Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

There are 24178 comments on the Psychology Today story from Apr 25, 2012, titled Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038. In it, Psychology Today reports that:

My blog posts on religion have attracted a lot of controversy. Religious people are annoyed by my claim that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

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Since: Jan 14

UK

#20261 Jan 22, 2014
What will we do with the heavy corpus of past religious thought and what will we do to keep our social sense of faith in 2039?

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#20262 Jan 22, 2014
CrimeaRiver wrote:
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But surely God (if he exists) is compassionate and Jesus is Forgiving.
So if I'm wrong and I die but haven't accepted Christ Then I expect God and Jesus to forgive my sins and let me into heaven anyway.
WRong, you have to ask for forgiveness and must accept god, even if god is compassionate
rio

Bromley, UK

#20263 Jan 22, 2014
fadu singh wrote:
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And why do you think belief in God is necessary?

If you believe in Christian Trinity and Allah turns out be a true superbeing then you'll be punished by Allah.And if you've been worshipping Allah and Christian God turns out to be true still you will be chastised in hell.
I never said it was "necessary", I just said it was a safe bet. It is for me anyway.

Regarding the Abrahamic religions; they believed in the same God, initially.
Even if they have built different dogmas, different religious structures around them, they worship the same God.

Judaism was first, then after came Christianity, originally a derivative of it, a revised version.
After several century of Christianity, the Church in Rome altered the dogma to introduce the principle of Trinity - a God in 3 persons. That was a departure from monotheism, which many rejected.
Mohamed came a few centuries later and launched a purer version of the Judeo-Christian religion. Islam was created among a people divided between pagans, Jews and Christians all co-habiting in the Middle east. It is a new chapter in what is essentially the same common belief.
Jesus is just another prophet for Muslims, and not the "son of God". The human deity is rejected by Muslims, just like it was by Jews.
Believing in Jesus as a god is heresy for Jews and Muslims alike.

But it's the same God. The Qu'ran makes reference to the Bible, the Torah, Jews and Christians in almost every chapter, almost on every page!

“Not everything that shines...”

Since: Aug 13

Hatch, NM

#20264 Jan 22, 2014
'being watched constantly'? I am an adult, a Christ follower, I, independently will act as my conscience dictates. FAITH has stronger delicate power to me. Superstition? that's evil and not in me. STAY away, satan!.
Thinking

Blaenau-ffestiniog, UK

#20265 Jan 22, 2014
What compassion?

According to your bible, your god is still abusing generations of children yet unborn for something that happened thousands of years ago.

Your god needs to grow up.
Carchar king wrote:
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WRong, you have to ask for forgiveness and must accept god, even if god is compassionate
Thinking

Blaenau-ffestiniog, UK

#20266 Jan 22, 2014
"Belief is a safe bet" is flawed for the same reason Pascal's wager is flawed.
rio wrote:
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I never said it was "necessary", I just said it was a safe bet. It is for me anyway.
Regarding the Abrahamic religions; they believed in the same God, initially.
Even if they have built different dogmas, different religious structures around them, they worship the same God.
Judaism was first, then after came Christianity, originally a derivative of it, a revised version.
After several century of Christianity, the Church in Rome altered the dogma to introduce the principle of Trinity - a God in 3 persons. That was a departure from monotheism, which many rejected.
Mohamed came a few centuries later and launched a purer version of the Judeo-Christian religion. Islam was created among a people divided between pagans, Jews and Christians all co-habiting in the Middle east. It is a new chapter in what is essentially the same common belief.
Jesus is just another prophet for Muslims, and not the "son of God". The human deity is rejected by Muslims, just like it was by Jews.
Believing in Jesus as a god is heresy for Jews and Muslims alike.
But it's the same God. The Qu'ran makes reference to the Bible, the Torah, Jews and Christians in almost every chapter, almost on every page!

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#20267 Jan 22, 2014
LuzAranda wrote:
'being watched constantly'? I am an adult, a Christ follower, I, independently will act as my conscience dictates. FAITH has stronger delicate power to me. Superstition? that's evil and not in me. STAY away, satan!.
Simmer down, Church Lady.
rio

Bromley, UK

#20268 Jan 22, 2014
Thinking wrote:
"Belief is a safe bet" is flawed for the same reason Pascal's wager is flawed.
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I cannot see Pascal's wager being flawed in any way.

It works for me, and I am not trying to convince you of anything.

“Leave That Thing Alone!”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#20269 Jan 22, 2014
Just Think wrote:
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Simmer down, Church Lady.
I have a feeling even her fellow church-goers roll their eyes and try to avoid her when they see her coming
Thinking

Blaenau-ffestiniog, UK

#20270 Jan 22, 2014
Pascal's wager is fatally flawed because it says there are only two choices: believe in god (whether you are sincere or not) or don't.

But there are other possibilities. You've chosen the wrong god, and the real one is angry. Or, there is a god that hates sycophants but is OK with non-believers.

Surely god can see through the fake believers?
rio wrote:
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I cannot see Pascal's wager being flawed in any way.
It works for me, and I am not trying to convince you of anything.
rio

Bromley, UK

#20271 Jan 22, 2014
Thinking wrote:
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a god that hates sycophants .
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Do you mean worshipers?
Thinking

Blaenau-ffestiniog, UK

#20272 Jan 22, 2014
Could be, depends on the god in question.
rio wrote:
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Do you mean worshipers?

Since: Dec 06

Charlie's

#20273 Jan 22, 2014
rio wrote:
And supposed he is proven right, and all atheists suddenly realise their mistake after death?
A God who weights men for believing or not doesn't deserve adoration.
If He exists, He'll judge people on good or bad done during their life-time,
rio wrote:
Believing in God is some sort of insurance. If he exists, you are OK. If he doesn't exist, no big deal, you have followed a pious life.
Man can't do any good at God by being pious, man can just please God when being good at other peoples
rio wrote:
To me, believing in God is a win-win situation.
And you're not even ashamed having such interested considerations.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#20274 Jan 22, 2014
rio wrote:
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And supposed he is proven right, and all atheists suddenly realise their mistake after death?
Believing in God is some sort of insurance. If he exists, you are OK. If he doesn't exist, no big deal, you have followed a pious life.
To me, believing in God is a win-win situation.
That is not good enough reason to praise something that might decide to make you cook and eat your children. Not at all!
rio

Bromley, UK

#20275 Jan 22, 2014
DonPanic wrote:
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A God who weights men for believing or not doesn't deserve adoration.
If He exists, He'll judge people on good or bad done during their life-time,
<quoted text>
Man can't do any good at God by being pious, man can just please God when being good at other peoples
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And you're not even ashamed having such interested considerations.
Who says I believe in worship?

Who says I believe in "judgement" ?

What do I have to be ashamed of?
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#20276 Jan 22, 2014
rio wrote:
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Who says I believe in worship?
Who says I believe in "judgement" ?
What do I have to be ashamed of?
Who says you have brains?

Who says you have powers to think and decide?

One must be mad to say such things about you!!
CrimeaRiver

UK

#20277 Jan 23, 2014
rio wrote:
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Why always make reference to Jesus when talking about God?
Most believers aren't Christians. Jews and Muslims don't believe in Jesus. Neither do many other religions.
Bringing down the conversation to Jesus only eliminate the billions of believers who have faith in a god.
Because in my eyes. You are all worshipping the same God but all simultaneousy claim that he is the God of the Jews, Muslims or Christians.

If God were to exist he would supercede all faith, He would have no concept of Christianity, Islam or Judaism. All this going to Mosque on Friday, Synagogue on Saturday or Church on Sunday is nonsense. Does that mean God has to attend service 3 times a week.

But as someone born and raised in Britain I have been socialised into Christianity even though I was raised a Buddhist. So when I talk of God, I default to the God of the Bible
CrimeaRiver

UK

#20278 Jan 23, 2014
DonPanic wrote:
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Man can't do any good at God by being pious, man can just please God when being good at other peoples.
Yes yes and yes. That is the only win / win situation.

If there is a God he will reward you for your services to man.

If there is no God - then you have still helped humanity by making the lives of your neighbours a little bit nicer.

Everyone wins

Since: Mar 12

Mumbai, India

#20279 Jan 23, 2014
rio wrote:
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I never said it was "necessary", I just said it was a safe bet. It is for me anyway.
Regarding the Abrahamic religions; they believed in the same God, initially.
Even if they have built different dogmas, different religious structures around them, they worship the same God.
Judaism was first, then after came Christianity, originally a derivative of it, a revised version.
After several century of Christianity, the Church in Rome altered the dogma to introduce the principle of Trinity - a God in 3 persons. That was a departure from monotheism, which many rejected.
Mohamed came a few centuries later and launched a purer version of the Judeo-Christian religion. Islam was created among a people divided between pagans, Jews and Christians all co-habiting in the Middle east. It is a new chapter in what is essentially the same common belief.
Jesus is just another prophet for Muslims, and not the "son of God". The human deity is rejected by Muslims, just like it was by Jews.
Believing in Jesus as a god is heresy for Jews and Muslims alike.
But it's the same God. The Qu'ran makes reference to the Bible, the Torah, Jews and Christians in almost every chapter, almost on every page!
You're still calling its a safe bet although it isn't. I have read Quran (not fully) and I agree it does make references to Jew and Christian Scriptures.But,it is still has many differences and discords with Christianity on many issues.
It is clearly mentioned in Quran that refusal of Islamic tenets is punishable.Bible has similar opinions about its non-believers.
So,even believing in any of these belief system puts you in certain amount of risks.A follower of other belief system is as punishable as an atheist according to these religions.
So how does your belief in God puts in you a safer zone and makes your chances better than that of us atheists?How would you choose a right belief system ?
Even if there is a God you would never be able to say as to what kind of God he is.You can picture zillion no. of models of God in your mind using your imaginative skills but you would never able to zero in on to one particular God logically.
However,you can filter out the Gods attributed with false superlatives.
Just outrule the possibility of omniscient,omnibenevolent and omnipotent Gods.Logically speaking,such Gods can't exist.

“Evil Atheist :-)”

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#20280 Jan 23, 2014
MUQ wrote:
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Allah is also wise and knowledgeable and every thing goes as per His plan. He tests people as to which of them uses their God given brains and try to discover truth and who "just follows" the ways of their society and forefathers.
The ways of truth and falsehood are present before every one and he has a free choice to accept either.
If Allah so wanted, every one on earth would be made an angel, then where would have been the test?
Allah Knows Best.
The only Truth most Christians have heard is the one which claims Jesus is God and they will burn if they don't believe it. This means that according to the Quran, over a billion Christians are going to burn for idolatry simply because Jesus messed up his mission, and you expect us to accept this?

If God is willing to allow false religions to flourish then there's no reason to believe Islam isn't just another false faith just like the rest.

This is why all religions just look like a bunch of badly made up excuses as priests and prophets desperately try to defend their fantasies against the harsh realities of the real world.

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