Thinking

Stockbridge, UK

#498 Mar 22, 2014
I guess he's a ****.
fadu singh wrote:
<quoted text>I guess he is a non-religious pantheist.Non-religious pantheists generally do not attribute any superlatives to God like religions do.Pantheism is just a belief that universe itself is a self-conscious God.
You're right though.You can neither deny nor accept pantheism as there would be nothing to evaluate if one doesn't tell the characteristics of such God.
I have read some articles & blogs on pantheism and they are pretty much obscure.
I guess in such cases when no can decide as to what is right and wrong,everybody is entitled to uphold their belief and convictions

Since: Jan 14

Europe

#499 Mar 22, 2014
Folks,
I am not a pantheist, a theist, an agnostic, an atheist, nor yet any religionist or non-religionist that has ever answered any given description under the sky.
My concept of God as you would notice below aptly situates me outside of any limiting and inconsistent philosophy of life:
God is the totality of all conceivable things - physical and non-physical, temporal and non-temporal (spaceless/timeless)- in short, everything and nothing;
Anything considered discretely on its own is a microcosm of the all, the macrocosmic actuality.
God is the universal intelligence, i.e. every conceivable shade of intelligence ever possessed and manifestly expressed by anybody/anything, be it in the present, in the past or yet to be expressed in the future.
God is the universal mind, i.e. the totality of all conceivable minds - conscious, subjective, subconscious and superconscious - such that man's mind for instance is a natural corresponding microcosm of the larger cosmic mind.
All conceivable...(to be contd).

Since: Jan 14

Europe

#500 Mar 22, 2014
All conceivable matter is the body of God, of which every living thing/non-living thing is a part.
One of the absolute attributes of God, i.e. omnipresence, is quite evident here, in the sense that wherever you might be or think of, in the material sense, part(s) of God must be there, at least if God is all-inclusive as It must.
Let it be known that any concept of God that excludes Its all-inclusiveness, is absolutely unacceptable, because to conceive of a God that is surpassed downwards, upwards, leftwards or rightwards, by anything at all, is to detract from Its almightiness.
God is all-embracing, accommodating within Its limitless 'confines' all conceivable 'opposite' polarities: endlessness and beginninglessness of all things, pleasurable good and painful good, ups and downs, births and deaths,'excess' and 'lack', sadness and joy, painful deserts and pleasurable recompense, and all other possible manifest operations of the laws of nature, that constrain man to adduce chance occurrence to existence.

“There is no god!”

Since: Jun 12

Södertälje, Sweden

#501 Mar 22, 2014
God does not exist!

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#502 Mar 22, 2014
fadu singh wrote:
<quoted text>I guess he is a non-religious pantheist.Non-religious pantheists generally do not attribute any superlatives to God like religions do.Pantheism is just a belief that universe itself is a self-conscious God.
You're right though.You can neither deny nor accept pantheism as there would be nothing to evaluate if one doesn't tell the characteristics of such God.
I have read some articles & blogs on pantheism and they are pretty much obscure.
I guess in such cases when no can decide as to what is right and wrong,everybody is entitled to uphold their belief and convictions
A god with no describable or discernible attributes is also indistinguishable from no god at all. Given that, to a skeptic, the latter is so much more probable that nonbelief is the only logical response.

Since: Jan 14

Europe

#503 Mar 22, 2014
NightSerf wrote:
<quoted text>
Each religion ascribes specific attributes to its deity of choice, making it possible to evaluate each one using logic based on the principles of science. Thus far, no religions that I know of have been able to show that the god that they believe in is possible within those parameters. Jide oni is trying to sidestep the process by making his God so nebulous that there is nothing to evaluate.
No sale.
...nothing to disprove. Good sale!

Since: Jan 14

Europe

#504 Mar 22, 2014
fadu singh wrote:
<quoted text>I guess he is a non-religious pantheist.Non-religious pantheists generally do not attribute any superlatives to God like religions do.Pantheism is just a belief that universe itself is a self-conscious God.
You're right though.You can neither deny nor accept pantheism as there would be nothing to evaluate if one doesn't tell the characteristics of such God.
I have read some articles & blogs on pantheism and they are pretty much obscure.
I guess in such cases when no can decide as to what is right and wrong,everybody is entitled to uphold their belief and convictions
God is perfect, omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, good, just and unchanging.

Since: Jan 14

Europe

#505 Mar 22, 2014
NightSerf wrote:
<quoted text>
A god with no describable or discernible attributes is also indistinguishable from no god at all. Given that, to a skeptic, the latter is so much more probable that nonbelief is the only logical response.
I know beyond belief that God manifests all conceivable perfect attributes.

Since: Mar 12

Devil's hometown

#506 Mar 22, 2014
jide oni wrote:
<quoted text>
God is perfect, omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, good, just and unchanging.
At one hand you're describing God in a way a pantheist would do.On the other hand,you're denying that you're a pantheist.
What are you trying to say,mate?

Since: Mar 12

Devil's hometown

#507 Mar 22, 2014
NightSerf wrote:
<quoted text>
A god with no describable or discernible attributes is also indistinguishable from no god at all. Given that, to a skeptic, the latter is so much more probable that nonbelief is the only logical response.
Do agree.Atheism is more logical as you can't bet on a God that you don't understand or are not sure about.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#508 Mar 22, 2014
jide oni wrote:
<quoted text>
God is perfect, omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, good, just and unchanging.
Now you're getting into some of the attributes that have disqualified other concepts of God. Questions:

How is your god's omnipotence manifested? Omnipotence implies a sentience and intent that generates willful action. Describe that action.

Define omniscience in the context above and describe how it is manifested in your god.

"Good," like "evil" has to broad a range of meanings to be usefully descriptive. Specifically, how is your god good?

Justice also requires active will. Describe how that will is expressed. Please don't repeat the assertions about karma and reincarnation, which you have thus far failed/refused to substantiate and which are beside the point. Tell me what your god does, what action he takes to promote and enforce justice. Do this without the farfetched and obviously fictional scenarios you've previously projected. Stay in the real world for this one.

Unchanging? Change is one of the essential qualities of all of reality. The universe has changed enormously within the span that are possible to reconstruct. THis alone disqualifies your god. If he IS a universe in constant flux, he cannot be unchanging.

You are not making headway. Truthfully, you are not even making sense.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#509 Mar 22, 2014
fadu singh wrote:
<quoted text>
Do agree.Atheism is more logical as you can't bet on a God that you don't understand or are not sure about.
For me, it's not about betting, winning, or losing. It's about understanding and the adventure of discovery. Logic is a tool, no, more than that--it's the engine that speeds us on the path of discovery using evidence as its fuel. For me, gods and religions are failed hypotheses, nothing more roadside litter on the great journey.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#510 Mar 22, 2014
jide oni wrote:
Folks,
I am not a pantheist, a theist, an agnostic, an atheist, nor yet any religionist or non-religionist that has ever answered any given description under the sky.
My concept of God as you would notice below aptly situates me outside of any limiting and inconsistent philosophy of life:
God is the totality of all conceivable things - physical and non-physical, temporal and non-temporal (spaceless/timeless)- in short, everything and nothing;
Anything considered discretely on its own is a microcosm of the all, the macrocosmic actuality.
God is the universal intelligence, i.e. every conceivable shade of intelligence ever possessed and manifestly expressed by anybody/anything, be it in the present, in the past or yet to be expressed in the future.
God is the universal mind, i.e. the totality of all conceivable minds - conscious, subjective, subconscious and superconscious - such that man's mind for instance is a natural corresponding microcosm of the larger cosmic mind.
All conceivable...(to be contd).
Wrong, wrong, wrong. As long as there is even one theism, anywhere that you are not partaking of, you are atheist. Being atheist is simply not being a theist, as long as theism exists, everyone not jumping on that particular bandwagon is atheist.

Since: Mar 12

Devil's hometown

#511 Mar 22, 2014
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>Wrong, wrong, wrong. As long as there is even one theism, anywhere that you are not partaking of, you are atheist. Being atheist is simply not being a theist, as long as theism exists, everyone not jumping on that particular bandwagon is atheist.
Perhaps he doesn't know as to what Atheism means.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#512 Mar 22, 2014
fadu singh wrote:
<quoted text>Perhaps he doesn't know as to what Atheism means.
Very likely, but he has chosen to grant himself a victory over us. He claims our destruction, and by doing so claims himself as destroyed.

Since: Jan 14

Europe

#513 Mar 22, 2014
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>Wrong, wrong, wrong. As long as there is even one theism, anywhere that you are not partaking of, you are atheist. Being atheist is simply not being a theist, as long as theism exists, everyone not jumping on that particular bandwagon is atheist.
You are wrong! Atheists deny there is God, Theists don't know there is God, I know there is God.

Since: Jan 14

Europe

#514 Mar 22, 2014
fadu singh wrote:
<quoted text>Perhaps he doesn't know as to what Atheism means.
I do.

Since: Jan 14

Europe

#515 Mar 22, 2014
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>Very likely, but he has chosen to grant himself a victory over us. He claims our destruction, and by doing so claims himself as destroyed.
No, as a destroyer.

“There is no god!”

Since: Jun 12

Södertälje, Sweden

#516 Mar 22, 2014
jide oni wrote:
<quoted text>
You are wrong! Atheists deny there is God, Theists don't know there is God, I know there is God.
you are a theist and a liar

“There is no god!”

Since: Jun 12

Södertälje, Sweden

#517 Mar 22, 2014
jide oni wrote:
<quoted text>
I do.
Nope

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