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“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#788 Apr 3, 2014
jide oni wrote:
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godless humanism, purposeless life.
Only I can deem my life as purposeful or not, for it is my call to make, not yours. Add to that you are not qualified to judge it either.

Your swill is not selling here, and I will not be abused because you have chosen to this forum to hawk. All lives are godless, that is not going to change. And purpose is an individual thing, is this your purpose, to sell your newly minted great big nothing of a god?

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#789 Apr 3, 2014
jide oni wrote:
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The three essentials to make a perfect humanist.
Well since you've got you, and you've got your personal so called "universal" religion, and you have the big do nothing god crap, in your own eyes how could you be anything less than perfect? Humanist? Maybe not. It's looking more an more as if "individualist", might be more appropiate.

I'd suggest it's high time you paste a gold star onto your forehead.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#790 Apr 3, 2014
jide oni wrote:
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a do-nothing you?
Sooner or later you might even get this ... I am not your god. I impact my planet, not so your god.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#791 Apr 3, 2014
jide oni wrote:
The certitude that there is a protective, beneficial, life-sustaining and life-ward force at the background of every step one takes in life, further enables one to experience at least an illusion of peace, if not in actuality.
Whereas, groping through life without any purposive, guiding and life-sustaining principle back of every step an atheist takes, further robs him of the joy that comes of absolute confidence that one is not alone.
Certitude may be comforting, but it has nothing to do with reality. The idea that without such certitude, life lacks purpose is ridiculous. Living with eyes open to reality without the distortions of certitude about what is far from certain has purpose in itself. Added to this is the purpose that each person chooses to pursue on his/her own initiative, creating a path to fulfillment based on unadorned reality.

Peace comes from two places that I know of. Inner peace comes from self-knowledge, self-direction, and self-control that is born of meditation. There is nothing mystical about this. It comes from taking the time to listen to the inner workings of ones own mind, understanding and integrating cognitive and emotional centers. This level of understanding makes it possible to all but eliminate such negative emotions as anger and fear from one's being, allowing momentary and ephemeral reactions to fade quickly and naturally so that no lingering ones fester into neuroses. This allows positive emotions to prevail. Since those negative emotions also impair cognitive functions, the peace that comes from healing them also allows rationality to flourish.

Outer peace comes from positive emotions as well. They allow empathy to take its proper place in relationships so that one is consistently kind, generous, and helpful to others. Friendships deepen and even adversarial relationships are tempered with courtesy. As a result, one is surrounded by loving friends, family relationships are close, and the respect that is extended to all is returned in kind. There is no way to be more certain that one is not alone than to develop and nourish loving relationships.

In the context of religion, certitude is the same as unshakable faith. The problem with that is that it encourages easy answers to the few difficult questions that it allows to arise at all. Without such questioning, the quest for knowledge is half-hearted at best. Often it comes to an end altogether. Our society can only continue advancing if it is powered by the engine of ever-increasing knowledge, which is in turn fueled by the cycle of questions leading to answers that lead to more questions. Certitude stops that process in its tracks.

Inner and outer peace and adventures in the quest for knowledge. What could possibly be more fulfilling or more purposeful that that?

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#792 Apr 3, 2014
jide oni wrote:
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Universe, body of all/god; universal Mind, mind of all/god; etc.
Your universal religion drivel and do nothing god-myth is pure swill.

Since: Mar 12

Mumbai, India

#793 Apr 3, 2014
jide oni wrote:
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Universe, a material part of immanent existence, i.e. the physical side of God.
Prove it

Since: Jan 14

Europe

#794 Apr 3, 2014
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>Only I can deem my life as purposeful or not, for it is my call to make, not yours. Add to that you are not qualified to judge it either.
Your swill is not selling here, and I will not be abused because you have chosen to this forum to hawk. All lives are godless, that is not going to change. And purpose is an individual thing, is this your purpose, to sell your newly minted great big nothing of a god?
No harm meant. Atheistic view of purposeless existence refers.

Since: Mar 12

Mumbai, India

#795 Apr 3, 2014
jide oni wrote:
The incompatibility of omnipotence of God with Its benevolence is outright dissolved with an absence of evil in all of existence.
I have proved evil out of existence. Perhaps you guys didn't have any counter-proof, so I have decided to let it lie.
Now, let me set at it for the umpteenth time:
There is nothing in existence that is not purposive, even the death of a day-old is well purposed for the parents victims thereof - painful karmic deserts for self-appraisal towards self-improvement.
The following is a repeat of a previous post in this respect:
How does existence of evil is related to omnipotence?Omnipotence has nothing to do with evil.
And perhaps if you're sure existence of every physical entity is purposeful then you should be knowing the reason why the entire universe exists in first place?
What is the purpose of the universe?

Since: Jan 14

Europe

#796 Apr 3, 2014
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>Well since you've got you, and you've got your personal so called "universal" religion, and you have the big do nothing god crap, in your own eyes how could you be anything less than perfect? Humanist? Maybe not. It's looking more an more as if "individualist", might be more appropiate.
I'd suggest it's high time you paste a gold star onto your forehead.
No god, nothing. We are, all of us, God in human expression.

Since: Jan 14

Europe

#797 Apr 3, 2014
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>Sooner or later you might even get this ... I am not your god. I impact my planet, not so your god.
We are all God in human form.

Since: Jan 14

Europe

#798 Apr 3, 2014
fadu singh wrote:
<quoted text>Prove it
Perfect concepts of a perfect Being, must include Its physical all-inclusiveness.

Since: Jan 14

Europe

#799 Apr 3, 2014
fadu singh wrote:
<quoted text>How does existence of evil is related to omnipotence?Omnipotence has nothing to do with evil.
And perhaps if you're sure existence of every physical entity is purposeful then you should be knowing the reason why the entire universe exists in first place?
What is the purpose of the universe?
An omnipotent God will not allow evil, except if it is a good God.

Since: Mar 12

Mumbai, India

#800 Apr 3, 2014
jide oni wrote:
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Perfect concepts of a perfect Being, must include Its physical all-inclusiveness.
Define perfect and why do you think an existing God must be perfect?

Since: Jan 14

Europe

#801 Apr 3, 2014
fadu singh wrote:
<quoted text>How does existence of evil is related to omnipotence?Omnipotence has nothing to do with evil.
And perhaps if you're sure existence of every physical entity is purposeful then you should be knowing the reason why the entire universe exists in first place?
What is the purpose of the universe?
Collective Cosmic Consciousness or Illumination.

Since: Mar 12

Mumbai, India

#802 Apr 3, 2014
jide oni wrote:
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An omnipotent God will not allow evil, except if it is a good God.
I guess you meant a bad God instead of a good God.
Anyways,omnipotence has nothing to do with evil still..You're mistaking omnibenevolence with omnipotence.Again showing up your ignorance.
What do you mean by evil and why it doesn't exist?

Since: Mar 12

Mumbai, India

#803 Apr 3, 2014
jide oni wrote:
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Collective Cosmic Consciousness or Illumination.
What purpose does it serve?

Since: Jan 14

Europe

#804 Apr 3, 2014
fadu singh wrote:
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Define perfect and why do you think an existing God must be perfect?
perfect: Complete with nothing to be added or improved on any further.

“BAS in Electrical Engineering”

Since: Jan 14

Location hidden

#805 Apr 3, 2014
jide oni wrote:
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Collective Cosmic Consciousness or Illumination.
Those with cosmic consciousness have been known to use drugs. I found that out by googling the words.
I assume you live in an imaginary world most of the time.

Since: Mar 12

Mumbai, India

#806 Apr 3, 2014
jide oni wrote:
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perfect: Complete with nothing to be added or improved on any further.
So do you think this universe is perfect?If yes,then show me at least one aspect of universe that seems to be perfect to you.

Since: Jan 14

Europe

#807 Apr 3, 2014
fadu singh,
Evil can have positive existence only where a good god has no power to prevent it, or where the god has power over evil, but he is not good.
Whereas, we know that, for there to be God at all, It must be good and all-powerful. And if so, then evil remains non-existent.
The concept 'evil' conveys to us an idea of inharmony, imperfection, injustice, distruption of peace, harmful puposeless chance occurrences and painful real life experiences of the earthly man.
Whereas, the above experientially undesirables, among many others, are essentially good in the sense that they stand in opposition to their positively desirable versions, as the shadow cast by light, or as the sleepy night that reenergizes the system in preparation for the activities of the wakeful day.
All such so-called evils can be neologized as 'painful good' against their desirable positives as 'pleasurable good'.
For further reading on the topic, see my posts of 24 March, in my other thread:'Introducing The Universal Religion'.

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