Definitions of atheism and agnosticism

Definitions of atheism and agnosticism

There are 230 comments on the The Lippard Blog story from Jan 6, 2010, titled Definitions of atheism and agnosticism. In it, The Lippard Blog reports that:

I recently posted this at the Phoenix Atheists Meetup group's discussion forum in a thread titled "atheism v. agnosticism," and thought it might be worth reposting here: There are lots of ways to define these terms, to the extent that you can't be sure how people are using them unless you ask.

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“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#223 May 28, 2010
Path wrote:
With the last three posts in mind, I'd like to point out that one of the severe difficulties with these definitions is the varied definitions of belief itself...
See, on the one hand, belief gets used in a black and white sense, where one who says they believe means they are 100% certain.
On the other hand, there is 'belief' by 'reasonable faith'.
What I mean by that is, for example, you believe you're going to get to work safely; you have reasonable faith that nothing will go wrong. However, you {do} know that, well... sh.. happens.
You {know} there's always a chance that things will go wrong, but we can't live our lives worrying about the 1% chance of things going wrong, when more than likely things will be fine.
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Carrying on... most of the time, in avoidance of the first meaning, atheists such as myself will stand by that they simply do not 'believe' that there is {no} god, because we are not 100% certain. However, I would say that most of us do believe with reasonable faith, that in all likelihood, there is not a god.
So it's exceedingly difficult to define things surrounding belief, because belief itself is such a varied word.
If we could all agree on the reasonable faith definition I could easily say "I believe there's no god", but as it is I would then be confronted by the question "How can you be sure" by those that take belief to be a matter of certainty...
Very astute: what means 'belief'.

Couple that with the conundrum, what means 'god' and you'll quickly see the huge gap from even among those who claim to 'believe' in 'god'....!

However, anyone who recognizes these two problems, is at least taking their first steps down the road to full-on skeptical thinking.

For what is skepticism, but examining the meaning of

.... meanings?

:)
LCNLin

United States

#225 Sep 2, 2013
nina wrote:
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I find more often than not, it's the reader who is refusing to understand what's written and they focus on the minor issues as a red herring
"All religions,
arts and sciences are branches
of the same tree."

Albert Einstein

Since: Jun 07

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#226 Sep 2, 2013
LCNLin wrote:
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"All religions,
arts and sciences are branches
of the same tree."
Albert Einstein
Look how Lincoln the Creationist liar tries to lie about Einstein:

"The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this.

-- Albert Einstein, in a letter responding to philosopher Eric Gutkind, who had sent him a copy of his book Choose Life: The Biblical Call to Revolt;

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#227 Sep 2, 2013
LCNLin wrote:
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"All religions,
arts and sciences are branches
of the same tree."
Albert Einstein
Nice try pathetic creationist lying fool. Einstein was not a creationist you stupid tw*t.
LCNLin

United States

#228 Sep 3, 2013
Path wrote:
<quoted text>Though not contained in a single document, the UK is considered to have a strong constitution, much of which dates much farther back than in the US. In fact, much of the US is simply borrowed from the UK, such as the majority of the bill of rights; theirs being a good 100 years older.
While we like to think we invented this principle of government by the people with peoples rights we call democracy, the fact is that while the original settlers of the Americas were pillaging from the natives merry old England had a civil war and instated much of the principle foundations of our democracy over there...
They just didn't extend the whole deal to the Americas, and our founders were pissed that they got left out... mainly that they didn't get representation in parliament.
Frankly, the whole revolution would have stopped if the king just said "okay, pick your parliamentarians". But he didn't, so here we are.
Divided and Independent.
Freedom of speech is guaranteed but objected to by trolls...
LOL

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#229 Sep 8, 2013
LCNLin wrote:
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Divided and Independent.
Freedom of speech is guaranteed but objected to by trolls...
LOL
You ignorant self-unaware cretin. Just look at the judge icons telling you unashamedly to go back to your creationist cave of misfortune.
LCNLin

Brooksville, FL

#230 Sep 9, 2013
Mr. "Just Prove it" does not prove his philosophy of atheism ;-)

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#231 Sep 10, 2013
LCNLin wrote:
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Divided and Independent.
Freedom of speech is guaranteed but objected to by trolls...
LOL
Lying about god to atheists in the atheism forum is a foolish activity.

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#232 Sep 10, 2013
LCNLin wrote:
Mr. "Just Prove it" does not prove his philosophy of atheism ;-)
You can't disprove atheism, just like you can't disprove that you're Lincoln The Creationist Liar.

“honestly politically incorrect”

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#233 Dec 20, 2015
Respectfully,I ask.

How does a person like myself fit into any of those categories or combinations between agnostic and atheist?

I use to be a christian from a child and its only been several yrs. ago since I backslid.
I even use to believe in ghosts but thru the years I started to question things and become more and more skeptic.
Especially now,you can use science to debunk the bible and use logic to explain what we thought was a ghost that turned out to be nothing more than a hallucination that was triggered by a number of possibilities.
I don't consider myself a hardcore atheists because I'm willing to let things slide in regards to someone expressing their religion.
I don't have a problem at all with anybody expressing their religion anywhere in anyway for as long as it does not cause any real harm and I don't believe that just being offended by someone expressing their beliefs does any real significant harm to anyone but then again maybe there are those who can see the harm in it where I can't.
Not only can I not prove god exists but I'm not even sure that god does exist.
I don't take the bible literally or at face value,I actually understand at least some of the things that it tries to teach and I sure as hell am not an apologist for christians for I have had my share of giving the christians what for when I see that they are out of line.
I normally don't pay that much attention to them on these forums.
So,naturally,I don't keep up with every fundie hee-haw that comes on these forums and threads and tells others that they are going to go to hell and so forth if they don't hump The Almighty's leg or something like that.

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