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Since: Jan 14

United States

#829 Apr 3, 2014
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>We are the creators of all the gods, it is thier advocates who reap actual benefit of power and riches, it is thier followers whose loads(and wallets) are lightened by the ownership of said gods
Yes, creators of the fake gods; but now no creators no creatures, no tithing no offerings.

Since: Jan 14

United States

#830 Apr 3, 2014
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>Word salad.
You lose here.

Since: Jan 14

United States

#831 Apr 3, 2014
greymouser wrote:
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Yep.
And he (or she) is a skillful troll.
Quite entertaining in the reaction he (or she) is generating.
he

Since: Jan 14

United States

#832 Apr 3, 2014
Religion wrote:
Apparently they aren't perfect because not everyone follows and they were created by a bunch of high fools on crack and worshiped by closed minded people who base everything off pure circumstance
Those decedent worshipable fake gods, yes.

Since: Jan 14

Ashburn, VA

#833 Apr 3, 2014
Religion wrote:
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I agree with you %100 and hell I'm only 13
Yes, the fake god of the dead mythological bible.

Since: Mar 12

Mumbai, India

#834 Apr 4, 2014
jide oni wrote:
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what you call evil are good that are felt as pains, efforts, upward movement etc.
I told you good and evil depends upon your perception.I see certain things as evil.End of story.

Since: Mar 12

Mumbai, India

#835 Apr 4, 2014
jide oni wrote:
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You, as a person, are complete in every respect - microcosm/macrocosm.
I told you I am not perfect.If were perfect,I would be the smartest and strongest person in the world.I would be omniscient like your mythical God.I would have wings to fly.
I may seem perfect to you bur I am not perfect.So is every other person living in this world.

Since: Mar 12

Mumbai, India

#836 Apr 4, 2014
jide oni wrote:
fadu singh,
I think you ought to have understood this unique concept of God as I have attempted to dissect it; At any rate, let me try once again:
God can be imagized as an elephant with various palpable parts. What all believers have been doing about their god is just like the blindmen feeling through the different parts of the elephant and giving to the world narrow, conflicting conception of God.
Whereas, God should be conceived in Its absoluteness as it is the case with the tenth blindman who regained his sight, and was able to grasp the elephant's physical features in its wholeness.
So is God to be conceived,not in parts, but in Its wholeness as all-inclusive and all-embracing. God is neither this nor that, but all things physical and non-physical, temporal and non-temporal etc.
In the absence of any right term in human language to perfectly capture the totality of the infinite,such near-approximate terms like universe, nature, mind and intelligence have been employed as a virtue of necessity.
You are entitled to your believe universe as God as I said earlier God cannot be defined uniquely.You can imagine zillion kinds of Gods as human imagination has no limit.
Your God(universe) does exist but I can't accept it as God.
Your God 'universe' is just a universe for me and nothing more than that. Attributes like omnipotence is not possible and you've got very false understanding about your own God

Since: Jan 14

Ashburn, VA

#837 Apr 4, 2014
fadu singh wrote:
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I told you good and evil depends upon your perception.I see certain things as evil.End of story.
The things you see as evil are good. Not all things have opposites.

Since: Mar 12

Mumbai, India

#838 Apr 4, 2014
jide oni wrote:
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The things you see as evil are good. Not all things have opposites.
Good and evil are opposite to each other.You can' t know what good is without knowing what evil is or vice versa just like you can't know the fact that darkness is absence of light unless you know what light is.
If there is no evil,then you can't say things are good either as good essentially means absence of evil.

Since: Jan 14

Ashburn, VA

#839 Apr 4, 2014
fadu singh wrote:
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I told you I am not perfect.If were perfect,I would be the smartest and strongest person in the world.I would be omniscient like your mythical God.I would have wings to fly.
I may seem perfect to you bur I am not perfect.So is every other person living in this world.
Perfection means completeness. Relatively you are perfect in body.

Since: Mar 12

Mumbai, India

#840 Apr 4, 2014
jide oni wrote:
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Perfection means completeness. Relatively you are perfect in body.
There is nothing called absolute completeness.A semi circle is a complete semi circle but also an incomplete circle.
As far as relative completeness is concerned ,it depends on what your standard of completeness is.
Relatively,I am not perfect.What makes you think I'm perfect?

Since: Jan 14

Ashburn, VA

#841 Apr 4, 2014
fadu singh wrote:
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You are entitled to your believe universe as God as I said earlier God cannot be defined uniquely.You can imagine zillion kinds of Gods as human imagination has no limit.
Your God(universe) does exist but I can't accept it as God.
Your God 'universe' is just a universe for me and nothing more than that. Attributes like omnipotence is not possible and you've got very false understanding about your own God
You are ignorant of many things; but I like your courage.

Since: Jan 14

Ashburn, VA

#842 Apr 4, 2014
fadu singh,
Darkness/evil are the absence of light/good, but not the opposites. As darkness has no positive existence of its own, so also is evil a mere fleeting shadow of good.
For instance, ugliness is the opposite of beauty, while ugliness can never be said to be the absence of beauty.
In other words, while the opposite of beauty is ugliness, its negative is not ugliness, but simply the absence of beauty, i.e.'not beauty'.
In other words still, that you are not beautiful doesn't mean you are ugly, because ugliness is the positive opposite of beauty, while 'not beauty' is a negative absence of beauty.
Evil is not the opposite of good, but the absence of good, where the ensuing emptiness translates into a feeling of emptiness of the pleasurable pleasant experiences, such as pains, deaths, lack etc.
Everything is good, i.e. pleasurable good and painful good, i.e. times for laughter and crying, emptying and filling, resting and toiling, births and deaths, war and victory, day and night, etc. etc.

Since: Jan 14

Ashburn, VA

#843 Apr 4, 2014
fadu singh wrote:
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Good and evil are opposite to each other.You can' t know what good is without knowing what evil is or vice versa just like you can't know the fact that darkness is absence of light unless you know what light is.
If there is no evil,then you can't say things are good either as good essentially means absence of evil.
No, good can never be the absence evil.

Since: Jan 14

Ashburn, VA

#844 Apr 4, 2014
fadu singh wrote:
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There is nothing called absolute completeness.A semi circle is a complete semi circle but also an incomplete circle.
As far as relative completeness is concerned ,it depends on what your standard of completeness is.
Relatively,I am not perfect.What makes you think I'm perfect?
microcosmic completeness vs macrocosmic completeness

Since: Jan 14

Ashburn, VA

#845 Apr 4, 2014
fadu singh wrote:
<quoted text>
There is nothing called absolute completeness.A semi circle is a complete semi circle but also an incomplete circle.
As far as relative completeness is concerned ,it depends on what your standard of completeness is.
Relatively,I am not perfect.What makes you think I'm perfect?
individual completeness - relative, cosmic completeness - absolute

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#846 Apr 4, 2014
jide oni wrote:
fadu singh,
Darkness/evil are the absence of light/good, but not the opposites. As darkness has no positive existence of its own, so also is evil a mere fleeting shadow of good.
For instance, ugliness is the opposite of beauty, while ugliness can never be said to be the absence of beauty.
In other words, while the opposite of beauty is ugliness, its negative is not ugliness, but simply the absence of beauty, i.e.'not beauty'.
In other words still, that you are not beautiful doesn't mean you are ugly, because ugliness is the positive opposite of beauty, while 'not beauty' is a negative absence of beauty.
Evil is not the opposite of good, but the absence of good, where the ensuing emptiness translates into a feeling of emptiness of the pleasurable pleasant experiences, such as pains, deaths, lack etc.
Everything is good, i.e. pleasurable good and painful good, i.e. times for laughter and crying, emptying and filling, resting and toiling, births and deaths, war and victory, day and night, etc. etc.
While it is correct that darkness is an absence of perceptible light, comparing them to good and evil is an inapt analogy. Goodness perpetrates actions and events that have consequences in the real world. To be analogous, evil would have to be devoid of any actions and consequences, but we all know that evil also perpetrate actions and events and that the consequences are often more far-reaching with greater impact on individual lives that good does. If anything, the analogy works better if good is put forward as an absence of evil, but in truth it simply doesn't work at all. The whole concept is bogus. The whole "pleasurable good and painful good" argument is nothing more than a philosophical abstraction and a meaningless one at that.

You have said that you never paraphrase the "dad book" that is the Bible. How, then is "... times for laughter and crying, emptying and filling, resting and toiling, births and deaths, war and victory, day and night, etc. etc." not a paraphrase Of Ecclesiastes 3? Your assertions are much more Bible-based that you are willing to admit.

Since: Mar 12

Mumbai, India

#847 Apr 4, 2014
jide oni wrote:
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No, good can never be the absence evil.
On the previous post,you're saying good is absence of evil and here you're contradicting yourself.

Since: Mar 12

Mumbai, India

#848 Apr 4, 2014
jide oni wrote:
fadu singh,
Darkness/evil are the absence of light/good, but not the opposites. As darkness has no positive existence of its own, so also is evil a mere fleeting shadow of good.
For instance, ugliness is the opposite of beauty, while ugliness can never be said to be the absence of beauty.
In other words, while the opposite of beauty is ugliness, its negative is not ugliness, but simply the absence of beauty, i.e.'not beauty'.
In other words still, that you are not beautiful doesn't mean you are ugly, because ugliness is the positive opposite of beauty, while 'not beauty' is a negative absence of beauty.
Evil is not the opposite of good, but the absence of good, where the ensuing emptiness translates into a feeling of emptiness of the pleasurable pleasant experiences, such as pains, deaths, lack etc.
Everything is good, i.e. pleasurable good and painful good, i.e. times for laughter and crying, emptying and filling, resting and toiling, births and deaths, war and victory, day and night, etc. etc.
Let me make it simple for you.
Evil and Good don't exist inherently but it is actually our own perception of things.Both good and evil doesn't exist.
So it doesn't matter as to what you think evil/good as everyone has got their own perception.
Since you perceive "good things" you must be perceiving/conceiving "evil" as well.It is all in your mind.

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