Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

There are 24178 comments on the Psychology Today story from Apr 25, 2012, titled Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038. In it, Psychology Today reports that:

My blog posts on religion have attracted a lot of controversy. Religious people are annoyed by my claim that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

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Richardfs

Merrylands, Australia

#21199 Feb 15, 2014
MUQ wrote:
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None of the Best Scientific mind was ever a denier of God....each of them had a different model, depending upon his own understanding.
Ones who Totally deny presence of any Creator have no scientific brains, otherwise they should have known the limits of their science and their brains. At best they are Pseudo Scientists who are misusing science for purposes it was intended for.
trandiode wrote:
<quoted text> No Astrophysicist or scientist would ever totally deny a god, they may not necessarily agree that there is one, but they will not totally rule one out either! Scientists also love the acknowledgement and fame they receive from each new theory and discovery ! would they really want to share the glory ? Science is fluid it can change direction at any time if something contradicts one of its laws or theories and yet people accept it ! somehow people still have a tendency to class science as infallible ! Strange but true !
Here we have two scientifically illiterate godbots trying to tell us how scientists think, now that is the high of arrogance.
trandiode

Walkley Heights, Australia

#21200 Feb 15, 2014
Just Think wrote:
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Atheism is the lack of belief in deities....you're a bit dense on this subject, aren't you?
The bulk of Atheists do not believe in anything outside of the Physical and that can not be proven, Not all but most :) You may be a bit of a rarity my friend !
I can read

Edinburgh, UK

#21201 Feb 15, 2014
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
None of the Best Scientific mind was ever a denier of God....each of them had a different model, depending upon his own understanding.
Ones who Totally deny presence of any Creator have no scientific brains, otherwise they should have known the limits of their science and their brains. At best they are Pseudo Scientists who are misusing science for purposes it was intended for.
Richard dawkins has more than 10 doctorates.

How many do you have?
I can read

Edinburgh, UK

#21202 Feb 15, 2014
trandiode wrote:
<quoted text> What has atheism done for them ? No reason or purpose to have existed, no reward in an afterlife. All atheism leaves you is nothing but memories and bitterness on what could have been ! Faith gives them reason and purpose for their being and faith gives them Life eternal !
If you need the idea of a god to give your life any meaning then you need counselling, not religion.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#21203 Feb 16, 2014
MUQ wrote:
But by reason , logic and analysis, any one believing that this Universe just came by itself, is one of the most stupid person on this planet.
Imagine how much stupider one would have to be to believe that a god simply exists unplanned and uncreated.

Here's my "reason, logic and analysis":

A universe, which is mostly empty space, gas, dust and rocks moving mindlessly in orbits, is simply impossible for you to imagine existing uncreated and unplanned. But an infinitely more complex thing, which is sentient, omniscient, omnipotent, and morally perfect - to you, the existence of such a thing without a designer or creator is no problem.

This is the logical fallacy called special pleading. You make an argument in which you subject the universe to standards that you excuse your god from for no other reason than that you want your god to appear necessary.

But thinking people reject your argument by applying it to both the universe and the god,and finding the god less likely to exist uncreated and unplanned than the universe.

And as your ill-mannered argument amply demonstrates, we can see that faith corrupts "reason, logic and analysis" and yields some of "the most stupid person[s] on this planet."

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#21204 Feb 16, 2014
MUQ wrote:
PS: And even the Most Stupid Persons have a right to live!!
Don't worry. Nobody here wants to behead you.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#21205 Feb 16, 2014
MUQ wrote:
None of the Best Scientific mind was ever a denier of God....each of them had a different model, depending upon his own understanding. Ones who Totally deny presence of any Creator have no scientific brains, otherwise they should have known the limits of their science and their brains. At best they are Pseudo Scientists who are misusing science for purposes it was intended for.
You have no argument here - just your faith, and the damage it has done to your mind and character.

Religion will eventually be understood to have been just a phase in human evolution connecting the first people who had the intellectual hardware to wonder how his world works and what our place in it is, to those that finally answered them.

“Humanity's first sin was faith. The first virtue was doubt.”- Mike Huben

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#21206 Feb 16, 2014
trandiode wrote:
No Astrophysicist or scientist would ever totally deny a god, they may not necessarily agree that there is one, but they will not totally rule one out either!
There is no more way to rule out gods than vampires and leprechauns. No philosophically sound person would say that any of them are ruled out.
trandiode wrote:
Scientists also love the acknowledgement and fame they receive from each new theory and discovery ! would they really want to share the glory ?
A scientist motivated by recognition would champ at the bit to find evidence of a god. So far, the search and study of the cosmos from the scale of subatomic particles to that of clusters of galaxies has revealed no gods, vampires or leprechauns

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#21207 Feb 16, 2014
trandiode wrote:
Science is fluid it can change direction at any time if something contradicts one of its laws or theories and yet people accept it ! somehow people still have a tendency to class science as infallible ! Strange but true !
Are you still talking about science?

It's not trusted science just because a lab has had something published.

But once an idea has gone through the full vetting process, which takes decades or longer, and the work has been repeated, has never been contradicted, remains consistent with other findings, and has generated fruitful predictions of its own and/or suggested other fruitful avenues of research, it is established as a fact that can only be added to, not contradicted.

"Many scientific theories are so well-established that no new evidence is likely to alter them substantially. For example, no new evidence will demonstrate that the Earth does not orbit around the sun (heliocentric theory), or that living things are not made of cells (cell theory)... Like these other foundational scientific theories, the theory of evolution is supported by so many observations and confirming experiments that scientists are confident that the basic components of the theory will not be overturned by new evidence." http://www.nationalacademies.org/evolution/Th...

About you and your science pronouncements: Science is not a hobby that untrained people can successfully dabble in. It is a body of ideas, methods and habits of thought that takes years of concentrated study and training at the university level to appreciate, let alone do. For someone like you that asks the most naive questions about science to challenge it is ludicrous. You wrote this: "Why are we so Advanced ! mentally we defy the laws of evolution ! Our minds are thousands of years ahead of our basic need to survive !"

You clearly don't understand even the most fundamental ideas underlying evolution. You might as well be criticizing the blueprints and calculations for a proposed suspension bridge. You wouldn't sound any more ridiculous.
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#21208 Feb 16, 2014
trandiode wrote:
<quoted text> No Astrophysicist or scientist would ever totally deny a god, they may not necessarily agree that there is one, but they will not totally rule one out either! Scientists also love the acknowledgement and fame they receive from each new theory and discovery ! would they really want to share the glory ? Science is fluid it can change direction at any time if something contradicts one of its laws or theories and yet people accept it ! somehow people still have a tendency to class science as infallible ! Strange but true !
Ask any scientist, how some "original idea" came into his mind?

He will say "It just came, all of a sudden"....

"Why it did not come to hundreds of thousands of scientists who were before him?"

These are "Hints" that come from the Creator!!

Otherwise the course of science would be very different and its progress much stunted.

How is this as food for thought?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#21209 Feb 16, 2014
trandiode wrote:
What has atheism done for them ? No reason or purpose to have existed, no reward in an afterlife. All atheism leaves you is nothing but memories and bitterness on what could have been ! Faith gives them reason and purpose for their being and faith gives them Life eternal !
You also know nothing about life without a belief in a god, and you need to stop telling us what we think. If you believe that you have no purpose or meaning without a god existing, then you are saying that you have almost none even if one does exist. If you accept the claim of your priests that you exist only to praise some black hole of narcissistic need, then your life has almost no meaning to this god, and none at all to yourself. What could be more demeaning than that?(look at that word "demean", as in to remove meaning)

So please stop parroting the bigoted ideas of your faith based and self-serving ideology. You are way out of your league commenting on either atheism or science. What you know is the little that faith allows you to know.

Here's a new word for you:

Ultracrepidarianism - the habit of giving opinions and advice on matters outside of one's knowledge
Spider

Cambridge, UK

#21210 Feb 16, 2014
MUQ wrote:
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I never said or approve that they should be be headed.
What I said is that they should stop pretending that only they are with brains and rest of people have no brains or never use it.
They have choice to accept any religion or reject, it is their choice in this life and for that they have to answer before their Creator on the last day.
But by reason , logic and analysis, any one believing that this Universe just came by itself, is one of the most stupid person on this planet.
Who made your god ?

If your god made the universe,, from were did he or her obtain the materials ?

Since: Dec 06

Charlie's

#21211 Feb 16, 2014
MUQ wrote:
I never said or approve that they should be be headed.
What I said is that they should stop pretending that only they are with brains and rest of people have no brains or never use it.
Who's denying deists have no brain ? How could they invent a god with no brain ?
MUQ wrote:
They have choice to accept any religion or reject, it is their choice in this life and for that they have to answer before their Creator on the last day.
The usual religionnist's intimidation, Your Creator lets no choice, accept, submit and be a good boy or be damned.
A short psycho analysis reveals that Creator otherly called Intelligent Designer willing its human creature to pray at him in humble posture five times a day is a dangerously monomaniac sadistic one, abble to react with ferocious anger when vexed, Sacred books tell that Creator otherly called Intelligent Designer is able to drown main of mankind, send diseases, droughts, clouds of crickets, pyroplastic flows and so on when irritated.
MUQ wrote:
But by reason , logic and analysis, any one believing that this Universe just came by itself, is one of the most stupid person on this planet.
Reason, logic and analyse give the very same consistency to the proposition "Be God" as to any other one like "be something"

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#21213 Feb 16, 2014
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ask any scientist, how some "original idea" came into his mind?
He will say "It just came, all of a sudden"....
"Why it did not come to hundreds of thousands of scientists who were before him?"
These are "Hints" that come from the Creator!!
Otherwise the course of science would be very different and its progress much stunted.
How is this as food for thought?
Things "suddenly come to people" as a result of the individual's accumulated knowledge from a lifetime of living, experience, study and research.

That's how the mind works...things don't just "pop" into it after being whispered to by some all powerful creator...

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#21214 Feb 16, 2014
MUQ wrote:
They have choice to accept any religion or reject, it is their choice in this life and for that they have to answer before their Creator on the last day.
You were just impugning the minds of unbelievers with references to mental hospitals and language like, "the most stupid person on this planet," were you not? Then you post something like this, a threat that priests (you call them imams, right?) use to terrorize children, and something only a child would believe. What does that make you?

Incidentally, I would tell you what I told your fellow ill-mannered theist friends like trandiode, rio, and EXPERT, that once you cross the line and begin issuing personal insults, you give others permission to treat you with hostility and contempt. I have no further duty treat you better than you take the liberty of treating others. You might think about that in the future. If your religious upbringing didn't teach you common decency, maybe I can.

Although you might not be interested, as it would more humility than you may possess, a sincere apology and a change of behavior can restore our former understanding. My experience is that the faithful tend to prefer issuing personal slurs.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#21215 Feb 16, 2014
MUQ wrote:
Ask any scientist, how some "original idea" came into his mind? He will say "It just came, all of a sudden".... "Why it did not come to hundreds of thousands of scientists who were before him?" These are "Hints" that come from the Creator!!
The Greeks would argue with you that creative inspirations are NOT hints of a creator, but of muses. That was reasonable inasmuch as they were primitives with no concept of the unconscious.

There is a very naturalistic explanation to your question. Why didn't you even consider it? How did you rule it out? By faith, of course.

If all you have to work with is a hammer, everything looks like a nail to you. To a man with a god need, everything is evidence of that god. This then is yet another example of how faith undermines reason, and why the conclusions of faith based thinkers should be rejected when they contradict the ideas of rational skeptics.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#21216 Feb 16, 2014
MUQ wrote:
How is this as food for thought?
What do you have to say to this: http://snipurl.com/28l7dyl

Since: Mar 12

Bandra, India

#21217 Feb 16, 2014
I can read wrote:
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Maybe something was lost in translation but your post didn't contain any reason, logic or analysis.
On the other hand you did call some of the finest scientific minds in the world some of the "most stupid".
Perhaps you could explain why the places that have the worst levels of education generally seem to have the highest levels of religious devotion?
You've hit the bull's eye.All the ultra- religious countries are poor.Religious people never paved the way for scientific development.West could become affluent only because it had all kinds of technologies that made industrial revolution possible.These countries have contributed little to science and hence they are backward.

Since: Mar 12

Mumbai, India

#21218 Feb 16, 2014
Religion is generally indoctrinated at a young age to children when their reasoning ability is not fully developed to be skeptical of dogmas that are fed to their minds.This indoctrination makes them believe in religion to immensely that they would see their religion an incontrovertible truth even when they are matured and grown enough to reason.

Since: Dec 06

Charlie's

#21219 Feb 16, 2014
trandiode wrote:
What has atheism done for them ? No reason or purpose to have existed, no reward in an afterlife. All atheism leaves you is nothing but memories and bitterness on what could have been ! Faith gives them reason and purpose for their being and faith gives them Life eternal !
Life eternal, I admit that it's the most banckable item deists religioneers got in their purse.
Lend me some, God will reward with the most competivive interest rate, plus misericordious holly bonus.
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