Atheism Destroyed At Last! - The Deba...

Since: Jan 14

United States

#808 Apr 3, 2014
jide oni wrote:
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An omnipotent God will not allow evil, except if it is a good God.
...except if it is a good God.--> except if It is not a good God.

Since: Jan 14

United States

#809 Apr 3, 2014
Electrical Engineer wrote:
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Those with cosmic consciousness have been known to use drugs. I found that out by googling the words.
I assume you live in an imaginary world most of the time.
artificially induced state of nirvana?

Since: Jan 14

United States

#810 Apr 3, 2014
fadu singh wrote:
<quoted text>What purpose does it serve?
The perfect ideal state of being innately ingrained in man.

Since: Jan 14

United States

#811 Apr 3, 2014
fadu singh wrote:
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So do you think this universe is perfect?If yes,then show me at least one aspect of universe that seems to be perfect to you.
the totality of your person; each cell in your system; a plant in its wholeness.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#812 Apr 3, 2014
jide oni wrote:
fadu singh,
Evil can have positive existence only where a good god has no power to prevent it, or where the god has power over evil, but he is not good.
Whereas, we know that, for there to be God at all, It must be good and all-powerful. And if so, then evil remains non-existent.
The concept 'evil' conveys to us an idea of inharmony, imperfection, injustice, distruption of peace, harmful puposeless chance occurrences and painful real life experiences of the earthly man.
Whereas, the above experientially undesirables, among many others, are essentially good in the sense that they stand in opposition to their positively desirable versions, as the shadow cast by light, or as the sleepy night that reenergizes the system in preparation for the activities of the wakeful day.
All such so-called evils can be neologized as 'painful good' against their desirable positives as 'pleasurable good'.
For further reading on the topic, see my posts of 24 March, in my other thread:'Introducing The Universal Religion'.
If "evil" is defined only as misfortune, it is more logical to conclude that the god you describe does not exist than that it has no power to prevent evil or that it mitigates evil, incorporating it into a larger and ultimately good (i.e. fortunate) pattern. The only way to overcome that logic is with direct evidence that your god does what you say. More pronouncements do not suffice, but that, so far, is all you have offered.

Evidence.

Reason.

Logic.

Or no QED.

Since: Mar 12

Mumbai, India

#813 Apr 3, 2014
jide oni wrote:
fadu singh,
Evil can have positive existence only where a good god has no power to prevent it, or where the god has power over evil, but he is not good.
Whereas, we know that, for there to be God at all, It must be good and all-powerful. And if so, then evil remains non-existent.
The concept 'evil' conveys to us an idea of inharmony, imperfection, injustice, distruption of peace, harmful puposeless chance occurrences and painful real life experiences of the earthly man.
Whereas, the above experientially undesirables, among many others, are essentially good in the sense that they stand in opposition to their positively desirable versions, as the shadow cast by light, or as the sleepy night that reenergizes the system in preparation for the activities of the wakeful day.
All such so-called evils can be neologized as 'painful good' against their desirable positives as 'pleasurable good'.
For further reading on the topic, see my posts of 24 March, in my other thread:'Introducing The Universal Religion'.
First of all you haven't given a single reason yet why universe should be treated as "God".All you've been doing is description of your version of God.It is pretty irrelevant as to what your God is unless you give a good reason why universe should be treated as God.
So,it is pretty irrelevant to us atheists as to what you believe in.
Secondly,there is nothing "evil" and "good" either.It is all our subjective interpretation.What seems good to a person may not be good to another.
But even with the realms of subjectivity,you can't define or identify "good" without evil.If you say evil doesn't exist than "good" things doesn't exist either as both are complement and exist together.
For example,if you say "murdering a person" is not evil than the diametrically opposite act,i.e., saving a person should be an evil deed.Evil and good are exactly opposite and you do know both homicides and rescue of lives happen in this world.
You can't call both are good unless you have got your own unique understanding of good and bad.You can't generalize your own perception of good and bad.

Since: Jan 14

United States

#814 Apr 3, 2014
NightSerf wrote:
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If "evil" is defined only as misfortune, it is more logical to conclude that the god you describe does not exist than that it has no power to prevent evil or that it mitigates evil, incorporating it into a larger and ultimately good (i.e. fortunate) pattern. The only way to overcome that logic is with direct evidence that your god does what you say. More pronouncements do not suffice, but that, so far, is all you have offered.
Evidence.
Reason.
Logic.
Or no QED.
An instance of evil misfortune?

Since: Mar 12

Mumbai, India

#815 Apr 3, 2014
jide oni wrote:
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The perfect ideal state of being innately ingrained in man.
When I mean universe I mean everything within the boundaries of spacetime.
Why do we exist?Why does your God(universe in entirety) exist?Why there is something rather than nothing?
Human beings have consciousness but there is no scientific proof in favor of the speculation that any inanimate objects have mental aspect.So your argument universe having consciousness is lame and pointless unless you have evidences.
Ideal or perfect can never be more than an opinion as each person has got his own benchmarks of perfection and ideals.So defining "universe" or humans to be perfect is pretty lame.In my opinion.humans are inferior compared to my benchmarks of perfections.

Since: Mar 12

Mumbai, India

#816 Apr 3, 2014
jide oni wrote:
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the totality of your person; each cell in your system; a plant in its wholeness.
As a person I would have considered myself perfect if I knew everything,if I were the physically the strongest person in the world.Since I am neither,I am not perfect.And since I am part of universe,universe is not perfect or in other words your God is not perfect.
As I told in one of my posts before perfect can never be more than opinion.In my opinion,your God is not perfect since I am not perfect

Since: Mar 12

Mumbai, India

#817 Apr 3, 2014
NightSerf wrote:
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If "evil" is defined only as misfortune, it is more logical to conclude that the god you describe does not exist than that it has no power to prevent evil or that it mitigates evil, incorporating it into a larger and ultimately good (i.e. fortunate) pattern. The only way to overcome that logic is with direct evidence that your god does what you say. More pronouncements do not suffice, but that, so far, is all you have offered.
Evidence.
Reason.
Logic.
Or no QED.
Good point.
The fact is you wouldn't call anything "good" if evil doesn't exist.
You wouldn't understand what "darkness" is if there was no light in universe.Since both
"darkness" and "light" exists one could distinguish both and recognize the fact that one is absence of the other
Similarly you wouldn't be calling good happenings as good happening unless you know what evil happenings are as good means absence(partial) of evil.If evil doesn't exist you can't know what absence of evil is .
Hence with the total absence of evil from the entire universe then it is not possible to recognize good .
Hence jide oni's theory of good and evil is BS!

Since: Jan 14

United States

#818 Apr 3, 2014
fadu singh,
I think you ought to have understood this unique concept of God as I have attempted to dissect it; At any rate, let me try once again:
God can be imagized as an elephant with various palpable parts. What all believers have been doing about their god is just like the blindmen feeling through the different parts of the elephant and giving to the world narrow, conflicting conception of God.
Whereas, God should be conceived in Its absoluteness as it is the case with the tenth blindman who regained his sight, and was able to grasp the elephant's physical features in its wholeness.
So is God to be conceived,not in parts, but in Its wholeness as all-inclusive and all-embracing. God is neither this nor that, but all things physical and non-physical, temporal and non-temporal etc.
In the absence of any right term in human language to perfectly capture the totality of the infinite,such near-approximate terms like universe, nature, mind and intelligence have been employed as a virtue of necessity.

Since: Jan 14

United States

#819 Apr 3, 2014
fadu singh wrote:
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When I mean universe I mean everything within the boundaries of spacetime.
Why do we exist?Why does your God(universe in entirety) exist?Why there is something rather than nothing?
Human beings have consciousness but there is no scientific proof in favor of the speculation that any inanimate objects have mental aspect.So your argument universe having consciousness is lame and pointless unless you have evidences.
Ideal or perfect can never be more than an opinion as each person has got his own benchmarks of perfection and ideals.So defining "universe" or humans to be perfect is pretty lame.In my opinion.humans are inferior compared to my benchmarks of perfections.
Universe is used to include all its contents, human/non-human.

Since: Jan 14

United States

#820 Apr 3, 2014
fadu singh wrote:
<quoted text>
As a person I would have considered myself perfect if I knew everything,if I were the physically the strongest person in the world.Since I am neither,I am not perfect.And since I am part of universe,universe is not perfect or in other words your God is not perfect.
As I told in one of my posts before perfect can never be more than opinion.In my opinion,your God is not perfect since I am not perfect
You, as a person, are complete in every respect - microcosm/macrocosm.

Since: Jan 14

United States

#821 Apr 3, 2014
fadu singh wrote:
<quoted text>
As a person I would have considered myself perfect if I knew everything,if I were the physically the strongest person in the world.Since I am neither,I am not perfect.And since I am part of universe,universe is not perfect or in other words your God is not perfect.
As I told in one of my posts before perfect can never be more than opinion.In my opinion,your God is not perfect since I am not perfect
God's perfection: Completeness with nothing missing.

Since: Jan 14

United States

#822 Apr 3, 2014
fadu singh wrote:
<quoted text>Good point.
The fact is you wouldn't call anything "good" if evil doesn't exist.
You wouldn't understand what "darkness" is if there was no light in universe.Since both
"darkness" and "light" exists one could distinguish both and recognize the fact that one is absence of the other
Similarly you wouldn't be calling good happenings as good happening unless you know what evil happenings are as good means absence(partial) of evil.If evil doesn't exist you can't know what absence of evil is .
Hence with the total absence of evil from the entire universe then it is not possible to recognize good .
Hence jide oni's theory of good and evil is BS!
what you call evil are good that are felt as pains, efforts, upward movement etc.

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Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#823 Apr 3, 2014
jide oni wrote:
<quoted text>
No god, nothing. We are, all of us, God in human expression.
We are the creators of all the gods, it is thier advocates who reap actual benefit of power and riches, it is thier followers whose loads(and wallets) are lightened by the ownership of said gods

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Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#824 Apr 3, 2014
jide oni wrote:
<quoted text>
No harm meant. Atheistic view of purposeless existence refers.
Word salad.

“Right click Left click Yay!”

Since: Dec 10

Nehwon

#825 Apr 3, 2014
EdSed wrote:
Surely this must be a troll:<quoted text>Lol!
People are talking to this guy as if he's serious.
Religion = superstition
Yep.

And he (or she) is a skillful troll.

Quite entertaining in the reaction he (or she) is generating.
Religion

West Springfield, MA

#827 Apr 3, 2014
Apparently they aren't perfect because not everyone follows and they were created by a bunch of high fools on crack and worshiped by closed minded people who base everything off pure circumstance
Religion

West Springfield, MA

#828 Apr 3, 2014
Reason Personified wrote:
Every human is born atheist(without theism, it is what the word means), and no one will ever destroy that.
Matt. 7:15-16 "A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit".
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all ...
<<<<<< That is the buybull god telling us that he is pure crap.
Now if you want to sell us something, how about something that is actually beneficial to mankind? Your god is an embarrassment ... you do know about his fetish for golden dipped hemorrhoids and lopped off foreskins, don't you?
I agree with you %100 and hell I'm only 13

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