Atheism Destroyed At Last! - The Deba...

Since: Mar 12

Mumbai, India

#849 Apr 4, 2014
NightSerf wrote:
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While it is correct that darkness is an absence of perceptible light, comparing them to good and evil is an inapt analogy. Goodness perpetrates actions and events that have consequences in the real world. To be analogous, evil would have to be devoid of any actions and consequences, but we all know that evil also perpetrate actions and events and that the consequences are often more far-reaching with greater impact on individual lives that good does. If anything, the analogy works better if good is put forward as an absence of evil, but in truth it simply doesn't work at all. The whole concept is bogus. The whole "pleasurable good and painful good" argument is nothing more than a philosophical abstraction and a meaningless one at that.
You have said that you never paraphrase the "dad book" that is the Bible. How, then is "... times for laughter and crying, emptying and filling, resting and toiling, births and deaths, war and victory, day and night, etc. etc." not a paraphrase Of Ecclesiastes 3? Your assertions are much more Bible-based that you are willing to admit.
He is concept of God is mishmash of Biblical God and Pantheist God

Since: Mar 12

Mumbai, India

#850 Apr 4, 2014
Correction:"His" instead of he is

Since: Jan 14

Europe

#851 Apr 4, 2014
Reason Personified wrote:
Every human is born atheist(without theism, it is what the word means), and no one will ever destroy that.
Matt. 7:15-16 "A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit".
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all ...
<<<<<< That is the buybull god telling us that he is pure crap.
Now if you want to sell us something, how about something that is actually beneficial to mankind? Your god is an embarrassment ... you do know about his fetish for golden dipped hemorrhoids and lopped off foreskins, don't you?
The biblical god not my God.

Since: Jan 14

Europe

#852 Apr 4, 2014
NightSerf,
How dare you adduce biblical paraphrasing/allusion to my statements of truth? At any rate, if such eternal truths find correspondences in the bible, that further points to the fact that every system of belief has some truths ingrained within the multitudes of its false 'conperceptions'.
Also, darkness and evil are quite comparable, for the fact that they both have no independent positive existence of their own. Similarly, the two, while not having an actuality of their own, are equally realized as suggestive of the negative halos eventuating in the absence of light and good.

Since: Jan 14

Europe

#853 Apr 4, 2014
fadu singh wrote:
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On the previous post,you're saying good is absence of evil and here you're contradicting yourself.
No please, I said 'evil is the absence of good'. Reread the post in question.

Since: Jan 14

Europe

#854 Apr 4, 2014
fadu singh,
You are not making anything simple; rather, you are adding another dimension to the already complex triangle.
You ended up confusing actuality with reality, and conception with perception.
Good exists in actuality, while we see the good as evil in reality.
Our conception of good as evil in our mind, makes us to perceive the misconceived good as evil around us.
Actuality is natural existence independent of our conscious awareness, while reality is dependent on our inner world.
Our conception is 'seeing' the world within through our inner eyes; whereas, perception is 'seeing' the external world through our physical eyes.
Thinking

Wellingborough, UK

#855 Apr 4, 2014
You imply Humanism is a bad thing.
You are just another religitard.
jide oni wrote:
fadu singh,
You are not making anything simple; rather, you are adding another dimension to the already complex triangle.
You ended up confusing actuality with reality, and conception with perception.
Good exists in actuality, while we see the good as evil in reality.
Our conception of good as evil in our mind, makes us to perceive the misconceived good as evil around us.
Actuality is natural existence independent of our conscious awareness, while reality is dependent on our inner world.
Our conception is 'seeing' the world within through our inner eyes; whereas, perception is 'seeing' the external world through our physical eyes.

Since: Mar 12

Mumbai, India

#856 Apr 5, 2014
jide oni wrote:
fadu singh,
You are not making anything simple; rather, you are adding another dimension to the already complex triangle.
You ended up confusing actuality with reality, and conception with perception.
Good exists in actuality, while we see the good as evil in reality.
Our conception of good as evil in our mind, makes us to perceive the misconceived good as evil around us.
Actuality is natural existence independent of our conscious awareness, while reality is dependent on our inner world.
Our conception is 'seeing' the world within through our inner eyes; whereas, perception is 'seeing' the external world through our physical eyes.
Conception leads to perception and perception doesn't necessarily means the seeing of tangible things.Conception means a notion or idea formed in your mind independently.It could be innate or result of your own contemplation.
While perception is the interpretation of the reality.It could be both physical and abstract.Physical interpretation heavily rely on our sensory organs while interpretation of abstracts depends purely on your notions.Your conception affects your perception of abstracts like good and evil.Good and evil have no objective existence
Our societies are governed by certain moral values our perception of good and evil depends upon these moral values.These moral values or humanistic values are collectively our conception of good and evil .You conceive "painful" and "harmful" experiences as good and hence you see them as good.
Since conceptions are subjective so are the perceptions affected by them.They are not objective reality.
Good and evil doesn't exist inherently no matter how deeply you believe in it. In other words good and evil are subjective.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#857 Apr 5, 2014
jide oni wrote:
NightSerf,
How dare you adduce biblical paraphrasing/allusion to my statements of truth? At any rate, if such eternal truths find correspondences in the bible, that further points to the fact that every system of belief has some truths ingrained within the multitudes of its false 'conperceptions'.
Also, darkness and evil are quite comparable, for the fact that they both have no independent positive existence of their own. Similarly, the two, while not having an actuality of their own, are equally realized as suggestive of the negative halos eventuating in the absence of light and good.
Upsets you, does it? Actually, the only real problem with either Ecclesiastes 3 or your barely coherent ramblings is that they take what is mundanely obvious and try to make it sound profoundly wise. Most of us would just say, "You gotta roll with the punches and take the good with the bad." and let it go at that, but you preachers have to drone on in your golden tones in endless streams of self aggrandizement.

Made for a decent little song, though...

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#858 Apr 5, 2014
Religion wrote:
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I agree with you %100 and hell I'm only 13
Thank you. The bible contains much that is contradictory to it's claimed message. Most other holy books and religions do also. They are easier to sell if the buyer doesn't know the true contents.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#859 Apr 5, 2014
jide oni wrote:
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Yes, creators of the fake gods; but now no creators no creatures, no tithing no offerings.
.. and as always, no god.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#860 Apr 5, 2014
jide oni wrote:
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You lose here.
There is nothing to lose, I simply identified your word salad for exactly what it is.

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Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#861 Apr 5, 2014
jide oni wrote:
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The biblical god not my God.
That doesn't matter, your god is no less man made and just as ridiculous.

Since: Jan 14

Europe

#862 Apr 5, 2014
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>Thank you. The bible contains much that is contradictory to it's claimed message. Most other holy books and religions do also. They are easier to sell if the buyer doesn't know the true contents.
The bible, stone dead as well.

Since: Jan 14

Europe

#863 Apr 5, 2014
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text> .. and as always, no god.
Agreed! No god/gods, excepting my only true God of all.

Since: Jan 14

Europe

#864 Apr 5, 2014
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>There is nothing to lose, I simply identified your word salad for exactly what it is.
And that's just why you lose.

Since: Jan 14

Europe

#865 Apr 5, 2014
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>That doesn't matter, your god is no less man made and just as ridiculous.
Do you mean you are man-made and ridiculous?
Richardfs

Merrylands, Australia

#867 Apr 6, 2014
jide oni wrote:
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Do you mean you are man-made and ridiculous?
Atheism Destroyed At Last!- The Debate Of The Millenium
If yours is the level of Debate Of The Millenium the we atheists have nothing to worry about.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#868 Apr 6, 2014
jide oni wrote:
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Do you mean you are man-made and ridiculous?
Reason Personified wrote: Thank you. The bible contains much that is contradictory to it's claimed message. Most other holy books and religions do also. They are easier to sell if the buyer doesn't know the true contents.

jide oni wrote: The bible, stone dead as well.

Reason Personified wrote: No deader than the gods.

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Reason Personified wrote:.. and as always, no god.

jide oni wrote: Agreed! No god/gods, excepting my only true God of all.

Reason Personified wrote: Sure pigeon, your god is the only real god, just like all the rest.

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Reason Personified wrote: There is nothing to lose, I simply identified your word salad for exactly what it is.
jide oni wrote: And that's just why you lose.

Reason Personified wrote: And thus the pigeon spake .... though nary a word is more than ordure.
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Reason Personified wrote: That doesn't matter, your god is no less man made and just as ridiculous.

jide oni wrote: Do you mean you are man-made and ridiculous?

Reason Personified wrote: Again, I am not your god. And it was both, woman and man who created me.

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82 days of your self-congratulatory posturing, and you have brought nothing to this forum. What a waste you have been ~ click ~

Since: Jan 14

United States

#869 Apr 6, 2014
Richardfs wrote:
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Atheism Destroyed At Last!- The Debate Of The Millenium
If yours is the level of Debate Of The Millenium the we atheists have nothing to worry about.
Much to worry about, even to distraction.

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