Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

There are 24182 comments on the Psychology Today story from Apr 25, 2012, titled Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038. In it, Psychology Today reports that:

My blog posts on religion have attracted a lot of controversy. Religious people are annoyed by my claim that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

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“Not everything that shines...”

Since: Aug 13

Hatch, NM

#20489 Jan 28, 2014
CrimeaRiver wrote:
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Maybe a cute innocent doe eyed little girl died cecause one of her ancestors dared to make a graven image
or maybe because her husband-uncle used her innocence to pervertly satisfy his sexual depravity at her expense for he had, after all, paid for the (honor.)
FredsGhost

Croydon, UK

#20490 Jan 28, 2014
Atheists...Some of the worst bloody Preachers out there

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#20491 Jan 28, 2014
CrimeaRiver wrote:
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I love the fact that Blasphemy, Graven images and keeping the Sabbath come before lying, stealing, cheating and murder.
But I love this commandment the best because it is so 'out there':
“You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My Commandments.
Agreed.

It's rather telling that 40% of the Ten Commandments are about the god, and that they come first. Also, one of the remaining six is to kids telling them to honor their parents, although I'm not sure just what honor means in this context. It certainly isn't throwing them a banquet, or giving them a trophy.

That's why there wasn't room to "command" kindness, justice, courage, loyalty (except to the god), or responsibility.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#20492 Jan 28, 2014
CrimeaRiver wrote:
Maybe a cute innocent doe eyed little girl died cecause one of her ancestors dared to make a graven image
Serves her right. What better example of moral behavior could you ask for?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#20493 Jan 28, 2014
FredsGhost wrote:
Atheists...Some of the worst bloody Preachers out there
If convincing people to have faith in an unseen god is what defines a good preacher, then I have to agree with you.

The fraction identifying with the church in America has been diminishing steadily since at least 1990, during which time the number rejecting it has more than doubled. Do you blame us, the church, both or neither?
walden

UK

#20494 Jan 28, 2014
Religion is the biggest ongoing con in history directly causing 1,000,000s of deaths, rapes, scandals, thefts, murders, degrading acts ect.

Let's face it when you die there's nothing just blackness and nothingness, you have no memory of being alive when you die so what's the point of living and what's the point of religion.

“Not everything that shines...”

Since: Aug 13

Hatch, NM

#20495 Jan 28, 2014
which way's the wind blowing? nothing to live for? LOOK AROUND. The walking dead,no life, that's you.
FredsGhost

Croydon, UK

#20496 Jan 28, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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If convincing people to have faith in an unseen god is what defines a good preacher, then I have to agree with you.
The fraction identifying with the church in America has been diminishing steadily since at least 1990, during which time the number rejecting it has more than doubled. Do you blame us, the church, both or neither?
Well the Church is obviously deeply embedded in you psyche, why do you let it do that?
I can't "blame" dumb! I'm just saying you're being hypocritical, Atheism is a belief and you are trying to make people believe as you do 'Preaching'

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#20497 Jan 28, 2014
LuzAranda wrote:
which way's the wind blowing? nothing to live for? LOOK AROUND. The walking dead,no life, that's you.
You're a mess.
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#20498 Jan 28, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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As far as I can tell, there isn't a single idea in the New Testament that I would call a useful contribution to moral theory. I have asked Topix Christians at least a dozen times to provide me with a single example of a moral truth attributed to Jesus in the gospels that is original and is good advice, and none can do it. Those that have tried have offered me ideas like the Golden Rule not realizing that that idea is older than Jesus.
I have identified a handful of ideas that I think were original with Jesus, although I am not certain that somebody else didn't say first, but that I don't consider good moral advice whoever came up with it. The Christians are unable to identify and suggest any of those.
Why Jesus should provide something ORIGINAL which was not said by earlier prophets? Prophets come to RENEW the same old message which was preached by earlier prophets.

Prophets are not sent to "invent" new teachings, they repeat the same old things with some modifications, no prophet contradicts another prophet.

It is religion and only religion which is the source of all morality we see in the world.
rio

London, UK

#20500 Jan 28, 2014
Thinking wrote:
Morality predates all religion, especially yours.
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No proof of that in fact.

The early people on earth didn't seem to be very socialised anmd that came when they started to form beliefs and shape their society accordingly.
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#20501 Jan 28, 2014
Thinking wrote:
Morality predates all religion, especially yours.
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You are wrong, religions are the source of morality. Otherwise Darwin has already brought humans to the level of beast.

And islam is the morality perfected from all angles.

What have you written is your image which you are seeing in the mirror of Islam.
rio

London, UK

#20504 Jan 28, 2014
Thinking wrote:
What do you mean by civilised? mohammed abused Aisha long after religion was invented.
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What do you mean by that?

Mohammed married a young girl to give her protection, which was common at the time.
The marriage was probably not consummed before she was pubescent, which was also common at the time.
The age of Aisha is in fact a matter of contradiction; some day she was 6 years old at the time of marriage, some say 9, and others even 16!

It's a common feature among Islamophobes to attack Muslims and in particular Mohammed as "peadophiles", as if this didn't happen in other religions as well.
The average life expenctancy at the time of Mohammed was around 35 years old, and most people already had grand children a by the time of their death.
So we cannot judge the society in Arabia at the time of Mohammed by our standards.
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rio

London, UK

#20506 Jan 29, 2014
MUQ wrote:
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It is strange that after reading Pikthal' Translation of Holy Quran , you got the views as you mentioned.
Best of luck to you and I will not comment on your subjective judgment. It is with anything, the same book appeals to one and another one thinks it is a trash.
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I never said the Qu'ran was trash, and I don't believe it is.

I said it didn't do anything for me, and I stick by that.I wasn't impressed by it.
It is a very esoteric piece of literature and it is difficult to understand what is said in the Sorats. The style is very allegoric. In fact, most of them seem to be incantations or prayers, very difficult to understand - to me at least.

Maybe that the Qu'ran should be accompanied with explanations. I read it without help, and it was hard for me to finish it, I must confess! Also, the Picktall translation is in old English, which doesn't help.

Now, I am told by Muslims that recited in its original language - Arabic- it sounds very poetic and moving.
I remember that a lot of the Qu'ran is about the early struggle of the Mohammed and the Muslims, faced with the opposition of the pagans in Medina, then the attacks from the Jews and the Christians. The early days of Islam in fact.
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#20507 Jan 29, 2014
rio wrote:
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I never said the Qu'ran was trash, and I don't believe it is.
I said it didn't do anything for me, and I stick by that.I wasn't impressed by it.
It is a very esoteric piece of literature and it is difficult to understand what is said in the Sorats. The style is very allegoric. In fact, most of them seem to be incantations or prayers, very difficult to understand - to me at least.
Maybe that the Qu'ran should be accompanied with explanations. I read it without help, and it was hard for me to finish it, I must confess! Also, the Picktall translation is in old English, which doesn't help.
Now, I am told by Muslims that recited in its original language - Arabic- it sounds very poetic and moving.
I remember that a lot of the Qu'ran is about the early struggle of the Mohammed and the Muslims, faced with the opposition of the pagans in Medina, then the attacks from the Jews and the Christians. The early days of Islam in fact.
Quran is not a "book" in the normal sense of "Books" we see around us.

I think instaed of just translation, you should have picked up some with a little commentary and explanatory notes.

Pikthal's Translation is very good, but there are very few notes in it, so for someone who is not "used to Quran" it looks very strange.

In English, probably the best notes are what you get in Abdullah Yousul Ali's translation of Holy Quran, but to read it fully, one requires some efforts.

There are certainly repetitions in Quran, but each time there is slight variations to cover the discussion that was going on.

It is a unique book, the like of which was never written and has never been written in Arabic language.

As Pickhal wrote about Quran "inimitable symphony, the mere sound of it move strong men to tears,"...

PS: and not ALL OF THEM ARE FAKING !!

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#20508 Jan 29, 2014
FredsGhost wrote:
Atheism is a belief and you are trying to make people believe as you do 'Preaching'
Why do you think that? Did I ask you to give up your faith?

The people I post for apart from myself - I benefit from practicing formulating cogent arguments and thinking about how best to articulate them - are those that can benefit from the thoughts of a skeptic. I don't include the faithful among them.

I wish that I had something to offer Christians as well, but my experience is that they aren't interested in such things. They don't trust us unbelievers - something about us belonging to devils or hating their god - and they aren't much interested in evidence or argument, just faith. I'm sure that you've noticed that, too.

So after over five years posting on Topix, I no longer harbor any illusion that I can teach a Christian anything, let alone convert one to rational skepticism. Does that seem reasonable to you?
FredsGhost wrote:
Well the Church is obviously deeply embedded in you psyche, why do you let it do that?
I don't mind the church being in my psyche.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#20509 Jan 29, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
As far as I can tell, there isn't a single idea in the New Testament that I would call a useful contribution to moral theory. I have asked Topix Christians at least a dozen times to provide me with a single example of a moral truth attributed to Jesus in the gospels that is original and is good advice, and none can do it. Those that have tried have offered me ideas like the Golden Rule not realizing that that idea is older than Jesus. I have identified a handful of ideas that I think were original with Jesus, although I am not certain that somebody else didn't say first, but that I don't consider good moral advice whoever came up with it. The Christians are unable to identify and suggest any of those.
MUQ wrote:
Why Jesus should provide something ORIGINAL which was not said by earlier prophets? Prophets come to RENEW the same old message which was preached by earlier prophets.
Prophets are not sent to "invent" new teachings, they repeat the same old things with some modifications, no prophet contradicts another prophet. It is religion and only religion which is the source of all morality we see in the world.
The question was more properly addressed to those that consider Jesus a god. You and I don't.
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#20510 Jan 29, 2014
PS:

Quran does talk about events that were happening at the time of our prophet, but the rules and directions are ageless.

And it covers all parts of human life.

Quran lays down basic rules and sayings and actions of prophet PBUH and his companions provide explanation and implementations of these rules.

It is a very detailed piece of literature, not just what one expects from a desert nomads!!

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#20511 Jan 29, 2014
Thinking wrote:
Morality predates all religion, especially yours.
rio wrote:
No proof of that in fact.
Why is proof necessary? Very little about the past can be proven. We skeptics deal in evidence and rational argument, not proof. And the faithful believe by faith.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#20512 Jan 29, 2014
MUQ wrote:
religions are the source of morality. Otherwise Darwin has already brought humans to the level of beast.
The higher beasts embody the rudiments of moral behavior, but not of religion. Such evidence strongly suggests that morality is not only older than religion, but older than humanity. There is evidence of empathy, cooperation, fairness and reciprocity in the animals. From "Finding Morality in Animals" at http://greatergood.berkeley.edu/article/item/... :

"Where does human morality come from? In 'The Bonobo and the Atheist,' renowned primatologist Frans de Waal argues that moral behavior in humans is not predicated on religion. Drawing from extensive research on animals—primarily bonobos and chimpanzees, our nearest primate relatives—as well as research on fossil records of early hominids, he shows how evidence of moral sentiments, like empathy and altruism, predate the advent of religion by millennia and co-evolved in non-human primates as well as in humans ... Since altruism, empathy, and gratitude all underpin moral behavior, finding them in our fellow mammals suggests that they run deep in our brain biology and did not come about because of moral reasoning or religion. "

This is what I meant in my post to Rio about evidence based conclusions not depending on proof.
MUQ wrote:
And islam is the morality perfected from all angles. What have you written is your image which you are seeing in the mirror of Islam.
And this is what I meant about faith based thought. You don't need proof, either. You don't even need evidence. In fact, you probably reject evidence that challenged beliefs supported by faith.

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