Atheism Destroyed At Last! - The Deba...

Since: Jan 14

United States

#1238 May 10, 2014
Mikko wrote:
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LOL the troll thinks he's won
No, the teeming world of readership know I've won.

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United States

#1239 May 10, 2014
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>He had declared his victory before he declared himself a contestant. And by claiming defeat upon the non-existent(atheism) he has outed himself as both dimwitted and a fool.
*the absence of theism
'non-existent atheism'? Agreed. You've said so, not I.

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Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#1240 May 10, 2014
Coming in with your foot in your mouth as usual, I see.

The word "atheism" means the absence of a theism.

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Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#1241 May 11, 2014
Reason Personified wrote:
Coming in with your foot in your mouth as usual, I see.
The word "atheism" means the absence of a theism.
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TOCO8TE...

Since: Jan 14

United States

#1242 May 11, 2014
Reason Personified wrote:
Coming in with your foot in your mouth as usual, I see.
The word "atheism" means the absence of a theism.
Meaning, therefore, that the -ve, i.e.,(atheism) is the absence of the +ve,(theism). What a shame!

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Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#1243 May 11, 2014
jide oni wrote:
<quoted text> Meaning, therefore, that the -ve, i.e.,(atheism) is the absence of the +ve,(theism). What a shame!
It's more analogous to a null result than a simple negative/positive dichotomy. More precisely, god is a hypothesis that has never become necessary to explain any demonstrably real phenomenon. Indeed, believe in god has often been an obstacle in the search for understanding of the universe and has never helped in forming useful hypotheses towards that end.

Faith is also analogous to the suspension of disbelief that helps us to enjoy fiction except that for believers, faith is the default state instead of skepticism. In order to properly do their work, scientists and some other workers must temporarily suspend their faith in the same way that we all do when entering a movie theater, watching TV, or reading a novel, allowing faith to resume its place in their lives when they are not working.

Strange, that.

Since: Jan 14

United States

#1244 May 11, 2014
If the concept, atheism, is the absence of theism, therefore the negative, i.e. atheism, must be the absence of the positive, i.e. theism.
In other words, if atheism is a negation of theism, then atheism is non-existent.
In other words, still, where the negative is merely the absence of a positively existing thing or concept, therefore atheism has no independent existence of its own, but a non-entity nothingness, at least if it is the negative of theism.
In other words, still and yet, atheism, i.e. not theism or no theism, leaves us with nothing to fall back upon therefore, in the absence of the erstwhile positively existing theism.
In other words, still and yet still, where ugliness, for instance, is a positively existing opposite of the positively existing beauty, not beauty or no beauty will logically mark a positive absence of both beauty and ugliness, therefore nothing.

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Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#1245 May 11, 2014
jide oni wrote:
If the concept, atheism, is the absence of theism, therefore the negative, i.e. atheism, must be the absence of the positive, i.e. theism. In other words, if atheism is a negation of theism, then atheism is non-existent. In other words, still, where the negative is merely the absence of a positively existing thing or concept, therefore atheism has no independent existence of its own, but a non-entity nothingness, at least if it is the negative of theism. In other words, still and yet, atheism, i.e. not theism or no theism, leaves us with nothing to fall back upon therefore, in the absence of the erstwhile positively existing theism. In other words, still and yet still, where ugliness, for instance, is a positively existing opposite of the positively existing beauty, not beauty or no beauty will logically mark a positive absence of both beauty and ugliness, therefore nothing.
I've never seen less content packed into so many words before.

What do you think of aleprechaunists?

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Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#1246 May 11, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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I've never seen less content packed into so many words before.
What do you think of aleprechaunists?
It's all those sentence that begin, "In other words... ". Words well chosen need no explanation or restatement. Poor jide oni is under the illusion that he writes well. Pity. There are so many wonderful writers on this forum. If he would drop is schoolmaster persona, he could learn from us, and not just about writing. He also has much to learn about logic. Belief in oneself is often a good thing, but he takes it to an unhealthy level, falsely assuming a superiority to others that makes it impossible to learn.

Jide oni lists himself as a professor of graphognomy, a pseudoscince that is rejected as a foresic science in most places. Even though little can be inferred from the way a person writes by hand, much can be seen in the choice of words, how phrases are structured, and the way that paragraphs and pieces as a whole are structured. I'll leave it to each reader to decide what jide oni's scattergun approach to writing says about him. I merely point out that it is there.

One bit of advice to him though: attempts at clever phrasing are not working for him. Writing about inconspicuous conspicuousness may feel clever, but it reads like foolishness. It's better to write in a straight-forward workmanlike style, avoiding showy and inflated vocabulary. Simplicity is the power behind poetry and the essence of good expository writing.

Since: Jan 14

United States

#1247 May 11, 2014
NightSerf,
Yes, the irrelevance of religion to progress is true of belief-/faith-based religion.
Whereas, it becomes a completely different story altogether, where religion is anchored on natural, universal realities, truths, principles, forces, energies, constant, balance, order, understanding, scientific facts, etc. which jointly point to a self-perfected and self-perpetuating existence in its integrity, whose cumulative aggregate sums up to a god or a synthetic, compact whole.
Where the tag, god, is found, as it were, to have become religiously bastardized and tainted with brush of man's primitive superstitions, personal imaginings and puerile imbecility, then there is nothing out of place, if one should choose to replace the tag, god, with a more natural, reasonable, scientific or philosophical signifier.

Since: Jan 14

United States

#1248 May 11, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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I've never seen less content packed into so many words before.
What do you think of aleprechaunists?
There is always the first time of everything.

Since: Jan 14

United States

#1249 May 11, 2014
So, in a way, nothing is lost, inasmuch as there is no complaint about intelligibility.
But where some fastidious posters here mischievously mis-redirect their searchlight to a cooked-up unintelligibility on my part, then let them familiarize themselves with my so-called inflated style, as they must, at least if they would not let their decedent atheism die a natural death in the nick of time.

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Location hidden

#1250 May 11, 2014
More nonsense from the jide troll

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Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#1251 May 11, 2014
Jide oni, some writers get away with inflated styles and vocabularies because of the great skill that they employ when they write. You, on the other hand, add extraneous words that stick out because of their awkwardness. Take your last post:

"So" should be followed by a conclusion to a preceding chain of logic. It would be okay to begin a post with it if it capped a previous post. It doesn't.

"Inasmuch as" is often used as an attempt to make something sound legal or scholarly. Here it is merely pompous, especially since the phrase that follow bears no relationship to the one that precedes it. That's not just poor writing, it's lousy logic. I would have used "since."

"Fastidious" is glaringly awkward. I know what you mean, but many readers will be thinking, "what does cleanliness have to do with anything?" because that is the more common usage nowadays in spite of what your thesaurus may say. I would have chosen "overly picky" as it is more colloquial and for its alliterative value with "posters."

"Mis-redirect?" Use misdirect or redirect. Or mistakenly redirect. Or misdirect repeatedly. Using "mis-redirect" makes you sound stupid.

"Then" should indicate a logical or temporal sequence. Here it does neither.

"Decedent atheism die a natural death" looks to be another attempt at clever phrasing, but it is only a confusion of redundancy. Simplify it.

The above (and a few phrases I have not bothered to critique) show why your writing is so often characterized as a "word salad"; the overall effect is of a meaningless tangle of phrases. I don't mean to be harsh, but you are not a good writer. Your sentences are hopelessly awkward, and ideas jump in a hodgepodge from one to the next within your paragraphs and in your posts as a whole.

My father used to say that good writing is good thinking made clear. A lack of clarity usually indicates sloppy thinking and/or flawed reasoning. That's the impression your writing seems to leave with your readers here.

Since: Jan 14

Europe

#1252 May 11, 2014
Mikko wrote:
More nonsense from the jide troll
Fine! You have now learnt the correct spellimg of 'nonsense' from jide oni.

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#1253 May 12, 2014
jide oni wrote:
<quoted text> Fine! You have now learnt the correct spellimg of 'nonsense' from jide oni.
Nope i activated spell check in Firefox

BTW it's Spelling

Since: Jan 14

Europe

#1254 May 12, 2014
NightSerf,
The Lord have mercy! Definitely, you have failed in your attempt to stop me from forging ahead in my mission here in Topix.
My SO-CALLED inflated style of writing should not be a concern to you at this point in time, as long as my posts still make some sense.
What would be your reaction, should I employ the service of a translator/interpreter, if my native language were my only medium of communication?
I think what should bother you now is how to save the decedent(DYING) atheism from an imminent death.
Judging from the tone of your reactions to my posts in this thread and elsewhere in Topix Forums, you are undoubtedly an embodiment of the worst humor ever imaginable under the sky - inconsiderate, indiscreet, caustic, insolent and hypersensitive at the same time, repressive, jealous, prejudiced, conceited and unnecessarily confrontational.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#1255 May 12, 2014
See, that's the thing, jide oni, most of your posts don't make sense. If English is not easy for you, that's all the more reason to keep your writing as simple as the ideas you want to express permit.

Look, for instance at the writings of Baha'u'llah, the founding prophet of the Baha'i Faith. His writings in Farsi, his native language, are rich, complex, and elaborate without the kind of awkwardness that comes from trying too hard. But when he wrote in Arabic, his language became simpler and more direct but just as effective.

In expository writing, simpler is always better.

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Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#1256 May 12, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
:D Hi luv, how you doing?

Since: Mar 12

Mumbai, India

#1257 May 12, 2014
jide oni wrote:
NightSerf,
The Lord have mercy! Definitely, you have failed in your attempt to stop me from forging ahead in my mission here in Topix.
My SO-CALLED inflated style of writing should not be a concern to you at this point in time, as long as my posts still make some sense.
What would be your reaction, should I employ the service of a translator/interpreter, if my native language were my only medium of communication?
I think what should bother you now is how to save the decedent(DYING) atheism from an imminent death.
Judging from the tone of your reactions to my posts in this thread and elsewhere in Topix Forums, you are undoubtedly an embodiment of the worst humor ever imaginable under the sky - inconsiderate, indiscreet, caustic, insolent and hypersensitive at the same time, repressive, jealous, prejudiced, conceited and unnecessarily confrontational.
You never really made sense ever. You are frequently displaying your ignorance and making self-acclamation of being the winner of the debate when in reality no one takes your comments seriously and had a serious debate with you in a while.
You have no insight of philosophy and the universe and it became very obvious when we had a discussion quite a while ago.I have been reading this thread covertly for a while hoping you would ever pose a challenge and write something sound,Making an attempt to write your ideas in a florid language using fancy vocabulary words is of no use when the ideas you write are pretty incoherent. and fail to answer the reasonable doubts.
Do you still think that space and matter are same?

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