Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

There are 24178 comments on the Psychology Today story from Apr 25, 2012, titled Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038. In it, Psychology Today reports that:

My blog posts on religion have attracted a lot of controversy. Religious people are annoyed by my claim that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

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“Not everything that shines...”

Since: Aug 13

Hatch, NM

#20238 Jan 21, 2014
'Feeble minds', that' us, all right, as compared , if we even dare, to God Almighty. We have to be humble, we have to be thankful, we have to be TRUTHFUL. We just ain't got it. If we realize WHO Created all of us, all we are, all we have, all we have been before, and all we will ever be, all living, all life. WHO? find, admit, the TRUE answer so I can SEE that our human minds aren't so 'feeble'.

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#20239 Jan 21, 2014
LuzAranda wrote:
'Feeble minds', that' us, all right, as compared , if we even dare, to God Almighty. We have to be humble, we have to be thankful, we have to be TRUTHFUL. We just ain't got it. If we realize WHO Created all of us, all we are, all we have, all we have been before, and all we will ever be, all living, all life. WHO? find, admit, the TRUE answer so I can SEE that our human minds aren't so 'feeble'.
Okay, at this point, I'm just going to go with the theory that you must be high.

Frequently.
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#20240 Jan 21, 2014
Igor Trip wrote:
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Allah knows best? Then why didn't he allow Christianity to flourish?
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Allah is also wise and knowledgeable and every thing goes as per His plan. He tests people as to which of them uses their God given brains and try to discover truth and who "just follows" the ways of their society and forefathers.

The ways of truth and falsehood are present before every one and he has a free choice to accept either.

If Allah so wanted, every one on earth would be made an angel, then where would have been the test?

Allah Knows Best.
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#20243 Jan 21, 2014
CR wrote:
01. I am not a Christian and I do not believe Jesus was the son of God.

But I do believe he existed and that he was a great man with a great message which is why we are still talking about him after 2000 years.

02. However, if he wasn't a criminal then why was he sentenced to death? Because blasphemy was a crime. To say that he is the son of God and the King of the Jews was a crime. Claiming to be a King of any sort was a crime of treason against the Romans.

He was also a threat to the Jewish clergy because he spoke of the desecration of the Temple which will be destroyed brick by brick.

There was also the controversy over his attitude to taxes.

03. In his own time, Jesus was considered a criminal. Whether he was or not is unsure because the Bible is pro-Jesus.

I am not being offensive Muq, I revere Jesus as a teacher. But in my mind, he was a human man and therefore infallible
Ans.

Thank you very much for asking some good question on Jesus.

Let me provide brief replies to points you raised.

a. Status of Jesus:

You say that you believe that Jesus did exist and that he was neither God nor Son of God. You are very correct in this.

b. Was Jesus a "Criminal"?

1. You should know there are two type of crimes, one is the which shows moral turpitude and it involves crimes like stealing, lying, rapes, murders etc. Any one committing these acts is a criminal in normal sense of the word.

2. Another "crime" is when some one speaks against the vested interests of society and those who control it. In the eyes of these "vested interests" it is a crime of highest order for any one to speak against their interests. And they shall try to suppress that voice by any means.

3. Jesus as a true prophet of God had "duty" to tell the truth and expose these vested interest people. Every prophet of God and every reformer and almost every speaker of truth has to face the similar situation.

4. That is why these people became enemy of Jesus and tried to arrest him and get him convicted.

5. But before they could arrest him, God Almighty took Jesus up into heaven bodily. This is the truth about Jesus, one of the mightiest Prophet and Messenger from God Almighty.

6. The "classic" Christian position is that Jesus was arrested and tried and convicted in their "religious court" and the sentence was "confirmed" by the Roman Governor and then he was crucified and died on the cross.

Later St. Paul used that "alleged crucifixion" to create a New Religion.

PS:

I am not offended if you ask any question in civil language maintaining decency of debate / discussion.
Spider

Cambridge, UK

#20244 Jan 22, 2014
LuzAranda wrote:
'Feeble minds', that' us, all right, as compared , if we even dare, to God Almighty. We have to be humble, we have to be thankful, we have to be TRUTHFUL. We just ain't got it. If we realize WHO Created all of us, all we are, all we have, all we have been before, and all we will ever be, all living, all life. WHO? find, admit, the TRUE answer so I can SEE that our human minds aren't so 'feeble'.
I guess if your stoned all the time you will have imaginary friends.
Spider

Cambridge, UK

#20245 Jan 22, 2014
MUQ wrote:
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Allah is also wise and knowledgeable and every thing goes as per His plan. He tests people as to which of them uses their God given brains and try to discover truth and who "just follows" the ways of their society and forefathers.
The ways of truth and falsehood are present before every one and he has a free choice to accept either.
If Allah so wanted, every one on earth would be made an angel, then where would have been the test?
Allah Knows Best.
If your god makes each and everyone of us, why can't he or she get it right ??? why the need for this so called test ???
CrimeaRiver

UK

#20246 Jan 22, 2014
MUQ wrote:
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Allah is also wise and knowledgeable and every thing goes as per His plan. He tests people as to which of them uses their God given brains and try to discover truth and who "just follows" the ways of their society and forefathers.
The ways of truth and falsehood are present before every one and he has a free choice to accept either.
If Allah so wanted, every one on earth would be made an angel, then where would have been the test?
Allah Knows Best.
So Allah values the educated does he? Why didn't he tell the Taliban when they shot that little girl in the head for wanting to study.

I know you are talking about the 'true' message of Islam, but that doesn't mean shit when there are Fanatical Islamic freaks forcing schoolgirls back into a burning building because they weren't wearing their hijab.

I'm not even talking about terrorists. In my eyes they are fighting a war just like we are.

I'm talking about the fact that women can't drive in Saudi. That a female rape victim can be divorced for adultery under sharia law. That child brides aren't cherished and respected until they reach maturity.

If these freaks are doing wrong, then why don't the people (fair minded intelligent Muslims) stand up and oust these people from power.

If Allah exists, he will help your struggle against the oppressive regimes
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#20247 Jan 22, 2014
Spider wrote:
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If your god makes each and everyone of us, why can't he or she get it right ??? why the need for this so called test ???
Why the need for test?

You want to have all the enjoyment and fun without trying to earn it?

Yes every one would like to live like an angel and eat and drink and be merry and never have any sickness or fear and never have to face death.

Yes they will get all this provided they live their lives their Creator wants!!

Freeloaders would not get thru the test.

And it is the Freeloaders who hate any kind of test!!
Thinking

Blaenau-ffestiniog, UK

#20249 Jan 22, 2014
If allah needs to test then allah is not all knowing.
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Allah is also wise and knowledgeable and every thing goes as per His plan. He tests people as to which of them uses their God given brains and try to discover truth and who "just follows" the ways of their society and forefathers.
The ways of truth and falsehood are present before every one and he has a free choice to accept either.
If Allah so wanted, every one on earth would be made an angel, then where would have been the test?
Allah Knows Best.

“Not everything that shines...”

Since: Aug 13

Hatch, NM

#20250 Jan 22, 2014
SUPPOSE only suppose, that you are (right), what if on your death you find ou you were WRONG all along? Destiny takes YOU somewhere and NOW's the time to choose. Be on the RIGHT (God's) side.

“Not everything that shines...”

Since: Aug 13

Hatch, NM

#20251 Jan 22, 2014
'Test' because God Almighty does not Wish to read our human mind and intelligence. HE Knows, we don't. Prove our human loyalty to God is what He looks for. We are humans, HE IS!
CrimeaRiver

UK

#20252 Jan 22, 2014
LuzAranda wrote:
SUPPOSE only suppose, that you are (right), what if on your death you find ou you were WRONG all along? Destiny takes YOU somewhere and NOW's the time to choose. Be on the RIGHT (God's) side.
And lets suppose that you are wrong. Will you feel you have wasted your life believing in a fairy tale written by greedy men.

The concept of God is the same as CCTV. You are convinced that you are being watched constantly and so try to behave.
rio

Bromley, UK

#20253 Jan 22, 2014
CrimeaRiver wrote:
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And lets suppose that you are wrong. Will you feel you have wasted your life believing in a fairy tale written by greedy men.
The concept of God is the same as CCTV. You are convinced that you are being watched constantly and so try to behave.
And supposed he is proven right, and all atheists suddenly realise their mistake after death?

Believing in God is some sort of insurance. If he exists, you are OK. If he doesn't exist, no big deal, you have followed a pious life.

To me, believing in God is a win-win situation.
CrimeaRiver

UK

#20254 Jan 22, 2014
rio wrote:
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And supposed he is proven right, and all atheists suddenly realise their mistake after death?
Believing in God is some sort of insurance. If he exists, you are OK. If he doesn't exist, no big deal, you have followed a pious life.
To me, believing in God is a win-win situation.
But surely God (if he exists) is compassionate and Jesus is Forgiving.

So if I'm wrong and I die but haven't accepted Christ Then I expect God and Jesus to forgive my sins and let me into heaven anyway.
Thinking

Blaenau-ffestiniog, UK

#20255 Jan 22, 2014
There may be a god that better rewards non believers than sycophants.

You can't disprove this.

[Any attempt to use Pascal's wager is flawed because there may be other solutions]
rio wrote:
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And supposed he is proven right, and all atheists suddenly realise their mistake after death?
Believing in God is some sort of insurance. If he exists, you are OK. If he doesn't exist, no big deal, you have followed a pious life.
To me, believing in God is a win-win situation.
Thinking

Blaenau-ffestiniog, UK

#20256 Jan 22, 2014
rio posts more like a muslim. But I agree with your post.
CrimeaRiver wrote:
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But surely God (if he exists) is compassionate and Jesus is Forgiving.
So if I'm wrong and I die but haven't accepted Christ Then I expect God and Jesus to forgive my sins and let me into heaven anyway.
rio

Bromley, UK

#20257 Jan 22, 2014
CrimeaRiver wrote:
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But surely God (if he exists) is compassionate and Jesus is Forgiving.
So if I'm wrong and I die but haven't accepted Christ Then I expect God and Jesus to forgive my sins and let me into heaven anyway.
Why always make reference to Jesus when talking about God?

Most believers aren't Christians. Jews and Muslims don't believe in Jesus. Neither do many other religions.

Bringing down the conversation to Jesus only eliminate the billions of believers who have faith in a god.

Since: Mar 12

Mumbai, India

#20258 Jan 22, 2014
rio wrote:
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Why always make reference to Jesus when talking about God?
Most believers aren't Christians. Jews and Muslims don't believe in Jesus. Neither do many other religions.
Bringing down the conversation to Jesus only eliminate the billions of believers who have faith in a god.
It is actually necessary to have a skeptical look on the religious Gods as they are the ones that most of atheists protest against.We need to eliminate the different possibilities of God and zero in on strong possibilities
And why do you think belief in God is necessary?I don't see there is any point in believing God as there is no evidence furnished by anyone favouring the possibility of the existence of God.
Even if one wants to believe in God as then whose God should one believe?
If you believe in Christian Trinity and Allah turns out be a true superbeing then you'll be punished by Allah.And if you've been worshipping Allah and Christian God turns out to be true still you will be chastised in hell.

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#20259 Jan 22, 2014
LuzAranda wrote:
SUPPOSE only suppose, that you are (right), what if on your death you find ou you were WRONG all along? Destiny takes YOU somewhere and NOW's the time to choose. Be on the RIGHT (God's) side.
Are you really suggesting that people embrace god "just in case"?

Wow…

Since: Jan 14

UK

#20260 Jan 22, 2014
What will we do with the vast corpus of past religious thought and what will do with our social faith for a life outside of ourselves in 2038?

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