Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

There are 24178 comments on the Psychology Today story from Apr 25, 2012, titled Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038. In it, Psychology Today reports that:

My blog posts on religion have attracted a lot of controversy. Religious people are annoyed by my claim that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

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trandiode

Walkley Heights, Australia

#20281 Jan 23, 2014
Look around outside of yourself, See the beauty of what is before you From the humble blade of grass tho the Magnificence of the whole universe ! You know you were created by your mother and father, You know how the earth was created, you think you know how our Galaxy was created and even how the universe itself was created ! But you do not want to believe that the whole of all of existence itself was created ! In this instance you would prefer the idea of a nothingness rather than a creator ! Why do the laws of the concept of creating/creation suddenly change in your minds ? Is it really that hard to believe in a creator that created all of what you see ? Nothing creates nothing because it comes from nothing and it is nothing !
Thinking

Aberdeen, UK

#20282 Jan 23, 2014
Nice pipe dream. Any evidence?
trandiode wrote:
Look around outside of yourself, See the beauty of what is before you From the humble blade of grass tho the Magnificence of the whole universe ! You know you were created by your mother and father, You know how the earth was created, you think you know how our Galaxy was created and even how the universe itself was created ! But you do not want to believe that the whole of all of existence itself was created ! In this instance you would prefer the idea of a nothingness rather than a creator ! Why do the laws of the concept of creating/creation suddenly change in your minds ? Is it really that hard to believe in a creator that created all of what you see ? Nothing creates nothing because it comes from nothing and it is nothing !
trandiode

Walkley Heights, Australia

#20283 Jan 23, 2014
Thinking wrote:
Nice pipe dream. Any evidence?
<quoted text>
I would like to call your belief in nothing a pipe dream but its not even that, is it ? Can you find any evidence whatsoever no matter how miniscule it is to prove there is a state that you call "nothing" I think the evidence already is in my favor don't you ?:)
CrimeaRiver

UK

#20284 Jan 23, 2014
trandiode wrote:
Look around outside of yourself, See the beauty of what is before you From the humble blade of grass tho the Magnificence of the whole universe ! You know you were created by your mother and father, You know how the earth was created, you think you know how our Galaxy was created and even how the universe itself was created ! But you do not want to believe that the whole of all of existence itself was created ! In this instance you would prefer the idea of a nothingness rather than a creator ! Why do the laws of the concept of creating/creation suddenly change in your minds ? Is it really that hard to believe in a creator that created all of what you see ? Nothing creates nothing because it comes from nothing and it is nothing !
People of today need evidence.

Its not enough to simply say God created everything.

Humans can see how Oxygen is created from photosynthesis. 300 years ago there was no concept of it so we assumed that breathable air was a gift from God. We now know that light and CO2 create oxygen as a waste product.

That is a tangible physical discovery. We can see it in action.

If i was to claim that oxygen is created by melting snow at the polar icecaps - you wouldn't believe me because you have seen physical evidence of how o2 is created.

Its the same with God. Christians, Jews and Muslims have attributed many things to God/Jehovah/Allah over the centuries and many of them have been proven wrong

eg:
- Earth at the centre of the universe
- earth being flat
- lightening being sent from God
- going to hell for eating fish on a friday
- gettig 70 virgins in paradise for martyrdom

None of these things is true. So why would we believe in religious Dogma that has been proven wrong so many times.

"Fool me once - shame on you
Fool me twice - shame on me"

Humans have outgrown the need for religious explanations to physical phenomena.
Especially when that explanation relies on us believing in the fantastical notion of an all seeing, all hearing omnipresent God.

You wouldn't believe in a talking pig - so why would you believe in an equally preposterous God that lives in the sky
CrimeaRiver

UK

#20285 Jan 23, 2014
trandiode wrote:
<quoted text> I would like to call your belief in nothing a pipe dream but its not even that, is it ? Can you find any evidence whatsoever no matter how miniscule it is to prove there is a state that you call "nothing" I think the evidence already is in my favor don't you ?:)
But didn't God create the universe from nothing? Who created God? By your reasoning, God can't have just appeared from nothing. Does God have a God?

Some would say the space between particles is an example of nothingness.
Thinking

Aberdeen, UK

#20286 Jan 23, 2014
No.
trandiode wrote:
<quoted text> I would like to call your belief in nothing a pipe dream but its not even that, is it ? Can you find any evidence whatsoever no matter how miniscule it is to prove there is a state that you call "nothing" I think the evidence already is in my favor don't you ?:)

Since: Dec 06

Charlie's

#20287 Jan 23, 2014
trandiode wrote:
Look around outside of yourself, See the beauty of what is before you
Beauty is then in the watching eyes
trandiode wrote:
From the humble blade of grass tho the Magnificence of the whole universe !
Now the humble grass will be eaten by a animal which will be eaten with pain by a predator
Life is being based on predation, how magnificent !
trandiode wrote:
You know you were created by your mother and father,
and maybe some instants of unwanted sexual wandering...
trandiode wrote:
You know how the earth was created, you think you know how our Galaxy was created and even how the universe itself was created !
Just some big-bang theory
trandiode wrote:
But you do not want to believe that the whole of all of existence itself was created ! In this instance you would prefer the idea of a nothingness rather than a creator ! Why do the laws of the concept of creating/creation suddenly change in your minds ? Is it really that hard to believe in a creator that created all of what you see ? Nothing creates nothing because it comes from nothing and it is nothing !
Same with a creator concept so that i'ts an endless going round and round in circles
Jim

London, UK

#20288 Jan 23, 2014
trandiode wrote:
<quoted text> I would like to call your belief in nothing a pipe dream but its not even that, is it ? Can you find any evidence whatsoever no matter how miniscule it is to prove there is a state that you call "nothing" I think the evidence already is in my favor don't you ?:)
What can a defeated Creationist troll really say, with no evidence of god? and a belief system that people laugh at for believing the earth is 3000 years old, based on no evidence.
Jim

London, UK

#20289 Jan 23, 2014
trandiode wrote:
Look around outside of yourself, See the beauty of what is before you From the humble blade of grass tho the Magnificence of the whole universe ! You know you were created by your mother and father, You know how the earth was created, you think you know how our Galaxy was created and even how the universe itself was created ! But you do not want to believe that the whole of all of existence itself was created ! In this instance you would prefer the idea of a nothingness rather than a creator ! Why do the laws of the concept of creating/creation suddenly change in your minds ? Is it really that hard to believe in a creator that created all of what you see ? Nothing creates nothing because it comes from nothing and it is nothing !
Loser Creationists will try to misdirect you into a discussion about beauty, because the liars know they have no evidence of god and no morals.
rio

Bromley, UK

#20290 Jan 23, 2014
Jim wrote:
<quoted text>
defeated Creationist troll.
Is that aggression really necessary, or is it part an parcel of am atheist militant's panoply?

Since: Dec 06

Charlie's

#20291 Jan 23, 2014
rio wrote:
What do I have to be ashamed of?
You're being pious to eventually deserve heaven looks like presenting someone with a so-called gift in order to get your money back. If He is, such behaviour may be looked at as totally unsincere.
rio

Bromley, UK

#20292 Jan 23, 2014
DonPanic wrote:
<quoted text>
You're being pious to eventually deserve heaven looks like presenting someone with a so-called gift in order to get your money back. If He is, such behaviour may be looked at as totally unsincere.
But who says that I am being pious?

I believe in the probability of a god, I don't worship him/her/it, and I don't belong to any religion.

“Not everything that shines...”

Since: Aug 13

Hatch, NM

#20293 Jan 23, 2014
CrimeaRiver wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes yes and yes. That is the only win / win situation.
If there is a God he will reward you for your services to man.
If there is no God - then you have still helped humanity by making the lives of your neighbours a little bit nicer.
Everyone wins
exactly, there is a God, believe it or not! Accept the better part of living, follow the 10 Commandments if just because IT makes sense.

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#20294 Jan 23, 2014
LuzAranda wrote:
<quoted text>exactly, there is a God, believe it or not! Accept the better part of living, follow the 10 Commandments if just because IT makes sense.
prove it!
I can read

Edinburgh, UK

#20295 Jan 23, 2014
trandiode wrote:
Look around outside of yourself, See the beauty of what is before you From the humble blade of grass tho the Magnificence of the whole universe ! You know you were created by your mother and father, You know how the earth was created, you think you know how our Galaxy was created and even how the universe itself was created ! But you do not want to believe that the whole of all of existence itself was created ! In this instance you would prefer the idea of a nothingness rather than a creator ! Why do the laws of the concept of creating/creation suddenly change in your minds ? Is it really that hard to believe in a creator that created all of what you see ? Nothing creates nothing because it comes from nothing and it is nothing !
So nothing could have created your creator and thus nothing at all exists.

You religious folks really don't do so well at thinking, do you?

Why else would you worship a self important genocidal maniac you think lives in the sky?

Since: Dec 06

Charlie's

#20296 Jan 23, 2014
trandiode wrote:
Look around outside of yourself, See the beauty of what is before you From the humble blade of grass tho the Magnificence of the whole universe !
I suppose that you live in a quite safe country. Beauty of Nature is mainly an occidental concept.
Should one live in a dangerous environment, with wild dangerous predators, snakes whose venom can kill you within minutes, where the humble grass is toxic, where mosquitoes transmit malaria, where clouds of crickets let nothing of all your crop, where an eartquake can slam his house down and kill his beloved, he might believe that, if God created all that, God is very creative inventing torments at men.
Nordic

Mosj√łen, Norway

#20297 Jan 23, 2014
I can read wrote:
<quoted text>
So nothing could have created your creator and thus nothing at all exists.
You religious folks really don't do so well at thinking, do you?
Why else would you worship a self important genocidal maniac you think lives in the sky?
Finally i good post from you!. I thought you love the muslims

Since: Dec 06

Charlie's

#20298 Jan 23, 2014
LuzAranda wrote:
there is a God, believe it or not! Accept the better part of living, follow the 10 Commandments if just because IT makes sense.
It's up to me to decide for myself wether God exists or not. Pushing me is the best way you get hate.
And nobody needs 10 commandments to make an harmonious living, one is enough "Act at the other as you wish he acts at yourself"
Thinking

Aberdeen, UK

#20299 Jan 23, 2014
Yet you said you actively pretend to believe in god. Sort your story out!
rio wrote:
<quoted text>
But who says that I am being pious?
I believe in the probability of a god, I don't worship him/her/it, and I don't belong to any religion.
trandiode

Walkley Heights, Australia

#20300 Jan 23, 2014
CrimeaRiver wrote:
<quoted text>
People of today need evidence.
Its not enough to simply say God created everything.
Humans can see how Oxygen is created from photosynthesis. 300 years ago there was no concept of it so we assumed that breathable air was a gift from God. We now know that light and CO2 create oxygen as a waste product.
That is a tangible physical discovery. We can see it in action.
If i was to claim that oxygen is created by melting snow at the polar icecaps - you wouldn't believe me because you have seen physical evidence of how o2 is created.
Its the same with God. Christians, Jews and Muslims have attributed many things to God/Jehovah/Allah over the centuries and many of them have been proven wrong
eg:
- Earth at the centre of the universe
- earth being flat
- lightening being sent from God
- going to hell for eating fish on a friday
- gettig 70 virgins in paradise for martyrdom
None of these things is true. So why would we believe in religious Dogma that has been proven wrong so many times.
"Fool me once - shame on you
Fool me twice - shame on me"
Humans have outgrown the need for religious explanations to physical phenomena.
Especially when that explanation relies on us believing in the fantastical notion of an all seeing, all hearing omnipresent God.
You wouldn't believe in a talking pig - so why would you believe in an equally preposterous God that lives in the sky
Science works under the principle of backward engineering ! Its like if they found a UFO lets say, They have to slowly pull it apart bit by bit and try a work out how one tiny bit of the space craft interacts with another tiny piece and when they find out how that combo functions with each other they have to add another tiny piece to work out how that piece works together with the two previous bits that they acquired, until after a long period of time and testing they might be able to understand just what this tiny piece of the entire space craft is all about ! Each one of those tiny pieces will be given a name and a theory attached, But they will be so far from understanding the spacecraft and how it works, Because not until everything is known about it can you truly understand how it really does work ! Ask the scientists where did it come from ? They would not have the answer ! Ask them who built it ? They would not know, what is its full capabilities ? Once again they would not know ! but what they will know is the small fraction that they have managed to work out , Yes they will have there special little words and names that they gave to every little find that they were able to make But that does not mean they are truly aware of its functionality or its reason to exist ! Only the maker knows that, and only the maker had and has the full knowledge on how to put it all together ! Existence is the same, and its just as tangible and solid as that UFO ! What makes you think that all of existence is known by a few theories and a few discoveries together with some scientific terminology ! That does not constitute a full knowledge of anything, That is just the results you will get when you use backward engineering ! P.S The gaps between solid objects are full not empty :)! You really need to understand the concept of nothingness a bit better, Then you would really understand how implausible the concept really is !:)

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