Since: Jan 14

United States

#1032 Apr 16, 2014
fadu singh wrote:
<quoted text>Does space has a mind?
Is space not the covering of us minded beings, like your covering and mind?

Since: Jan 14

United States

#1033 Apr 16, 2014
fadu singh wrote:
<quoted text>Well,for me God could be anything or anyone.It depends upon the individual's concep.tion of God.Your attribution like omnipotence,omnibenevolence and omniscience is simply impossible.Why don't you simply see universe as a universe?
Quite possible, just wait and see.

Since: Mar 12

Devil's hometown

#1034 Apr 16, 2014
jide oni wrote:
<quoted text> Is space not the covering of us minded beings, like your covering and mind?
We are collection of matters and space is not a matter.I can clearly draw a line of distinction between them.Why can't you?How our presence in the universe makes space conscious?If space is unconscious,then the whole universe can't be conscious.Universe is a collective noun and it is our conception of totality that encompasses everything that exists.And the essences and attributions of each aspect of it may not inductively true for the entirety .

Since: Jan 14

United States

#1035 Apr 16, 2014
If there is a supreme Being with absolute characteristics, then those perfect attributes must be reflected in every conceivable possible world.
For example, the justice of the universal Governor is such that every human is blessed with problems to solve, so that he can experience the joy that comes of self-accomplishment.
But many humans, for want of foresight, insight and hindsight on their part, are constrained to always expect all effects directly in time and in place;
Whereas, the complexity of natural recycling and reshuffling is such that pleasurable just recompense and painful hard deserts, are not always species specific, time and place immediacy bound, but
invariably gravity specific.
One may work in London, and get compensated in Nigeria; A debtor may work without pay, but not so, a creditor.
All the misconceptions about the goodness of a supreme being are evidently due to the fact that man tends to confuse situational changing manifestations with the permanent underlying constants of nature.

Since: Jan 14

United States

#1036 Apr 16, 2014
fadu singh wrote:
<quoted text>We are collection of matters and space is not a matter.I can clearly draw a line of distinction between them.Why can't you?How our presence in the universe makes space conscious?If space is unconscious,then the whole universe can't be conscious.Universe is a collective noun and it is our conception of totality that encompasses everything that exists.And the essences and attributions of each aspect of it may not inductively true for the entirety .
Space is matter, inasmuch as natural vacuum doesn't exist.

Since: Jan 14

United States

#1037 Apr 16, 2014
fadu singh wrote:
<quoted text>We are collection of matters and space is not a matter.I can clearly draw a line of distinction between them.Why can't you?How our presence in the universe makes space conscious?If space is unconscious,then the whole universe can't be conscious.Universe is a collective noun and it is our conception of totality that encompasses everything that exists.And the essences and attributions of each aspect of it may not inductively true for the entirety .
We are a part of the universe, therefore universal consciousness.

Since: Jan 14

United States

#1038 Apr 16, 2014
fadu singh wrote:
<quoted text>We are collection of matters and space is not a matter.I can clearly draw a line of distinction between them.Why can't you?How our presence in the universe makes space conscious?If space is unconscious,then the whole universe can't be conscious.Universe is a collective noun and it is our conception of totality that encompasses everything that exists.And the essences and attributions of each aspect of it may not inductively true for the entirety .
Universe is not a collective noun, but a unit of diverse things, e.g. you.

Since: Mar 12

Devil's hometown

#1039 Apr 16, 2014
jide oni wrote:
<quoted text> Space is matter, inasmuch as natural vacuum doesn't exist.
This shows your knowledge about theoretical physics. Thank you!

Since: Mar 12

Devil's hometown

#1040 Apr 16, 2014
jide oni wrote:
<quoted text> We are a part of the universe, therefore universal consciousness.
If our presence makes entire universe consciousness,then everything you said so far would be wrong.W e're not omnipotent,omnibenevolent or even omniscient.And all of these qualities require consciousness.Hence,universe is not omnipotent,omniscient and omnibenevolent.
Does that makes sense to you?No matter you see universe as a whole heterogeneous system(your point of view) or a collection of different entities(my point of view),you're claims are plain crass and make no sense.

Since: Jan 14

Ashburn, VA

#1041 Apr 16, 2014
fadu singh wrote:
<quoted text>This shows your knowledge about theoretical physics. Thank you!
Note the word 'natural' in my post. In nature, there's no nothing.

Since: Mar 12

Devil's hometown

#1042 Apr 16, 2014
jide oni wrote:
<quoted text> Note the word 'natural' in my post. In nature, there's no nothing.
A space doesn't necessarily have to be a vacuum.A vacuum is an idealized state of space where there is no energy and matter which of course not possible as matter and energy are pervasive.A space is a medium through which gravitational field propagates .
Is it still hard to comprehend the difference between matter and space?

Since: Jan 14

Ashburn, VA

#1043 Apr 16, 2014
fadu singh,
Man is the microcosm of the larger universe, to wit:
Man is composed of matter and mind, i.e. earth, water, air, fire and mind/intelligence;
Universe, also made up of matter and mind, i.e. earth, water, air, fire and mind/intelligence,(but man inclusive as well).

Since: Jan 14

Ashburn, VA

#1044 Apr 16, 2014
fadu singh wrote:
<quoted text>A space doesn't necessarily have to be a vacuum.A vacuum is an idealized state of space where there is no energy and matter which of course not possible as matter and energy are pervasive.A space is a medium through which gravitational field propagates .
Is it still hard to comprehend the difference between matter and space?
As long as space isn't an emptiness, then space is matter.

Since: Mar 12

Devil's hometown

#1045 Apr 16, 2014
jide oni wrote:
<quoted text> As long as space isn't an emptiness, then space is matter.
Thank you for showing your ignorance again.Take the help of Google and find what is the difference between a matter and space.
Sorry,I don't mean to offend you.You're easily the dumbest person I've ever talked with.

Since: Mar 12

Devil's hometown

#1046 Apr 16, 2014
It seems like all the regular posters barring me have given up before your relentless dogmatism and delusions.You're simply boring and quite stupidly repetitive.You have no idea as to what space and matter is and yet you claim to have true knowledge of universe. How ironic?If you can't grasp these simple ideas,then it is quite unlikely you would have any better understanding of much more complex ideas of universe
Live up with your delusions.You seem to get no vote for your delusional beliefs here.As I told earlier,there are many weak-minded godbots who would easily give in to your beliefs.Go seek them,you're simply waste of time.

Since: Jan 14

Ashburn, VA

#1047 Apr 16, 2014
If space is not independent of its contents, and the contents are matter, then the space must assume the nature of its contents, as long as exclusive space does not exist, but its eternally obligatorily present contents. So, any reference to space does not at any time exclude its contents, since it does not have its own separate existence to itself.

Since: Jan 14

Ashburn, VA

#1048 Apr 16, 2014
fadu singh wrote:
It seems like all the regular posters barring me have given up before your relentless dogmatism and delusions.You're simply boring and quite stupidly repetitive.You have no idea as to what space and matter is and yet you claim to have true knowledge of universe. How ironic?If you can't grasp these simple ideas,then it is quite unlikely you would have any better understanding of much more complex ideas of universe
Live up with your delusions.You seem to get no vote for your delusional beliefs here.As I told earlier,there are many weak-minded godbots who would easily give in to your beliefs.Go seek them,you're simply waste of time.
It's a duologue. Expecting others' interruption?; Or you need their help?

“Leave That Thing Alone!”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#1049 Apr 16, 2014
fadu singh wrote:
It seems like all the regular posters barring me have given up before your relentless dogmatism and delusions.You're simply boring and quite stupidly repetitive.You have no idea as to what space and matter is and yet you claim to have true knowledge of universe. How ironic?If you can't grasp these simple ideas,then it is quite unlikely you would have any better understanding of much more complex ideas of universe
Live up with your delusions.You seem to get no vote for your delusional beliefs here.As I told earlier,there are many weak-minded godbots who would easily give in to your beliefs.Go seek them,you're simply waste of time.
Yeah.... I gave up on this thread after a couple of days. It's like trying to converse with a random word generator. I have been reading though... to see if 'oni' will ever become coherent.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#1050 Apr 16, 2014
jide oni wrote:
If there is a supreme Being with absolute characteristics, then those perfect attributes must be reflected in every conceivable possible world.
For example, the justice of the universal Governor is such that every human is blessed with problems to solve, so that he can experience the joy that comes of self-accomplishment.
But many humans, for want of foresight, insight and hindsight on their part, are constrained to always expect all effects directly in time and in place;
Whereas, the complexity of natural recycling and reshuffling is such that pleasurable just recompense and painful hard deserts, are not always species specific, time and place immediacy bound, but
invariably gravity specific.
One may work in London, and get compensated in Nigeria; A debtor may work without pay, but not so, a creditor.
All the misconceptions about the goodness of a supreme being are evidently due to the fact that man tends to confuse situational changing manifestations with the permanent underlying constants of nature.
Again with the confusion about how logic works. Your first statement would need to be "if and only if" to justify further reasoning based on it. You can probably justify "if," and I'll accept that much for now. The "only if" presents more of a problem. You cannot prove the existence of your god by showing that some of the attributes you ascribe to it can be observed in the universe without first showing conclusively that those attributes cannot exist without the god. You haven't done that. I don't think that you (or anyone else, for that matter) can.

From there, you launch into a sermon that makes sense only if one already accepts the existence of your "universal Governor," making the whole argument implicitly circular. From there, your post descends into complete nonsense. "Whereas, the complexity of natural recycling and reshuffling is such that pleasurable just recompense and painful hard deserts, are not always species specific, time and place immediacy bound, but invariably gravity specific."? Get real. that doesn't even mean anything. It's an example of the "word salad" approach that you've been called on before.

This post moves you further away from acceptance of your ideas, not closer.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#1051 Apr 16, 2014
jide oni wrote:
<quoted text> We are a part of the universe, therefore universal consciousness.
Nonsense. Just more philosophical abstraction that cannot be substantiated. More religious claptrap. This statement goes into the discard pile.

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