Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

There are 23869 comments on the Psychology Today story from Apr 25, 2012, titled Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038. In it, Psychology Today reports that:

My blog posts on religion have attracted a lot of controversy. Religious people are annoyed by my claim that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

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EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#18605 Sep 22, 2013
If I can interupt this shiite conversation for minute, this is from sunni Derby...
http://www.thisisderbyshire.co.uk/Teachers-De...
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#18606 Sep 22, 2013
This might be worth repeating here...
spudgun wrote:
<quoted text>
.... And sometimes come across as politically correct. For example in the UK the full veil is allowed in schools and courts, even though this means a person cannot be identified. Politicians come out in defense or are silent, as do not wish to cause offence.
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#18607 Sep 22, 2013
fadu singh wrote:
<quoted text>So why was Ahmadiyas' redeemer was rejected even though he followed Muhammad and Jesus?
A)Your first point is invalid since all abrahamic prophets were allegedly from same geographical region.And Quran doesn't even mention anything about people who have existed beyond that region.
So saying prophets existed in all parts of the world is just an unwarranted claim.Though Muhammad did hold the same opinion as you do,he failed to mention the name of the prophets who didn't belong to Abrahamic religions.This could be related to the fact that no non- Abrahamic religion except the local polytheist cult was followed in Middle-east in those days.So it seems obvious that Muhammad's acceptance of Jesus and Moses was merely because knew about their religions. There is clearly a lack of evidences that would prove your Allah had connection with the rest of the world.
So how could you say people rejected Allah's guidance before Muhammad when there is no evidence from Islamic sources that would prove otherwise?
Again you are jumping the lines and asking names.

Just concentrate on the qualities of prophets and we will discuss names, when we are thru with the qualities.

It was the same "impatience" which was the reason you handed over the baton to some one else and now I see, you are doing the same thing once again.

It seems you are not following our arguments at all, are you?
spider

Cambridge, UK

#18608 Sep 22, 2013
EdSed wrote:
If I can interupt this shiite conversation for minute, this is from sunni Derby...
http://www.thisisderbyshire.co.uk/Teachers-De...
Sorry you find the conversation boring Ed,,, didn't realise they had schools in Derby. Glad they are waking up there.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#18609 Sep 22, 2013
Spider wrote:
1.

ONE SHOULD ONLY FEAR GOD AND NO ONE ELSE IN THE WORLD.

Why would a god wish to be feared??

That is evil.

2.

PREPARE FOR THE HEREAFTER.

There is no proof of a god or a hereafter, you my friend have been conned.

3.

ESPITE DIFFERENT CODES OF LAWS FOR THEIR PEOPLE.

Why would a god give different codes of law around the world ???
this would just cause imbalance, problems, confusion.
Ans.

Fear of God:

The fear is of different kind, depending upon the closeness which a person has towards God.

The more a man realizes, how much God has cared for him and provided everything in the earth of him the more he loves God and "fears" for disobeying Him, because one hates to disobey who is his benefactor.

But those who curse and reject and abuse God, they have a different level of fear, the fear of a convicted criminal when he is brought to judge for sentencing.

Fear of God is not "terrorizing" the people, but invoking in the "remembrance of God"…. It is not evil in the least. This fear is the basis of "civilized living".

2. Proof of Hereafter:

If there was no Hereafter, then one would believe that there is law of jungle out there.

People killing other people in tens, hundeds, thousands, hundreds of thousands and even in millions, and getting Scot Free.

People cheating, stealing, robbing and doing every king of injustice and getting thru the life Scot Free.

Is the Universe created on injustice?

There HAS to be a time, when every one has to pay for his or her deeds in this world.

3. Different Laws:

There is no change in fundamental principles. But the "operating procedures" might change depending upon the local needs and level of civilization.

That is why the codes of laws have been at variance, but the basic article of faith and basic functions of law have been same.

.
reasoner

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#18610 Sep 23, 2013
Muq,

1. Fear of God

It is not cilivised to tell someone you believe in me or be tortured for ever in hell fire. This is the mentality of a psychopath. "Civilised living" is trearing people how you would want to be treated.

2.Proof of Hereafter

It >is< the law of the jungle out there. The universe is neither moral or immoral. It is one quite different that if a loving Deity created it.

3.Different Laws

There >are< major differences between the world religions. Just take Christianity as an example. Worhsiping a man as God. You >know< this is crazy. Buddhists have no God in their religion. This inconsistency proves no gods are behind religions.

reasoner (formerly spudgun)

Since: Mar 12

Mumbai, India

#18611 Sep 23, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
Fear of God:
The fear is of different kind, depending upon the closeness which a person has towards God.
The more a man realizes, how much God has cared for him and provided everything in the earth of him the more he loves God and "fears" for disobeying Him, because one hates to disobey who is his benefactor.
But those who curse and reject and abuse God, they have a different level of fear, the fear of a convicted criminal when he is brought to judge for sentencing.
Fear of God is not "terrorizing" the people, but invoking in the "remembrance of God"…. It is not evil in the least. This fear is the basis of "civilized living".
2. Proof of Hereafter:
If there was no Hereafter, then one would believe that there is law of jungle out there.
People killing other people in tens, hundeds, thousands, hundreds of thousands and even in millions, and getting Scot Free.
People cheating, stealing, robbing and doing every king of injustice and getting thru the life Scot Free.
Is the Universe created on injustice?
There HAS to be a time, when every one has to pay for his or her deeds in this world.
3. Different Laws:
There is no change in fundamental principles. But the "operating procedures" might change depending upon the local needs and level of civilization.
That is why the codes of laws have been at variance, but the basic article of faith and basic functions of law have been same.
.
Seriously man,how does your second point proves that there is afterlife?
Don't believing Muslims kill each other and rob each other even though they are indoctrinated to Islamic principles right from childhood?
People's compliance to moral values doesn't imply that the Hereafter exists.Your answer seems to be more subjective rather than based on reason.It is we who give meanings and objectives to our lives and not any God.Since we live in society and have higher level of consciousness,we have made certain rules and laws which people are expected to conform.Religions are nothing but adulteration of moral values with dogmas and some vicious principles(which we don't agree with).
PS:I don't expect such a childish post from you,MUQ.Give proper reasons to support your claims.

Since: Mar 12

Mumbai, India

#18612 Sep 23, 2013
reasoner wrote:
Muq,
1. Fear of God
It is not cilivised to tell someone you believe in me or be tortured for ever in hell fire. This is the mentality of a psychopath. "Civilised living" is trearing people how you would want to be treated.
2.Proof of Hereafter
It >is< the law of the jungle out there. The universe is neither moral or immoral. It is one quite different that if a loving Deity created it.
3.Different Laws
There >are< major differences between the world religions. Just take Christianity as an example. Worhsiping a man as God. You >know< this is crazy. Buddhists have no God in their religion. This inconsistency proves no gods are behind religions.
reasoner (formerly spudgun)
True.
There is nothing moral or immoral objectively in the universe.It's just our subjective interpretation .

Since: Apr 08

Cambridge, UK

#18613 Sep 23, 2013
Tell me Muq, have you stoned anyone?
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#18614 Sep 23, 2013
fadu singh wrote:
<quoted text>
Seriously man,how does your second point proves that there is afterlife?
Don't believing Muslims kill each other and rob each other even though they are indoctrinated to Islamic principles right from childhood?
People's compliance to moral values doesn't imply that the Hereafter exists.Your answer seems to be more subjective rather than based on reason.It is we who give meanings and objectives to our lives and not any God.Since we live in society and have higher level of consciousness,we have made certain rules and laws which people are expected to conform.Religions are nothing but adulteration of moral values with dogmas and some vicious principles(which we don't agree with).
PS:I don't expect such a childish post from you,MUQ.Give proper reasons to support your claims.
Again you are going away from our main topic. I don't know why you came back and joined the discussion.

Stay on the topic and do not diverge. Or choose another name and start another discussion, I do not want to have two different discussion with the same person on the same thread.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#18615 Sep 23, 2013
Qualities of a True Prophet of God:

O2: Fifteenth Quality : Teachings of Prophet:(Contd)

Related to Rituals:

Even though they might differ in shapes and looks and details and frequency and how they are performed, followings are always included in the rituals, which prophet ask their followers to perform:

1. Regular Prayers:

They are performed to thank God for His Blessings and to ask for His Favours and Sing His praises.

2. Regular Charity:

Every prophet asks his followers to spend some portion of their provisions to the cause of God and in helping deprived sections of the society.

3. Fasting in one form or another:

This is also a part of religious rituals. By refraining from food or drinks the followers try to overcome their animal instincts and increase their spiritual powers.

4. Pilgrimage to a fixed location:

This is also a ritual which Prophets teach to their followers. Sometime animal sacrifices are also part of this pilgrimage and some time they might be not.

Presence of these rituals in any religious society, speak of their common heritage and their common source.

O3. Litmus Test that any Claimant is A True Prophet of God:

What is mentioned about Basic Article of Faiths and Basic Item of Rituals are in fact the Litmus test to find if any claimant to the Prophethood is a True Prophet or a false prophet.

Because True Prophets of God come from God and false Prophets are agents of Satan, and Satan would do anything and every thing but to ask people to follow these basic teachings.

Using another allegorical language, these items are “Fruits of a Prophet”. As some Well Known Prophet of God (not taking names as per policy-MUQ) is supposed to have said “…You will recognize them by their fruits. Do you ever pick grapes from thorn bushes or figs from thistles? A Good tree always produces good fruit, a rotten tree produces bad fruit…. By their fruits you shall recognize them”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#18616 Sep 23, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Again you are going away from our main topic. I don't know why you came back and joined the discussion.
Stay on the topic and do not diverge. Or choose another name and start another discussion, I do not want to have two different discussion with the same person on the same thread.
The main topic, as it has always been, is you proving your god, instead of shamelessly lying to us.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#18617 Sep 23, 2013
MUQ wrote:
Qualities of a True Prophet of God:
O2: Fifteenth Quality : Teachings of Prophet:(Contd)
Related to Rituals:
Even though they might differ in shapes and looks and details and frequency and how they are performed, followings are always included in the rituals, which prophet ask their followers to perform:
1. Regular Prayers:
They are performed to thank God for His Blessings and to ask for His Favours and Sing His praises.
2. Regular Charity:
Every prophet asks his followers to spend some portion of their provisions to the cause of God and in helping deprived sections of the society.
3. Fasting in one form or another:
This is also a part of religious rituals. By refraining from food or drinks the followers try to overcome their animal instincts and increase their spiritual powers.
4. Pilgrimage to a fixed location:
This is also a ritual which Prophets teach to their followers. Sometime animal sacrifices are also part of this pilgrimage and some time they might be not.
Presence of these rituals in any religious society, speak of their common heritage and their common source.
O3. Litmus Test that any Claimant is A True Prophet of God:
What is mentioned about Basic Article of Faiths and Basic Item of Rituals are in fact the Litmus test to find if any claimant to the Prophethood is a True Prophet or a false prophet.
Because True Prophets of God come from God and false Prophets are agents of Satan, and Satan would do anything and every thing but to ask people to follow these basic teachings.
Using another allegorical language, these items are “Fruits of a Prophet”. As some Well Known Prophet of God (not taking names as per policy-MUQ) is supposed to have said “…You will recognize them by their fruits. Do you ever pick grapes from thorn bushes or figs from thistles? A Good tree always produces good fruit, a rotten tree produces bad fruit…. By their fruits you shall recognize them”
Worthless lies with no evidence to back them up
reasoner

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#18618 Sep 24, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
The main topic, as it has always been, is you proving your god, instead of shamelessly lying to us.
Well said. As well as lying to us, he is also lying to himself. Which is what religion does to people.

reasoner (formerly spudgun)
reasoner

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#18619 Sep 24, 2013
MUQ wrote:
4. Pilgrimage to a fixed location:
This is also a ritual which Prophets teach to their followers. Sometime animal sacrifices are also part of this pilgrimage and some time they might be not.
Occasionally some truth comes out by mistake. Animal sacrifices, eh? Lmao. Doesnt that seem a little stone age for some all knowing deity?
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#18620 Sep 24, 2013
reasoner wrote:
<quoted text>
Occasionally some truth comes out by mistake. Animal sacrifices, eh? Lmao. Doesnt that seem a little stone age for some all knowing deity?
Are you allergic to "animal sacrifices"?

Is your food entirely vegetarian all the time?

What about the rest of humanity, who eat non veg food all the time?

If it is OH to kill animals for food, what is so strange to offer them as sacrifice? What reaches to God is neither blood or flesh of animals, but the piety in the heart of devotees.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#18621 Sep 24, 2013
spider wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry you find the conversation boring Ed....
Sorry, I was aiming for humour, not insult.

But really, asking Muq questions about the paedophile prophet seems to be feeding the madness instead of confronting it. I appreciate that people are trying patiently to let him see the insanity of his prattle, but I don't think Islamism and similar mental afflictions work that way. It just looks like we're humouring him, or maybe even encouraging him.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#18622 Sep 24, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
...If it is OK to kill animals for food, what is so strange to offer them as sacrifice?....
Animal lovers take note.

Talk about the dark ages!
rio

London, UK

#18624 Sep 24, 2013
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>Animal lovers take note.
Talk about the dark ages!
I'm afraid that, on that account, MUQ is right.
There is a lot of hypocrosy on this subject.

You love animal and don't breed them for killing.

Or you decide to breed them for food.

In this case, there is very little difference in the killing methods.

It's mostly husbandry, and transport, that are cruel to animal.

There is very little to choose between sacrificial ritual killing and the assembly-line stunning operations perfotmed in conventional abatoirs.
Visit a slaughterhouse to see for yourself.

Real animal lovers are vegetarian and vegan!!!
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#18625 Sep 24, 2013
rio wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm afraid that, on that account, MUQ is right.
There is a lot of hypocrosy on this subject.
You love animal and don't breed them for killing.
Or you decide to breed them for food.
In this case, there is very little difference in the killing methods.
It's mostly husbandry, and transport, that are cruel to animal.
There is very little to choose between sacrificial ritual killing and the assembly-line stunning operations perfotmed in conventional abatoirs.
Visit a slaughterhouse to see for yourself.
Real animal lovers are vegetarian and vegan!!!
Thanks for the reply, but I think most people will see your hypocrisy and ignorance, Rio. And the insanity of religion, especially Islamism

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