Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

There are 24182 comments on the Psychology Today story from Apr 25, 2012, titled Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038. In it, Psychology Today reports that:

My blog posts on religion have attracted a lot of controversy. Religious people are annoyed by my claim that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

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henry

Altengottern, Germany

#18542 Sep 17, 2013
LCNLin wrote:
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Atheist for President of the USA not in the cards at the moment.
Maybe Prime Minister of the UK?
"Atheist for president of the USA or any other silly questions like this in the nuclear Inferno Japan is bringing the real important question to the forfront for humanity. Religions are therefore only of second class for humanity. The US wars are suicadal for the whole race of course including the United States. I don`t think humanity is getting rid of capitalism. Though we are on our way of Extermination. Any else is of minor importance.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#18543 Sep 17, 2013
spudgun wrote:
A story that may be of interest. Nasa's voyager 1 has left the solar system and is now exploring interstellar space.
Radio signals show it is 12 billion miles away.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/articl...
"It is 36 years since the twin Voyager 1 and 2 spacecraft were launched and the pair continue to explore where nothing from Earth has flown before.

Their primary mission was the exploration of Jupiter and Saturn.
After making a string of discoveries there -- such as active volcanoes on Jupiter's moon Io and intricacies of Saturn's rings -- the mission was extended.

Voyager 2 went on to explore Uranus and Neptune, and is still the only spacecraft to have visited those outer planets.
The current mission for both spacecraft, the Voyager Interstellar Mission, is to explore the outermost edge of the Sun's domain and beyond."

And this scientific achievements are real, unlike creationist myths.
If only we could get as excellent a value from more mundane enterprises.

If you figure the cost of the entire Voyager program as compared to the miles traveled, or to the length of time-on-the-job?

Voyager was a bargain of the century, even out-stripping the amazing performance of the Mars rovers.

Amazing.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#18544 Sep 18, 2013
fadu singh wrote:
<quoted text>

01. Okay ,Even I have heard that Quran and subsequent Muslim books were written after 200 years following Muhammad's death.

02. What happened in that period of 200 years? Why Quran didn't take physical form in those years? How could the writers of Quran verify the informations they'd gathered from?

03. The last question is a crucial one. The answer to that question would decide if Quran was really a "miracle" or just another unwarranted theory.

PS: You can answer these questions one by one and need not mingle up.
01. What you have "heard" is wrong!!

The Quran was written down in "book form" within two years of the death of prophet. It was not written down in "Book form" during the life time of prophet, because it was not sure that the process of revelation has finished.

But after death of prophet, it became clear that now no more revelation is possible, so the companions of prophet (who were in many thousands at that time), agreed to put that down in book form and it was done.

Then during the reign of Third Caliph (Othman), authentic copies were made from that Quran and dispatched to all major cities of Islamic Empire.

And two of those copies survive to this day.

So your "surmise" that Quran was written 200 years after death of prophet is totally wrong and unfounded.

02. The books of sayings of prophet, called Hadith, what we have today were written after 100 years and the reasons are very clear.

In initial days, people did not want to write sayings of prophet, so that people do not get confused and confuse it with Quran.

But once Quran was well established, people started writing sayings of prophet.

First collections were seen within 100 years of death of prophet, but books which we have today , date from 200 years on wards.

But, people should not get confused, each narration has a chain of narrators, each of them is well known and we can trace authenticity of each Hadith.

Such a thing is not possible for any other book written in the world.

3. Quran is a miracle in many sense. It is a Literally miracle in Arabic language and no human can match it in eloquence and style.

Then it is miracle in its contents and teachings, its teachings are always balaced and golden mean between two extremes.

It is only book which is always current and never gets outdated.

It keeps pace with science and scientific discoveries.

There are many qualities of Quran which make it beyond human ability and fit to be called a miracle.
Thinking

Royston, UK

#18545 Sep 18, 2013
You've had 1400 years to bury the truth but people still believe the quran was cobbled together long after mohammed went to paedo heaven.
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
01. What you have "heard" is wrong!!
The Quran was written down in "book form" within two years of the death of prophet. It was not written down in "Book form" during the life time of prophet, because it was not sure that the process of revelation has finished.
But after death of prophet, it became clear that now no more revelation is possible, so the companions of prophet (who were in many thousands at that time), agreed to put that down in book form and it was done.
Then during the reign of Third Caliph (Othman), authentic copies were made from that Quran and dispatched to all major cities of Islamic Empire.
And two of those copies survive to this day.
So your "surmise" that Quran was written 200 years after death of prophet is totally wrong and unfounded.
02. The books of sayings of prophet, called Hadith, what we have today were written after 100 years and the reasons are very clear.
In initial days, people did not want to write sayings of prophet, so that people do not get confused and confuse it with Quran.
But once Quran was well established, people started writing sayings of prophet.
First collections were seen within 100 years of death of prophet, but books which we have today , date from 200 years on wards.
But, people should not get confused, each narration has a chain of narrators, each of them is well known and we can trace authenticity of each Hadith.
Such a thing is not possible for any other book written in the world.
3. Quran is a miracle in many sense. It is a Literally miracle in Arabic language and no human can match it in eloquence and style.
Then it is miracle in its contents and teachings, its teachings are always balaced and golden mean between two extremes.
It is only book which is always current and never gets outdated.
It keeps pace with science and scientific discoveries.
There are many qualities of Quran which make it beyond human ability and fit to be called a miracle.

Since: Mar 12

Mumbai, India

#18546 Sep 18, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
01. What you have "heard" is wrong!!
The Quran was written down in "book form" within two years of the death of prophet. It was not written down in "Book form" during the life time of prophet, because it was not sure that the process of revelation has finished.
But after death of prophet, it became clear that now no more revelation is possible, so the companions of prophet (who were in many thousands at that time), agreed to put that down in book form and it was done.
Then during the reign of Third Caliph (Othman), authentic copies were made from that Quran and dispatched to all major cities of Islamic Empire.
And two of those copies survive to this day.
So your "surmise" that Quran was written 200 years after death of prophet is totally wrong and unfounded.
02. The books of sayings of prophet, called Hadith, what we have today were written after 100 years and the reasons are very clear.
In initial days, people did not want to write sayings of prophet, so that people do not get confused and confuse it with Quran.
But once Quran was well established, people started writing sayings of prophet.
First collections were seen within 100 years of death of prophet, but books which we have today , date from 200 years on wards.
But, people should not get confused, each narration has a chain of narrators, each of them is well known and we can trace authenticity of each Hadith.
Such a thing is not possible for any other book written in the world.
3. Quran is a miracle in many sense. It is a Literally miracle in Arabic language and no human can match it in eloquence and style.
Then it is miracle in its contents and teachings, its teachings are always balaced and golden mean between two extremes.
It is only book which is always current and never gets outdated.
It keeps pace with science and scientific discoveries.
There are many qualities of Quran which make it beyond human ability and fit to be called a miracle.
If whatever you've said is true,then Muhammad did exist.
What are the scientific facts that are mentioned in Quran?
spudgun

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#18547 Sep 18, 2013
fadu singh wrote:
<quoted text>What are the scientific facts that are mentioned in Quran?
The same ones mentioned in the bible i.e. a flat earth.

Only believers will interpret their holy books is imaginative ways to get around what they are relaly saying. A straight forward reading of the Bible and Quran shows the authors believed in 6 days creation and in a flat earth.
spudgun

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#18548 Sep 18, 2013
Thinking wrote:
.. people still believe the quran was cobbled together long after mohammed went to paedo heaven.
<quoted text>
Muhammed knew his target audience. Which buttons to press. An uneducated arab of the 7th century given a choice between burning in hell for eternity or 72 virgins in paradise. And no alternative. It is obvious which one he would go for.
spudgun

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#18549 Sep 18, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>.. many qualities of Quran which make it beyond human ability and fit to be called a miracle.
The only miracle here is that theists like yourself >still< believe in this nonsense, given what you know from being on this forum.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#18550 Sep 18, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
01. What you have "heard" is wrong!!
The Quran was written down in "book form" within two years of the death of prophet. It was not written down in "Book form" during the life time of prophet, because it was not sure that the process of revelation has finished.
But after death of prophet, it became clear that now no more revelation is possible, so the companions of prophet (who were in many thousands at that time), agreed to put that down in book form and it was done.
Then during the reign of Third Caliph (Othman), authentic copies were made from that Quran and dispatched to all major cities of Islamic Empire.
And two of those copies survive to this day.
So your "surmise" that Quran was written 200 years after death of prophet is totally wrong and unfounded.
02. The books of sayings of prophet, called Hadith, what we have today were written after 100 years and the reasons are very clear.
In initial days, people did not want to write sayings of prophet, so that people do not get confused and confuse it with Quran.
But once Quran was well established, people started writing sayings of prophet.
First collections were seen within 100 years of death of prophet, but books which we have today , date from 200 years on wards.
But, people should not get confused, each narration has a chain of narrators, each of them is well known and we can trace authenticity of each Hadith.
Such a thing is not possible for any other book written in the world.
3. Quran is a miracle in many sense. It is a Literally miracle in Arabic language and no human can match it in eloquence and style.
Then it is miracle in its contents and teachings, its teachings are always balaced and golden mean between two extremes.
It is only book which is always current and never gets outdated.
It keeps pace with science and scientific discoveries.
There are many qualities of Quran which make it beyond human ability and fit to be called a miracle.
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Since: Mar 12

Mumbai, India

#18551 Sep 18, 2013
spudgun wrote:
<quoted text>
The same ones mentioned in the bible i.e. a flat earth.
Only believers will interpret their holy books is imaginative ways to get around what they are relaly saying. A straight forward reading of the Bible and Quran shows the authors believed in 6 days creation and in a flat earth.
Are these what he calls "scientific miracles"?
spudgun

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#18552 Sep 18, 2013
fadu singh wrote:
<quoted text>
Are these what he calls "scientific miracles"?
There are several claimed scientific miracles, as there are in the bible.

For example in the Quran it says "Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were of one piece, then We parted them", which they claim refers to the Big Bang. Its reading something into it, that isnt there; which is exactly what the Christians do to the Bible.

The flat earth was the conventional world view up until the 17th century. This is why both the bible and the quran talk about the earth being flat. The Quran mentions that the world was "laid out" or "made flat" 88:18-19.

The bible claims the earth is either flat or rectangular.

Hence in Matthew "Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world".. Jesus is shown the entire world on top of a mountain, which is obviously not possible with a sperical earth.

"And after these things I saw four angels standing on four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth," Revelation 7:1.. the earth having four corners, this being the alternative rectangular option.

Bizarrely one of the reasons given by an early "church father" for chosing four gospels out of a choice of dozens, was on the basis that the earth had four corners!

Since: Mar 12

Mumbai, India

#18553 Sep 18, 2013
spudgun wrote:
<quoted text>
There are several claimed scientific miracles, as there are in the bible.
For example in the Quran it says "Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were of one piece, then We parted them", which they claim refers to the Big Bang. Its reading something into it, that isnt there; which is exactly what the Christians do to the Bible.
The flat earth was the conventional world view up until the 17th century. This is why both the bible and the quran talk about the earth being flat. The Quran mentions that the world was "laid out" or "made flat" 88:18-19.
The bible claims the earth is either flat or rectangular.
Hence in Matthew "Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world".. Jesus is shown the entire world on top of a mountain, which is obviously not possible with a sperical earth.
"And after these things I saw four angels standing on four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth," Revelation 7:1.. the earth having four corners, this being the alternative rectangular option.
Bizarrely one of the reasons given by an early "church father" for chosing four gospels out of a choice of dozens, was on the basis that the earth had four corners!
Same shits in different piles..:)
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#18554 Sep 18, 2013

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#18556 Sep 18, 2013
Thinking wrote:
You've had 1400 years to bury the truth but people still believe the quran was cobbled together long after mohammed went to paedo heaven.
<quoted text>
Yep.

Besides, Moohumud was illiterate and pretty much a low-grade moron.

There is no way he had anything to do with writing an actual ... book.
Thinking

Royston, UK

#18557 Sep 18, 2013
Maybe it was acceptable to murder and sleep with six year olds in his day but there is nothing to admire about mohammed today.
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Yep.
Besides, Moohumud was illiterate and pretty much a low-grade moron.
There is no way he had anything to do with writing an actual ... book.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#18558 Sep 18, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Maybe it was acceptable to murder and sleep with six year olds in his day but there is nothing to admire about mohammed today.
<quoted text>
Agreed. He is an idealized monster. Damn good thing he never actually existed as portrayed.

(well, apart from the pedophilia and illiteracy--- that I can easily believe)

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Since: Dec 10

Nehwon

#18559 Sep 18, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
1. Jizya:
That Tax is not for God, for He is free of all wants from us humans.
The money is to be spent on poor of the society. Where your Tax money goes by the way?
2. On Isreal:
I did not see that destroying Isreal will solve "all" of world's problem.
I said destroying Isreal would solve "Most" of the problems western world is having with Muslim world.
Try it and see the result.
3. On True Prophets:
One can recognize a true prophet of God, by verifying that he possess "most" of the qualities mentioned in the list.
I am not yet taking any names, but we will reach to that stage when we are thru with the list.
4. Our Prophet, Last Prophet or Anti-Christ:
He is the Last Prophet, because no True Prophet has come into the world for past 1400 years and none is expected.
He cannot be Anti- Christ, because he asked his followers to believe in Jesus Christ. He restored Jesus to his true position and removed all the falsehood which those exaggerating Christians had put around him and made him almost a magical figure.
Our prophet was the "True Benefactor" of Jesus Christ, how can he be Anti Christ?
You have combined a number of posts into one reply covering different arguments. I cannot adequately reply to all of your reply with the limits of Topix.

If I was a suspicious sort, I'd say this was by design a la the Gish Gallop.

But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Start here and reply for each post:

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#18560 Sep 18, 2013
fadu singh wrote:
<quoted text>If whatever you've said is true,then Muhammad did exist.
What are the scientific facts that are mentioned in Quran?
This is another topic and not connected with what we have, so let us concentrate on "What are qualities of True Prophet of God"
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#18561 Sep 18, 2013
greymouser wrote:
<quoted text>
You have combined a number of posts into one reply covering different arguments. I cannot adequately reply to all of your reply with the limits of Topix.
If I was a suspicious sort, I'd say this was by design a la the Gish Gallop.
But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Start here and reply for each post:
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...
That is very good, please ask a single question and we can have some fun!!
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#18562 Sep 18, 2013
Qualities of a True Prophet of God:

N: Thirteenth Quality: Prophesy:

Some Prophets foretell Future Events:

Prophets receive their information directly from the Most Reliable source of all, i.e. God Almighty, Who gives them some insight about some future events. Prophets tell them to their followers, these are called Prophesies.

A prophesy from a Prophet’s lip is different from the “Guess work and logical conclusions” which wise and knowledgeable people or Magicians and Soothsayers and Astrologers say.

A prophesy from True Prophet of God is always fulfilled, while most of the prophesies and predictions from these wise men and soothsayers and magicians go wrong.

Prophesies in reality are word representations of a future event and they are never told with exact details. A few important hints and signs are given and when the event comes to pass, people relate it to prophesy made by the prophets.

A prophesy made by a prophet could be fulfilled during his life time, within a short time or fulfilled after many centuries so to say.

When a particular prophesy shall be fulfilled is derived from the wordings and hints given, there could be differences and scholars might disagree on their exact fulfillment.

N1: Making Prophesy is not an essential condition of a Prophet:

It is not a must that every prophet must make Prophesies. There could be prophets who have not made any prophesy. It has no status on their status or position of Prophethood.

N2. Sometime a prophet might make prophesy about advent of another prophet:

It could happen that some prophets, from the knowledge they receive from God, might make prediction about some other prophet that is to come into the world.

Usually such predictions are about some Major Prophets that would change the course of human history. The exact details about time and detailed qualities are however not mentioned, but sufficient hints are given, using which people with knowledge can identify the prophet when he appears into the world.

All major prophets have told their followers about the Last and Final prophet of God that would come into the world.

PS:

Please remember that my last sentence is speculative and it is better if we just list it and discuss it in detail, when we discuss names of the prophets. If someone objects, I can expunge this last sentence.

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