Atheism Destroyed At Last! - The Deba...

Since: Mar 12

Mumbai, India

#765 Apr 1, 2014
NightSerf wrote:
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What, just because you say so? Arguments from authority violate the rules of logic even when those cited are truly authoritative. How much more so when someone with no demonstrable expertise in anything issues such pronouncements as "The erstwhile omnipotence paradox, now stands dissolved."?
It doesn't even make sense. "Erstwhile?" Really? "Dissolved"? How? By whom? Its logic is sound, and it can only be disproven with even better logic, while you have shown no facility with logic at all. Every attempt at logic that I've seen in your posts contains at least on glaring non sequitur.
You cannot dismiss a well-know and widely accepted logical conclusion with a simple pronouncement. As as been the case with you so far, it requires work that you are unwilling and probably incapable of doing.
He has a very poor comprehension of omnipotence.You can't discuss on a topic with a person who is ignorant of the subject and has poor grasping skills.

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Since: Dec 10

Nehwon

#766 Apr 1, 2014
jide oni wrote:
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Supernatural god does not exist.
Ahh, I see.

Please continue.

You are more entertaining than TV..

Since: Jan 14

Europe

#767 Apr 2, 2014
The incompatibility of omnipotence of God with Its benevolence is outright dissolved with an absence of evil in all of existence.
I have proved evil out of existence. Perhaps you guys didn't have any counter-proof, so I have decided to let it lie.
Now, let me set at it for the umpteenth time:
There is nothing in existence that is not purposive, even the death of a day-old is well purposed for the parents victims thereof - painful karmic deserts for self-appraisal towards self-improvement.
The following is a repeat of a previous post in this respect:

Since: Jan 14

United States

#768 Apr 2, 2014
Please go to my second thread here in Topix i.e.'Introducing The Universal Religion', March 24: Nightserf, Is there evil?... & continuation, Let it be known...

Since: Jan 14

United States

#769 Apr 2, 2014
fadu singh wrote:
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You're moving in a circle.You're giving a definition of your version of 'God'.This is not a reason to believe in your God.
Give me a reason why universe should be called 'God'.
Universe, a material part of immanent existence, i.e. the physical side of God.

Since: Jan 14

United States

#770 Apr 2, 2014
fadu singh wrote:
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He has a very poor comprehension of omnipotence.You can't discuss on a topic with a person who is ignorant of the subject and has poor grasping skills.
Self-portrait?

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Since: Dec 10

Nehwon

#771 Apr 2, 2014
jide oni wrote:
The incompatibility of omnipotence of God with Its benevolence is outright dissolved with an absence of evil in all of existence.
I have proved evil out of existence. Perhaps you guys didn't have any counter-proof, so I have decided to let it lie.
Now, let me set at it for the umpteenth time:
There is nothing in existence that is not purposive, even the death of a day-old is well purposed for the parents victims thereof - painful karmic deserts for self-appraisal towards self-improvement.
The following is a repeat of a previous post in this respect:
You may repeat yourself umpteenth times +1, but you will never approach the infinity of the wisdom of the omnipotent God to do evil for good.

God help us all when karma turns its fickle eye towards God.

Then we will see wormsign the likes of which even God has never seen.

Since: Jan 14

United States

#772 Apr 2, 2014
greymouser wrote:
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Ahh, I see.
Please continue.
You are more entertaining than TV..
Who can give me an example of any real supernatural entity?

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#773 Apr 2, 2014
jide oni wrote:
The incompatibility of omnipotence of God with Its benevolence is outright dissolved with an absence of evil in all of existence.
I have proved evil out of existence. Perhaps you guys didn't have any counter-proof, so I have decided to let it lie.
Now, let me set at it for the umpteenth time:
There is nothing in existence that is not purposive, even the death of a day-old is well purposed for the parents victims thereof - painful karmic deserts for self-appraisal towards self-improvement.
The following is a repeat of a previous post in this respect:
No, you haven't "proved evil out of existence," you've only claimed that you have. Claiming to do something is not the same as doing it. Ironically, as long as we were using the same definition of the word, I was ready to agree.

Let me provide definitions of the evil that I do not believe exists.

1. Evil as a spiritual force that influences people so that they commit acts of violence and cruelty. I believe that when people harm others, the motivation comes from their own volition.

2. Evil as an element of human nature, and innate state of being "bad to the bone." I believe that there are forms of mental illness that can mimic such a state, but that no one is evil by nature.

3. Evil as embodied by Satan and his minions. Since Satan does not exist, no evil can flow from him or his equally nonexistent minions.

4. Evil as a social phenomenon.. societies can get caught up in all kinds of craziness, but always under the delusion that the harm that they do now will improve things in the future. Crazy, but not evil.

Does this mean that I see the world as a perfect place? Hardly! But the flaws in society and the people who make it up can be better described with more precise words like greed, anger, malice, indifference, and various forms of criminal intent.

The problem with the word, "evil" is that is to vague, to generic to be applied to reality with any meaning. It is also to strongly tied to the Christian idea of offending God and to sin, which I also don't believe is real.

Evil has nothing to do with death or simple misfortune, which are normal elements of life. The unreality of evil does not bolster arguments for the existence of deities of any sort. Quite the opposite. A universe where the twists of fortune are normal variations in life is much more consistent with a universe devoid of deities.

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Now lets have a look at the paradox of omnipotence. It really has little to do with its conflict with benevolence since a deity would not necessarily have our best interests in mind. Omnipotence is inherently self-contradictory. The irresistible force / immovable object dilemma is only one such paradox. There are others. The ultimate conclusion is that omnipotence is an impossibility.

The problem with the universal religion that you promote is that it is based on the idea of a god that is really no different than no god at all. The totality of the universe is exactly that--the universe. It is not a deity. It evidences no will and manifests nothing that would not be expected in the absence of a deity.

No evidence.

No logic.

No QED.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#774 Apr 2, 2014
Surely this must be a troll:
jide oni wrote:
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..give me an example of any real supernatural entity?
Lol!

People are talking to this guy as if he's serious.

Religion = superstition

Since: Feb 14

Tejgaon, Bangladesh

#775 Apr 2, 2014
EdSed wrote:
Surely this must be a troll:<quoted text>Lol!
People are talking to this guy as if he's serious.
Religion = superstition
Who knows it might not be a troll... Maybe some kind of weirdo believing there is a man in the sky watching us all, all the time, from verye freakign angle...

Since: Jan 14

Europe

#776 Apr 2, 2014
EdSed wrote:
Surely this must be a troll:<quoted text>Lol!
People are talking to this guy as if he's serious.
Religion = superstition
'...as if he's not serious', you mean to say?

Since: Jan 14

Europe

#777 Apr 2, 2014
Elixz wrote:
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Who knows it might not be a troll... Maybe some kind of weirdo believing there is a man in the sky watching us all, all the time, from verye freakign angle...
just the exact opposite

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Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#778 Apr 2, 2014
jide oni wrote:
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As I have already stated, you will soon accept the God I am presenting to you,
Bullshit. You are going to play at being humanist, but with some ill-defined god. We do well at being humanist without the addition of any god myth, and have been doing so for decades.

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Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#779 Apr 2, 2014
jide oni wrote:
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Yes, until now.
americanhumanist.org/
www.loc.gov/exhibits/vatican/humanism.html
www.info.com/Sciences_&_Humanities
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanist
ontariohumanists.ca/
https://humanism.org.uk/
humanist-society.org/humanist-celebrant-state...
You are a day late and a dollar short again. In the last link above, you will find my real name, if you search long enough that is. You see I have been a humanist for some time, and I am ordained in my state to marry and bury my friends and family. Your so called religion is what I already have, just minus you, the religion name and the god crap.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#780 Apr 2, 2014
fadu singh wrote:
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And even such true god exists,he wouldn't be omnipotent.
He is selling humanism with an semi-detached do-nothing god.

Since: Jan 14

Europe

#781 Apr 2, 2014
The certitude that there is a protective, beneficial, life-sustaining and life-ward force at the background of every step one takes in life, further enables one to experience at least an illusion of peace, if not in actuality.
Whereas, groping through life without any purposive, guiding and life-sustaining principle back of every step an atheist takes, further robs him of the joy that comes of absolute confidence that one is not alone.

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Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#782 Apr 2, 2014
jide oni wrote:
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Universe is a near approximation of God, such as Nature, Mind, Intelligence etc.
jide oni wrote:
"There is God, and God is everything - all-powerful, all-knowing, present everywhere, good, just and unchanging."

God is everything - all-powerful, all-knowing, present everywhere, good, just and unchanging?

So universe is everything - all-powerful, all-knowing, present everywhere, good, just and unchanging?

And nature is is everything - all-powerful, all-knowing, present everywhere, good, just and unchanging too? Really?

Or mind is everything - all-powerful, all-knowing, present everywhere, good, just and unchanging?

Or intelligence maybe, is everything - all-powerful, all-knowing, present everywhere, good, just and unchanging?

etc as god, now that might be the truth.

Since: Jan 14

United States

#783 Apr 2, 2014
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>Bullshit. You are going to play at being humanist, but with some ill-defined god. We do well at being humanist without the addition of any god myth, and have been doing so for decades.
godless humanism, purposeless life.

Since: Jan 14

United States

#785 Apr 2, 2014
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text> americanhumanist.org/
www.loc.gov/exhibits/vatican/humanism.html
www.info.com/Sciences_&_Humanities
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanist
ontariohumanists.ca/
https://humanism.org.uk/
humanist-society.org/humanist-celebrant-state...
You are a day late and a dollar short again. In the last link above, you will find my real name, if you search long enough that is. You see I have been a humanist for some time, and I am ordained in my state to marry and bury my friends and family. Your so called religion is what I already have, just minus you, the religion name and the god crap.
The three essentials to make a perfect humanist.

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