Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#49 Jan 25, 2013
Values are not declining in my society.

Your lot rarely get to burn witches, keep slaves, racially segregate, shun rape victims or keep women from voting these days.
BBSting wrote:
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Your lack of religious knowledge is monumental.
Declining human values and the erosion of any sense of meaning has reached epidemic proportions in western civilization as a result of the egregious secular doctrines of physicalism and amorality. No amount of finger pointing on your part will justify this atrocious situation or minimize the consequences.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#50 Jan 25, 2013
I know why do Christians freak out and start hyperventilating over a group of free thinkers? If That Christhole was donating money to Muslim terror groups in the Philippines to go after those brave men and women it wouldn't surprise me.

He has actually deluded himself into thinking his god and afterlife plays no role in Islamic terrorism.

:shakes head:
MrDesoto1 wrote:
Well isn't this thread typical?
It started as a well intentioned idea of supporting a free-thinkers group.
Then along come the hateful xtians with their typical unsubstantiated BS, trying the hijack the thread, while offering no apparent positive reason to buy their bull.
Why would anyone want to associate with their ilk?

Since: Nov 12

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#51 Jan 25, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Values are not declining in my society.
Your lot rarely get to burn witches, keep slaves, racially segregate, shun rape victims or keep women from voting these days.
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Enter the atheist Gestapo! Don't think one of your "comrades in delusion" can hold his own?
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#52 Jan 25, 2013
Values are not declining in my society.

Your lot rarely get to burn witches, keep slaves, racially segregate, shun rape victims or keep women from voting these days.
BBSting wrote:
<quoted text>
Enter the atheist Gestapo! Don't think one of your "comrades in delusion" can hold his own?

Since: Nov 12

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#53 Jan 25, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Values are not declining in my society.
Your lot rarely get to burn witches, keep slaves, racially segregate, shun rape victims or keep women from voting these days.
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You're living in the past, not the present. Have YOU personally experienced the things you listed?

Statistically atheists are less charitable than Christians.

http://philanthropy.com/article/America-s-Gen...

If you want to do some real good, stop whining about practices that don't exist in this country and volunteer your services to a community project that benefits others.

“Reason's Greetings!”

Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#54 Jan 25, 2013
BBSting wrote:
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You're living in the past, not the present. Have YOU personally experienced the things you listed?
Statistically atheists are less charitable than Christians.
http://philanthropy.com/article/America-s-Gen...
If you want to do some real good, stop whining about practices that don't exist in this country and volunteer your services to a community project that benefits others.
"Statistically atheists are less charitable than Christians."

Nowhere in your link does it explicitly say that. In fact it says:

"Religion has a big influence on giving patterns. Regions of the country that are deeply religious are more generous than those that are not. Two of the top nine states—Utah and Idaho—have high numbers of Mormon residents, who have a tradition of tithing at least 10 percent of their income to the church. The remaining states in the top nine are all in the Bible Belt.

When religious giving isn’t counted, the geography of giving is very different. Some states in the Northeast jump into the top 10 when secular gifts alone are counted. New York would vault from No. 18 to No. 2, and Pennsylvania would climb from No. 40 to No. 4."

“Reason's Greetings!”

Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#55 Jan 25, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Values are not declining in my society.
Your lot rarely get to burn witches, keep slaves, racially segregate, shun rape victims or keep women from voting these days.
<quoted text>
Maybe he meant this xtian value:

Psalm 137 9: Happy the one who will seize and dash your infants against the rock!

Since: Nov 12

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#56 Jan 25, 2013
MrDesoto1 wrote:
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"Statistically atheists are less charitable than Christians."
Nowhere in your link does it explicitly say that. In fact it says:
"Religion has a big influence on giving patterns. Regions of the country that are deeply religious are more generous than those that are not. Two of the top nine states—Utah and Idaho—have high numbers of Mormon residents, who have a tradition of tithing at least 10 percent of their income to the church. The remaining states in the top nine are all in the Bible Belt.

When religious giving isn’t counted, the geography of giving is very different. Some states in the Northeast jump into the top 10 when secular gifts alone are counted. New York would vault from No. 18 to No. 2, and Pennsylvania would climb from No. 40 to No. 4."
Well...duh! How do you suppose the statistics would read if religions were counted?

"Regions of the country that are deeply religious are more generous than those that are not."

Sounds pretty explicit to me.

Since: Nov 12

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#57 Jan 25, 2013
So does this.....

"However, on the other side of the ledger, religious people are also "better neighbors" than their secular counterparts. No matter the civic activity, being more religious means being more involved. Take, for example, volunteer work. Compared with people who never attend worship services, those who attend weekly are more likely to volunteer in religious activities (no surprise there), but also for secular causes. The differences between religious and secular Americans can be dramatic. Forty percent of worship-attending Americans volunteer regularly to help the poor and elderly, compared with 15% of Americans who never attend services. Frequent-attenders are also more likely than the never-attenders to volunteer for school and youth programs (36% vs. 15%), a neighborhood or civic group (26% vs. 13%), and for health care (21% vs. 13%). The same is true for philanthropic giving; religious Americans give more money to secular causes than do secular Americans. And the list goes on, as it is true for good deeds such as helping someone find a job, donating blood, and spending time with someone who is feeling blue."

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/opinion/f...

“Reason's Greetings!”

Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#58 Jan 25, 2013
BBSting wrote:
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Well...duh! How do you suppose the statistics would read if religions were counted?
"Regions of the country that are deeply religious are more generous than those that are not."
Sounds pretty explicit to me.
"Regions of the country that are deeply religious are more generous than those that are not."

Atheists do not appear in that sentence either. Clear as mud!

Since: Nov 12

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#59 Jan 25, 2013
MrDesoto1 wrote:
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"Regions of the country that are deeply religious are more generous than those that are not."
Atheists do not appear in that sentence either. Clear as mud!
Cherry picking.

Since: Nov 12

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#60 Jan 25, 2013
It's not that there are more atheists in the world, its that with the advent of computer technology, they have a greater opportunity showcase their religious intolerance and moral ineptitude. No society in history has ever flourished or endured without a commitment to religious values. Period.

“Reason's Greetings!”

Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#61 Jan 25, 2013
BBSting wrote:
So does this.....
"However, on the other side of the ledger, religious people are also "better neighbors" than their secular counterparts. No matter the civic activity, being more religious means being more involved. Take, for example, volunteer work. Compared with people who never attend worship services, those who attend weekly are more likely to volunteer in religious activities (no surprise there), but also for secular causes. The differences between religious and secular Americans can be dramatic. Forty percent of worship-attending Americans volunteer regularly to help the poor and elderly, compared with 15% of Americans who never attend services. Frequent-attenders are also more likely than the never-attenders to volunteer for school and youth programs (36% vs. 15%), a neighborhood or civic group (26% vs. 13%), and for health care (21% vs. 13%). The same is true for philanthropic giving; religious Americans give more money to secular causes than do secular Americans. And the list goes on, as it is true for good deeds such as helping someone find a job, donating blood, and spending time with someone who is feeling blue."
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/opinion/f...
It sounds like they didn't even include very many people in the survey to begin with, and furthermore, didn't even include Atheists in your survey links:

"The research that we report in the book is largely but not entirely based on a survey that we did of roughly 3,000 Americans."

"Below that, we find evangelical Protestants and Americans who are not religious. We asked it that way because we wanted to capture the way Americans really perceive one another, so we didn’t ask about atheists because the term “atheist” is so loaded. But when you just ask about folks who are not religious, they score a little lower than the evangelical Protestants, but still above 50."

"This is also why — and I want to emphasize this — even though in American Grace we’re describing this upward trend of folks who say they have no religious affiliation, if you probe a little further, it’s not that these folks are atheists — not by any stretch of the imagination — nor even that they’ve abandoned sort of core religious beliefs. Most of them believe in God and they believe in a heaven. They just don’t like organized religion, or at least organized religion as they see it in front of them today."

I am beginning to think this is hardly any kind of scientific survey regarding Atheists, especially when they didn't include them.

Since: Mar 11

United States

#63 Jan 25, 2013
There is no worse system of morality than Christianity.

“Reason's Greetings!”

Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#64 Jan 25, 2013
BBSting wrote:
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Cherry picking.
That's what bible thumpers are good at.

“Reason's Greetings!”

Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#65 Jan 25, 2013
BBSting wrote:
It's not that there are more atheists in the world, its that with the advent of computer technology, they have a greater opportunity showcase their religious intolerance and moral ineptitude. No society in history has ever flourished or endured without a commitment to religious values. Period.
From your own link:
"The data provide fodder for both sides. On the one hand, religious Americans are somewhat less tolerant of free speech and dissent."

"Religion means less tolerance..."

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#66 Jan 25, 2013
Typical Christian move cherry pick what you like and ignore the rest. Hey they do that with the bible!
MrDesoto1 wrote:
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From your own link:
"The data provide fodder for both sides. On the one hand, religious Americans are somewhat less tolerant of free speech and dissent."
"Religion means less tolerance..."
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#67 Jan 26, 2013
If you want small government, you also get smaller charity.
You have no idea what I do for charity.
Don't judge everyone else by your low standards.
BBSting wrote:
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You're living in the past, not the present. Have YOU personally experienced the things you listed?
Statistically atheists are less charitable than Christians.
http://philanthropy.com/article/America-s-Gen...
If you want to do some real good, stop whining about practices that don't exist in this country and volunteer your services to a community project that benefits others.

Since: Jun 07

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#68 Jan 26, 2013
BBSting wrote:
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Cherry picking.
Can you cherry pick me some evidence of your god...oh snap...?

Since: Jun 07

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#69 Jan 26, 2013
BBSting wrote:
It's not that there are more atheists in the world, its that with the advent of computer technology, they have a greater opportunity showcase their religious intolerance and moral ineptitude. No society in history has ever flourished or endured without a commitment to religious values. Period.
Don't theists use computers too? Don't they outnumber atheists?

Do all your opinions come out of your a$$ or just this one?

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