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“There is no god!”

Since: Jun 12

Södertälje, Sweden

#890 Apr 8, 2014
jide oni wrote:
Are man-made laws imperfect?
Yes.
Are the imperfect man-made laws the products of the imperfect intelligence of man?
Yes.
What are the imperfections of the man-made laws?
1. They are violable,
2. They are
changeable,
3. They have
exceptions.
Are there perfect laws that naturally operate on man and all of existence?
Yes.
Can you give an example of the perfect laws?
1. The law of balance,
2. The law of economy of life (death),
3. The law of natural justice etc.
What are the perfections of the natural laws?
1. They are inviolable,
2. They are permanent,
3. They have no exceptions.
If the imperfect man-made laws are the products of the imperfect intelligpence of man, aren't the perfect natural laws the products of perfect intelligence?
Yes.
Isn't the perfect intelligence superior to the imperfect intelligence?
Yes.
Isn't the superior intelligence supreme after all?
Yes, It is.
Isn't the supreme intelligence a thing, an entity or a being?
Yes, It is.
Then, a supreme being is evident.
Gallimatias!
Thinking

Sturminster Newton, UK

#891 Apr 8, 2014
You're clearly an expert in B movies.
jide oni wrote:
<quoted text>killer bollocks?

Since: Jan 14

United States

#892 Apr 8, 2014
Inviolability of the perfect laws is not the same as their having no exceptions.
A law that is inviolable is that which cannot be disobeyed. Whereas, that the law has no exceptions implies that there is no sacred cow in the way of the law, but that it applies to everybody equally irrespective of racial, academic, religious, etc, status.
In addition to the earlier-mentioned characteristics of the perfect laws, are their omnipotence, omnipresence, omniscience and benevolence.
For example,let us consider the law of economy of life, i.e. death:
No living thing can disobey it;
No human government can abrogate it;
It is a respecter of no one;
No matter how spiritually, financially, militarily, medically etc, fortified you may be, utterly overpowered and trapped you will eventually find yourself in the suffocating paws of the omnipotent death;
Wherever you are, you see the omnipresent death ever present;
Whatever your laurel in preventative medicine, your knowledge remains thwarted by the omniscient death.

“The holy experience”

Since: Mar 12

Mumbai, India

#893 Apr 8, 2014
jide oni wrote:
Inviolability of the perfect laws is not the same as their having no exceptions.
A law that is inviolable is that which cannot be disobeyed. Whereas, that the law has no exceptions implies that there is no sacred cow in the way of the law, but that it applies to everybody equally irrespective of racial, academic, religious, etc, status.
In addition to the earlier-mentioned characteristics of the perfect laws, are their omnipotence, omnipresence, omniscience and benevolence.
For example,let us consider the law of economy of life, i.e. death:
No living thing can disobey it;
No human government can abrogate it;
It is a respecter of no one;
No matter how spiritually, financially, militarily, medically etc, fortified you may be, utterly overpowered and trapped you will eventually find yourself in the suffocating paws of the omnipotent death;
Wherever you are, you see the omnipresent death ever present;
Whatever your laurel in preventative medicine, your knowledge remains thwarted by the omniscient death.
You're once again messing up with the terminologies that you don't understand.How come natural laws be omniscient?Do they have minds of their own?

Since: Jan 14

United States

#894 Apr 8, 2014
fadu singh,
The moon, the earth, the sun - is the excercise of your mindpower anything close to that displayed by these so-called lifeless heavenly bodies?
You have a mind, yet the so-called mindless laws rule and control your life.
It is a natural fiat that whatever has life must succumb to the action of death, despite man's fruitless efforts to the contrary.
No matter where you might hide yourself, even at the bottom of the sea, the omniscient death knows how to locate you whenever your life purpose has been exhausted.

“The holy experience”

Since: Mar 12

Mumbai, India

#895 Apr 8, 2014
jide oni wrote:
fadu singh,
The moon, the earth, the sun - is the excercise of your mindpower anything close to that displayed by these so-called lifeless heavenly bodies?
You have a mind, yet the so-called mindless laws rule and control your life.
It is a natural fiat that whatever has life must succumb to the action of death, despite man's fruitless efforts to the contrary.
No matter where you might hide yourself, even at the bottom of the sea, the omniscient death knows how to locate you whenever your life purpose has been exhausted.
You're personifying death.Death can't be omniscient.Death is just like any other natural process.It is just like the explosion in the sun,destruction of stars,etc.
I don't know what makes you emphasize death and how does it relate to your cosmic-consciousness theory.

Since: Jan 14

Europe

#896 Apr 8, 2014
fadu singh wrote:
<quoted text>
You're personifying death.Death can't be omniscient.Death is just like any other natural process.It is just like the explosion in the sun,destruction of stars,etc.
I don't know what makes you emphasize death and how does it relate to your cosmic-consciousness theory.
A natural process beyond your control!
Thinking

Sturminster Newton, UK

#897 Apr 8, 2014
You have presented no evidence.
jide oni wrote:
fadu singh,
The moon, the earth, the sun - is the excercise of your mindpower anything close to that displayed by these so-called lifeless heavenly bodies?
You have a mind, yet the so-called mindless laws rule and control your life.
It is a natural fiat that whatever has life must succumb to the action of death, despite man's fruitless efforts to the contrary.
No matter where you might hide yourself, even at the bottom of the sea, the omniscient death knows how to locate you whenever your life purpose has been exhausted.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#898 Apr 8, 2014
fadu singh wrote:
<quoted text>
You're personifying death.Death can't be omniscient.Death is just like any other natural process.It is just like the explosion in the sun,destruction of stars,etc.
I don't know what makes you emphasize death and how does it relate to your cosmic-consciousness theory.
Oddly enough, I just wrote about this on another thread:

I think it's more likely that critical thinking abilities developed/evolved over a very long period of time, preceded by instinct and simple pattern recognition by eons. Over time, those two probably combined to allow primitive humans to perceive intent and predict the behavior of other animals, helped in finding prey rather than becoming it, and of other humans.

That same ability would have been misdirected towards discerning intent in inanimate forces like weather and seismic activity. They would have seen portents in the heavens long before they developed to the point where they could think about them from a more scientific point of view.

Even now, we see those ancient patterns of behavior struggling with more modern approaches to knowing. Religious people and organizations have fought tooth-and-nail against every significant scientific advancement over the past millennium even though most of them came from within--adherents or even clergy.

Deeply held belief, especially that which is learned from parents during childhood, are hard to give up and even harder to admit to in the face of criticism,scorn, and perhaps even rejection by family and other loved ones. That's why people will respond in polls that they no longer believer but won't self-identify as atheists.

This, of course, is my own opinion and conjecture, and I present it as noting more than that. But it does make some sense, doesn't it?

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...

Death terrifies most people. Personifying it creates the illusion that it has behavior patterns that can be understood, even predicted and perhaps avoided., and/or that it is not permanent, but a process of transition of some sort, to heaven, a new life, or some other state of being--anything except the extinction that is its reality when seen without blinders or faith-colored glasses.

Jide oni is not immune to those fears or the need to create or buy into such delusions.

Since: Jan 14

Europe

#899 Apr 8, 2014
Death personified?
But what is personification?- The height of creative genius which bestows life on lifeless 'percept' or concept, to further underscore and picturesquely capture the importance of the thing so personified.
Come to think of it: The term 'god' itself,viewed from a 'theosophical' angle, is nothing other than imaginative personification approximation of truth, love, life, beauty, light, energy, force, universe (cosmos), nature, intelligence, mind, consciousness and any other form or idea that pervades or/and enobles all of existence.
So, why the fuss, and why the epistle, over innocent and creative depiction of death - a powerful force in existence?

Since: Jan 14

Europe

#900 Apr 8, 2014
Thinking wrote:
You have presented no evidence.
<quoted text>
You have failed/refused to see evidence.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#901 Apr 8, 2014
Only a person can withhold respect, hold someone in its "suffocating paws," or be omniscient. To ascribe those qualities to a phenomenon is to personify it, even allowing for poetic license. Doing so requires no creative genius, especially when the purpose is to personify the entire universe as a fully existent god that is also asserted to be omniscient.

Jideoni-Charles over-assess his own abilities and importance to a ridiculous extent.

Since: Jul 09

Location hidden

#902 Apr 8, 2014
jide oni wrote:
<quoted text>
God is omnipotent; But what has no beginning could have been created.
the god you imagine is a projection of your psyche,

that is why the god is so confused
Thinking

Sturminster Newton, UK

#903 Apr 9, 2014
I say no, but either way, your god is not omnipotent.
jide oni wrote:
<quoted text> You have failed/refused to see evidence.
Thinking

Sturminster Newton, UK

#907 Apr 9, 2014
More bollocks from you.
jide oni wrote:
God's omnipotence (all-powerfulness), the totality of all the existing powers in the universe, including the powers of Kar144, of NightSerf, of singh, of Thinking, and virtually of anything that manifest any form of power at all.
How happy indeed it will be, when the truth dawns on the world of atheists? That jide oni does not conceive God to be a personalized human-like god, having a separate existence somewhere in the sky!
Nay! God should be conceived as the totality of existence, without which nothing exists. such that the perfect character of the God is simply the utmost sum-total of all manifest existence.
With the above in mind, we would all realize that when we talk about God, we are directly talking about ourselves; for we are gods ourselves, manifesting in a relative degree the exact miniaturized replica of the absolute attributes of the whole.

Since: Jan 14

Europe

#908 Apr 9, 2014
Thinking wrote:
More bollocks from you.
<quoted text>
Purblind?
Thinking

Sturminster Newton, UK

#909 Apr 9, 2014
If you can't read my posts, try a larger font size.
jide oni wrote:
<quoted text> Purblind?

“There is no god!”

Since: Jun 12

Södertälje, Sweden

#910 Apr 9, 2014
Galimatias!
jide oni wrote:
God's omnipotence (all-powerfulness), the totality of all the existing powers in the universe, including the powers of Kar144, of NightSerf, of singh, of Thinking, and virtually of anything that manifest any form of power at all.
How happy indeed it will be, when the truth dawns on the world of atheists? That jide oni does not conceive God to be a personalized human-like god, having a separate existence somewhere in the sky!
Nay! God should be conceived as the totality of existence, without which nothing exists. such that the perfect character of the God is simply the utmost sum-total of all manifest existence.
With the above in mind, we would all realize that when we talk about God, we are directly talking about ourselves; for we are gods ourselves, manifesting in a relative degree the exact miniaturized replica of the absolute attributes of the whole.

Since: Jan 14

United States

#912 Apr 9, 2014
Mikko wrote:
Galimatias!
<quoted text>
Do you understand what you read at all?

“The holy experience”

Since: Mar 12

Mumbai, India

#913 Apr 9, 2014
jide oni wrote:
<quoted text> A natural process beyond your control!
Death is actually a result of a natural process of aging.People live and die and yes we can't save ourselves from death because we are inept to do it.Our inability only proves that our powerlessness rather than being servile to any abstractions like physical laws.Nothing controls anything.The natural laws are just explanations and observations of natural processes of of universe and they don't have any physical existence.They don't control anybody as the word "control" should be associated something that physically exists and has deliberate authority over something.
These natural laws are abstractions and our own "understanding" and "conceptions" of orderliness in universe.These laws exist solely in our mind as an interpretation of orderliness in the universe rather than having a distinct and independent existence outside the world.
So,they are just conceptions rather than a powerful "real existing" physical entities

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