its mythology which is allowed expression in Sci-fi comic books and video games.

The symbols of myths whether in the tangible form of images or in the abstract form of ideas, are necessary for they release the deepest centers of motivation in all of us. In this way, myths are far more important than facts.

Those who understand metaphorical mythology are aware of an inner world, or a mystical region of essential experience. Those who characterize metaphors as insubstantial have, to one degree or another, dulled themselves to the poetry of existence. Without heros and villians, or catalogues of gods and demons, man would not find the courage to transform himself, to push against the self-created boundaries of his own suppositions.

The psychological dangers for example, through which the religious are guided by the symbols and spiritual exercises of their mythological inheritance must be faced alone by the atheist for whom all gods and devils have been rationalized out of existence. It is only when these symbols are taken literally that they can become obstacles to enlightenment rather than doorways.

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#131 Jan 29, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
The website is for free thinkers. I can see why that would upset and disgust a closed minded Christhole like yourself. Not to worry though! I am sure your preacher has several creationist and church sites for you to visit.
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If you don't want opposition to you rendition of "free thinking", why not make your forum private? You have that option. That way you can preach to the choir.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#132 Jan 29, 2013
digitaldan wrote:
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You might be another Don Quixote tilting at windmills.
Myths have been a part of human societies since the dawn of history. You don't understand why myths exist and how they are used to further man's comprehension of himself in relation to the universe.
There are mysteries that we sense but cannot put into words. Mythology, which is a poetic way to comprehend these mysteries is by neccessity metaphorical. It has been said that mythology is the penultimate truth, penultimate because the ultimate cannot be objectified. Even science has its mythology which is allowed expression in Sci-fi comic books and video games.
The symbols of myths whether in the tangible form of images or in the abstract form of ideas, are necessary for they release the deepest centers of motivation in all of us. In this way, myths are far more important than facts.
Those who understand metaphorical mythology are aware of an inner world, or a mystical region of essential experience. Those who characterize metaphors as insubstantial have, to one degree or another, dulled themselves to the poetry of existence. Without heros and villians, or catalogues of gods and demons, man would not find the courage to transform himself, to push against the self-created boundaries of his own suppositions.
The psychological dangers for example, through which the religious are guided by the symbols and spiritual exercises of their mythological inheritance must be faced alone by the atheist for whom all gods and devils have been rationalized out of existence. It is only when these symbols are taken literally that they can become obstacles to enlightenment rather than doorways.
You're just making stuff up.

"Are there things in the Universe that we cannot know in the usual way of observing and measuring, but that we can know in some other way -- intuition, revelation, mad insight?

If so, how can you know that what you know in these non-knowing ways is really so? Anything you know without knowing, others can know only through your flat statement without any proof other than 'I know!'

All this leads to such madness that I, for one, am content with the knowable. That is enough to know." ~ Isaac Asimov

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