Atheism Destroyed At Last! - The Deba...

Since: Jan 14

Europe

#205 Mar 1, 2014
Nightserf,
You would do well, through counter-life experiences, to debunk any of my claims. Richardfs' posts refer.

Since: Jan 14

Europe

#206 Mar 1, 2014
Richardfs,
A world without war is an impossibility, as long as progress can only come after a war (literal and metaphorical) has been fought.
Even where war is permanently absent, existence will turn drab, dull and be devoid of life, such that the absence of war will translate to another brand of war - i.e. war of no war.

Since: Jan 14

Europe

#207 Mar 1, 2014
Reason Personified,
My question is:
Is Atheism simply a no-god concept or a no-perfect-god concept?
Richardfs

Merrylands, Australia

#208 Mar 1, 2014
jide oni wrote:
Richardfs,
A world without war is an impossibility, as long as progress can only come after a war (literal and metaphorical) has been fought.
Even where war is permanently absent, existence will turn drab, dull and be devoid of life, such that the absence of war will translate to another brand of war - i.e. war of no war.
"A world without war is an impossibility...." which to be a good reason to get rid of religion, not create more.

"as long as progress can only come after a war " what a load of drivel.

"Even where war is permanently absent, existence will turn drab, dull and be devoid of life, such that the absence of war will translate to another brand of war..."
In that case I am prepared to be bored, bring it on.

"....war of no war."

Yep, it is official you are a fruit loop.

Since: Jan 14

Europe

#209 Mar 2, 2014
richardfs,
by war, i mean war and all tasks requiring efforts.
where there is no literal war, other forms of fight, contests, tests of will etc. are extant.
Richardfs

Merrylands, Australia

#210 Mar 2, 2014
jide oni wrote:
richardfs,
by war, i mean war and all tasks requiring efforts.
where there is no literal war, other forms of fight, contests, tests of will etc. are extant.
Perhaps English is second language for you:-

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/war

Else do not invent new meanings for old words or we can a sign new meanings to any of the words you use. If that is the case then we can make your words mean anything we like.

Oh! hang on godbots do that with the bibull already.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#211 Mar 2, 2014
jide oni wrote:
Reason Personified,
My question is:
Is Atheism simply a no-god concept or a no-perfect-god concept?
It is not a concept. It is a lack of theism.

“Reason's Greetings!”

Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#212 Mar 2, 2014
Non-belief is not destroyed, but is growing.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#213 Mar 2, 2014
jide oni wrote:
Nightserf,
You would do well, through counter-life experiences, to debunk any of my claims. Richardfs' posts refer.
No need. They debunk themselves, either through their preposterous natures or through simple lack of evidence. That's been true from the beginning, actually, and all I've been doing is to point it out. But I don't feel compelled to point out every instance. Some are so clearly false that they require no responses.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#214 Mar 2, 2014
jide oni wrote:
Richardfs,
A world without war is an impossibility, as long as progress can only come after a war (literal and metaphorical) has been fought.
Even where war is permanently absent, existence will turn drab, dull and be devoid of life, such that the absence of war will translate to another brand of war - i.e. war of no war.
This is a perfect example of my previous post's point. The first sentence is basically and if-then statement in reverse order. Since the "if" is an unlikely and unsupported assertion, the statement as a whole has no meaning. Anyone involved in processes leading to progress knows that it results from intelligence, hard work, commitment, and dedication. Not war. Constructive progress is best facilitate by peace. War changes a society's focus from construction to destruction.

The second sentence is equally ludicrous, merely another unsupported and probably unsupportable assertion. Everyone here probably saw through it with no help from me. Existence drab without war? Preposterous. a war of no war? Ludicrous.

I think you must watch way too much TV.

Since: Jan 14

Ashburn, VA

#215 Mar 2, 2014
MrDesoto1,
Belief is something, knowledge is something, but non-belief is nothing.

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#216 Mar 2, 2014
jide oni wrote:
Nightserf,
You would do well, through counter-life experiences, to debunk any of my claims. Richardfs' posts refer.
You were buried under an avalanche from Mount Debunk when you claimed Karma was a real thing...

“Reason's Greetings!”

Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#217 Mar 2, 2014
jide oni wrote:
MrDesoto1,
Belief is something, knowledge is something, but non-belief is nothing.
You are showing your ignorance of non-belief again. Also, you don;t get to define non-believers of any stripe.

Since: Jan 14

Ashburn, VA

#218 Mar 2, 2014
Just Think,
Are you saying:
That whatever you sow, you don't reap?
That you don't always lie on your bed exactly as you lay it?
That what goes up doesn't come down?
That he who clears a debt of $1,000 and he who is credited with $1,000, are not respectively making progress?
It is when a karmic debtor is offsetting his debt through apparently positive misfortunes, that Atheists will lift up their face in disbelief if there is any justification for such a situation.
A situation where a person is either harvesting his previously sown pleasurable seeds, or now sowing painful seeds to harvest later; or on the other hand, where another person is either harvesting his previously sown painful seeds, or now sowing pleasurable seeds to reap later.
At any rate, let me iterate it that nobody can have what he does not deserve.
Whatever crops up, be it good fortune or 'misfortune', it is well deserved; The affected person simply needs to be aware of the fact that he must fall into one of the four situations above.

“Reason's Greetings!”

Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#219 Mar 2, 2014
jide oni wrote:
Just Think,
Are you saying:
That whatever you sow, you don't reap?
That you don't always lie on your bed exactly as you lay it?
That what goes up doesn't come down?
That he who clears a debt of $1,000 and he who is credited with $1,000, are not respectively making progress?
It is when a karmic debtor is offsetting his debt through apparently positive misfortunes, that Atheists will lift up their face in disbelief if there is any justification for such a situation.
A situation where a person is either harvesting his previously sown pleasurable seeds, or now sowing painful seeds to harvest later; or on the other hand, where another person is either harvesting his previously sown painful seeds, or now sowing pleasurable seeds to reap later.
At any rate, let me iterate it that nobody can have what he does not deserve.
Whatever crops up, be it good fortune or 'misfortune', it is well deserved; The affected person simply needs to be aware of the fact that he must fall into one of the four situations above.
This sounds like it came straight out of an episode of "My Name Is Earl" - another fine work of fiction.

Since: Jan 14

Ashburn, VA

#220 Mar 2, 2014
MrDesoto1 wrote:
<quoted text>
This sounds like it came straight out of an episode of "My Name Is Earl" - another fine work of fiction.
Yes, a fiction indeed!

A fiction in which Atheism is the antihero.

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#222 Mar 2, 2014
jide oni wrote:
Just Think,
Are you saying:
That whatever you sow, you don't reap?
That you don't always lie on your bed exactly as you lay it?
That what goes up doesn't come down?
That he who clears a debt of $1,000 and he who is credited with $1,000, are not respectively making progress?
It is when a karmic debtor is offsetting his debt through apparently positive misfortunes, that Atheists will lift up their face in disbelief if there is any justification for such a situation.
A situation where a person is either harvesting his previously sown pleasurable seeds, or now sowing painful seeds to harvest later; or on the other hand, where another person is either harvesting his previously sown painful seeds, or now sowing pleasurable seeds to reap later.
At any rate, let me iterate it that nobody can have what he does not deserve.
Whatever crops up, be it good fortune or 'misfortune', it is well deserved; The affected person simply needs to be aware of the fact that he must fall into one of the four situations above.
As has been pointed out to you over and over and over again:

No, people do not always reap what they sow.
Bad things happen to good people.
Good things happen to bad people.
Truly evil people can live a life of luxury and their own brand of joy and never have anything bad happen to them.
Truly good people can live a life of despair and heartache not of their own making.

You are seriously embarrassing yourself.

“IMAGINE no religion!”

Since: Feb 09

usa

#223 Mar 2, 2014
Just Think wrote:
<quoted text>
Well that's odd - I had no idea I was living a life of emptiness, disappointment, insecurity, uncertainty, hopelessness, dissatisfaction and sadness.
Whew...thanks for letting me know!
I'm going to go work on my "life is bleak" face now...catch ya later....
^5!!!!!!

“IMAGINE no religion!”

Since: Feb 09

usa

#224 Mar 2, 2014
Just Think wrote:
<quoted text>
Atheism is a lack of belief in deities. Therefore, there is no atheist god.
This really isn't that complicated.
It is a bit bizarre, however, these things you think you've successfully accomplished despite all evidence.
Fascinating.
someone on the WINLAC thread put it this way

ATHEISM IS A RELIGION ; LIKE BALD IS A HAIR COLOR.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#225 Mar 2, 2014
jide oni wrote:
Just Think,
Are you saying:
That whatever you sow, you don't reap?
That you don't always lie on your bed exactly as you lay it?
That what goes up doesn't come down?
That he who clears a debt of $1,000 and he who is credited with $1,000, are not respectively making progress?
It is when a karmic debtor is offsetting his debt through apparently positive misfortunes, that Atheists will lift up their face in disbelief if there is any justification for such a situation.
A situation where a person is either harvesting his previously sown pleasurable seeds, or now sowing painful seeds to harvest later; or on the other hand, where another person is either harvesting his previously sown painful seeds, or now sowing pleasurable seeds to reap later.
At any rate, let me iterate it that nobody can have what he does not deserve.
Whatever crops up, be it good fortune or 'misfortune', it is well deserved; The affected person simply needs to be aware of the fact that he must fall into one of the four situations above.
The danger of relying on metaphors is that they never apply as well as one would like. Few of us, for instance, are farmer, but most know that the yield of a crop varies enormously with a huge range of factors beyond how much seed is sown. Some are withing the farmer's control, many are not.

The bed aphorism is not even a true analogy, apt or inapt. It's just a spiteful saying.

Gravity is a law of physics and has no bearing on human fate unless one is foolish enough to step off of a precipice.

The effect of clearing on $1000 debt varies with its interest rate relative to that of any investment one makes instead of clearing it. Depositing money into a savings account that yields slightly less than 1% is foolish if credit card debt is left in place to do it.

The concept of clearing karmic debt, whether by "positive misfortune" (an idiotic concept if I ever heard one) or by service to another is part of a system of faith and has nothing to do with reality beyond that faith.

"Painful seeds"? "Pleasurable seeds"? Utterly without meaning in the context of the analogy.

Rhetoric is no substitute for logic.

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