Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

There are 23584 comments on the Psychology Today story from Apr 25, 2012, titled Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038. In it, Psychology Today reports that:

My blog posts on religion have attracted a lot of controversy. Religious people are annoyed by my claim that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

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“The holy experience”

Since: Mar 12

Mumbai, India

#18551 Sep 18, 2013
spudgun wrote:
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The same ones mentioned in the bible i.e. a flat earth.
Only believers will interpret their holy books is imaginative ways to get around what they are relaly saying. A straight forward reading of the Bible and Quran shows the authors believed in 6 days creation and in a flat earth.
Are these what he calls "scientific miracles"?
spudgun

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#18552 Sep 18, 2013
fadu singh wrote:
<quoted text>
Are these what he calls "scientific miracles"?
There are several claimed scientific miracles, as there are in the bible.

For example in the Quran it says "Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were of one piece, then We parted them", which they claim refers to the Big Bang. Its reading something into it, that isnt there; which is exactly what the Christians do to the Bible.

The flat earth was the conventional world view up until the 17th century. This is why both the bible and the quran talk about the earth being flat. The Quran mentions that the world was "laid out" or "made flat" 88:18-19.

The bible claims the earth is either flat or rectangular.

Hence in Matthew "Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world".. Jesus is shown the entire world on top of a mountain, which is obviously not possible with a sperical earth.

"And after these things I saw four angels standing on four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth," Revelation 7:1.. the earth having four corners, this being the alternative rectangular option.

Bizarrely one of the reasons given by an early "church father" for chosing four gospels out of a choice of dozens, was on the basis that the earth had four corners!

“The holy experience”

Since: Mar 12

Mumbai, India

#18553 Sep 18, 2013
spudgun wrote:
<quoted text>
There are several claimed scientific miracles, as there are in the bible.
For example in the Quran it says "Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were of one piece, then We parted them", which they claim refers to the Big Bang. Its reading something into it, that isnt there; which is exactly what the Christians do to the Bible.
The flat earth was the conventional world view up until the 17th century. This is why both the bible and the quran talk about the earth being flat. The Quran mentions that the world was "laid out" or "made flat" 88:18-19.
The bible claims the earth is either flat or rectangular.
Hence in Matthew "Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world".. Jesus is shown the entire world on top of a mountain, which is obviously not possible with a sperical earth.
"And after these things I saw four angels standing on four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth," Revelation 7:1.. the earth having four corners, this being the alternative rectangular option.
Bizarrely one of the reasons given by an early "church father" for chosing four gospels out of a choice of dozens, was on the basis that the earth had four corners!
Same shits in different piles..:)
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#18554 Sep 18, 2013

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#18556 Sep 18, 2013
Thinking wrote:
You've had 1400 years to bury the truth but people still believe the quran was cobbled together long after mohammed went to paedo heaven.
<quoted text>
Yep.

Besides, Moohumud was illiterate and pretty much a low-grade moron.

There is no way he had anything to do with writing an actual ... book.
Thinking

UK

#18557 Sep 18, 2013
Maybe it was acceptable to murder and sleep with six year olds in his day but there is nothing to admire about mohammed today.
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Yep.
Besides, Moohumud was illiterate and pretty much a low-grade moron.
There is no way he had anything to do with writing an actual ... book.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#18558 Sep 18, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Maybe it was acceptable to murder and sleep with six year olds in his day but there is nothing to admire about mohammed today.
<quoted text>
Agreed. He is an idealized monster. Damn good thing he never actually existed as portrayed.

(well, apart from the pedophilia and illiteracy--- that I can easily believe)

“Right click Left click Yay!”

Since: Dec 10

Nehwon

#18559 Sep 18, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
1. Jizya:
That Tax is not for God, for He is free of all wants from us humans.
The money is to be spent on poor of the society. Where your Tax money goes by the way?
2. On Isreal:
I did not see that destroying Isreal will solve "all" of world's problem.
I said destroying Isreal would solve "Most" of the problems western world is having with Muslim world.
Try it and see the result.
3. On True Prophets:
One can recognize a true prophet of God, by verifying that he possess "most" of the qualities mentioned in the list.
I am not yet taking any names, but we will reach to that stage when we are thru with the list.
4. Our Prophet, Last Prophet or Anti-Christ:
He is the Last Prophet, because no True Prophet has come into the world for past 1400 years and none is expected.
He cannot be Anti- Christ, because he asked his followers to believe in Jesus Christ. He restored Jesus to his true position and removed all the falsehood which those exaggerating Christians had put around him and made him almost a magical figure.
Our prophet was the "True Benefactor" of Jesus Christ, how can he be Anti Christ?
You have combined a number of posts into one reply covering different arguments. I cannot adequately reply to all of your reply with the limits of Topix.

If I was a suspicious sort, I'd say this was by design a la the Gish Gallop.

But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Start here and reply for each post:

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#18560 Sep 18, 2013
fadu singh wrote:
<quoted text>If whatever you've said is true,then Muhammad did exist.
What are the scientific facts that are mentioned in Quran?
This is another topic and not connected with what we have, so let us concentrate on "What are qualities of True Prophet of God"
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#18561 Sep 18, 2013
greymouser wrote:
<quoted text>
You have combined a number of posts into one reply covering different arguments. I cannot adequately reply to all of your reply with the limits of Topix.
If I was a suspicious sort, I'd say this was by design a la the Gish Gallop.
But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Start here and reply for each post:
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...
That is very good, please ask a single question and we can have some fun!!
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#18562 Sep 18, 2013
Qualities of a True Prophet of God:

N: Thirteenth Quality: Prophesy:

Some Prophets foretell Future Events:

Prophets receive their information directly from the Most Reliable source of all, i.e. God Almighty, Who gives them some insight about some future events. Prophets tell them to their followers, these are called Prophesies.

A prophesy from a Prophet’s lip is different from the “Guess work and logical conclusions” which wise and knowledgeable people or Magicians and Soothsayers and Astrologers say.

A prophesy from True Prophet of God is always fulfilled, while most of the prophesies and predictions from these wise men and soothsayers and magicians go wrong.

Prophesies in reality are word representations of a future event and they are never told with exact details. A few important hints and signs are given and when the event comes to pass, people relate it to prophesy made by the prophets.

A prophesy made by a prophet could be fulfilled during his life time, within a short time or fulfilled after many centuries so to say.

When a particular prophesy shall be fulfilled is derived from the wordings and hints given, there could be differences and scholars might disagree on their exact fulfillment.

N1: Making Prophesy is not an essential condition of a Prophet:

It is not a must that every prophet must make Prophesies. There could be prophets who have not made any prophesy. It has no status on their status or position of Prophethood.

N2. Sometime a prophet might make prophesy about advent of another prophet:

It could happen that some prophets, from the knowledge they receive from God, might make prediction about some other prophet that is to come into the world.

Usually such predictions are about some Major Prophets that would change the course of human history. The exact details about time and detailed qualities are however not mentioned, but sufficient hints are given, using which people with knowledge can identify the prophet when he appears into the world.

All major prophets have told their followers about the Last and Final prophet of God that would come into the world.

PS:

Please remember that my last sentence is speculative and it is better if we just list it and discuss it in detail, when we discuss names of the prophets. If someone objects, I can expunge this last sentence.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#18563 Sep 18, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
This is another topic and not connected with what we have, so let us concentrate on "What are qualities of True Prophet of God"
Pedophilia?

Illiteracy?

<laughing>

“Right click Left click Yay!”

Since: Dec 10

Nehwon

#18564 Sep 18, 2013
henry wrote:
<quoted text>
The fact is peoples will not have enough time any more to figure out a long debate about religions or not in the nuclear Age. Not the Religion is the urgent Thing humanity has to solve it is to get rid fast from Atom Desaster as quickly as possible. If not we are on the verge of nihilating the human race. That is the question. to be or not to be. That is the number one question of survival.
Bookmark for me.

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...

When I have more free time, I'll play with you.

(Fair warning - brush up on your physics for I may use how traveling faster than the speed of a horse is degrading DNA such that humans will devolve back to tetrapods in your great-grand-children's time. Maybe not yours specifically because you reproducing sounds ridiculous. but time wise.)
spudgun

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#18565 Sep 19, 2013
MUQ wrote:
..Prophets receive their information directly from the Most Reliable source of all, i.e. God Almighty, Who gives them some insight about some future events.
There are planty of people today who claim that God is speaking to them. Those people are having auditory hallucinations. Today we call that schizophrenia. It is a medical condition, a diagnosable mental illness.
spudgun

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#18566 Sep 19, 2013
Muq, mental illness is a lot easier to understand when looking from the outside at other belief systems.

Pentecostal Christians who speak in tongues, fall on the floor, writhing around, talking gibberish; they are clearly crazy.

Catholic Christians who believe that when the priest prays over a wafer of bread it becomes the body/flesh of Jesus, a Jewish man who lived 2000 years ago, and the wine becomes his actual blood. They then eat the bread/flesh, and the priest drinks the wine/blood; thinking this is real flesh and blood. You know this is crazy.

UFO cults/conspiracies who believe the earth has been visited by alien races, some even thinking the planet is run by reptilians, and our illuminati overlords are shape shifters. You also know this is crazy.

If you could "step out" of your muslim bubble and view the belief system as an outsider, you would also see it is crazy and the followers as mentally ill. This is the nature of faith.
spider

Chatteris, UK

#18567 Sep 19, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
This is another topic and not connected with what we have, so let us concentrate on "What are qualities of True Prophet of God"
You brought up the subject of scientific facts written in the koran,, you and no one else,, answer the mans question if you can.
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#18568 Sep 19, 2013
spider wrote:
<quoted text>
You brought up the subject of scientific facts written in the koran,, you and no one else,, answer the mans question if you can.
You complete the discussion of Qualities of True prophet of God, before asking other question.

Or change your name to be hidden from public eye.
spudgun

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#18569 Sep 19, 2013
MUQ - I see you ignore my comments as usual. The truth is that religion is a mental illness. You are mentally ill. To insist invisible friends are real and to be a god-botherer on an Atheism forum is proof of this. Sorry to break the news to you.

“The holy experience”

Since: Mar 12

Mumbai, India

#18570 Sep 19, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
This is another topic and not connected with what we have, so let us concentrate on "What are qualities of True Prophet of God"
Ok.But tell me whether the qualities of a true prophet that you've mentioned so far were known to the people who lived before Muhammad?

“The holy experience”

Since: Mar 12

Mumbai, India

#18571 Sep 19, 2013
MUQ wrote:
Qualities of a True Prophet of God:
N: Thirteenth Quality: Prophesy:
Some Prophets foretell Future Events:
Prophets receive their information directly from the Most Reliable source of all, i.e. God Almighty, Who gives them some insight about some future events. Prophets tell them to their followers, these are called Prophesies.
A prophesy from a Prophet’s lip is different from the “Guess work and logical conclusions” which wise and knowledgeable people or Magicians and Soothsayers and Astrologers say.
A prophesy from True Prophet of God is always fulfilled, while most of the prophesies and predictions from these wise men and soothsayers and magicians go wrong.
Prophesies in reality are word representations of a future event and they are never told with exact details. A few important hints and signs are given and when the event comes to pass, people relate it to prophesy made by the prophets.
A prophesy made by a prophet could be fulfilled during his life time, within a short time or fulfilled after many centuries so to say.
When a particular prophesy shall be fulfilled is derived from the wordings and hints given, there could be differences and scholars might disagree on their exact fulfillment.
N1: Making Prophesy is not an essential condition of a Prophet:
It is not a must that every prophet must make Prophesies. There could be prophets who have not made any prophesy. It has no status on their status or position of Prophethood.
N2. Sometime a prophet might make prophesy about advent of another prophet:
It could happen that some prophets, from the knowledge they receive from God, might make prediction about some other prophet that is to come into the world.
Usually such predictions are about some Major Prophets that would change the course of human history. The exact details about time and detailed qualities are however not mentioned, but sufficient hints are given, using which people with knowledge can identify the prophet when he appears into the world.
All major prophets have told their followers about the Last and Final prophet of God that would come into the world.
PS:
Please remember that my last sentence is speculative and it is better if we just list it and discuss it in detail, when we discuss names of the prophets. If someone objects, I can expunge this last sentence.
Would you give evidences to support your claim that prophets really did make predictions of events that happened and/or seem to be imminent and probable in future?

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