Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

There are 24178 comments on the Psychology Today story from Apr 25, 2012, titled Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038. In it, Psychology Today reports that:

My blog posts on religion have attracted a lot of controversy. Religious people are annoyed by my claim that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

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MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#17677 Jul 16, 2013
SG wrote:
1.

I know full well that prophesies are made in generalized terms and never specific ones.

There is an easy answer to this.

>>It is because no God is involved.<<

These "prophets" have no special powers :) Its blindingly obvious to those of us who have escaped the religious bubble.

2.

Precise prophecies are risky. They have a very high probability of being wrong. That is why "prophets" of the Bible and the Quran were unable to prophesy anything of any worth.

If they were really speaking on behalf of an omnipotent being they could instead write about something useful like electricity, penicillin, germ theory, cures for cancer, etc.

Yet surprise, surprise the best these prophets can do is write exactly as you would expect from primitive and uneducated people.
Ans.

1. If you prophesize about some vent that comes into pass, many centuries afterwards, you will also use the "same language"?

Don't you know that language, phrases and so many things get changed as time passes?

For example if I give you a sample of 2000 years old English language, you will not understand a word of it!!

2. So the ignorance part is on your side and not on the part of either God or the Prophets of God.

3. If they used this words, Electricity, Penicillin, Internet etc… 4000 years back, people would have considered them mad.

For example if someone would have used the word "Internet" 100 years back, how would people have reacted?

3. May be after 200 years, our age would be called "primitive".

4. Your boasts only show your ignorance and nothing more.

Richardfs

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#17678 Jul 16, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
1. If you prophesize about some vent that comes into pass, many centuries afterwards, you will also use the "same language"?
Don't you know that language, phrases and so many things get changed as time passes?
For example if I give you a sample of 2000 years old English language, you will not understand a word of it!!
2. So the ignorance part is on your side and not on the part of either God or the Prophets of God.
3. If they used this words, Electricity, Penicillin, Internet etc… 4000 years back, people would have considered them mad.
For example if someone would have used the word "Internet" 100 years back, how would people have reacted?
3. May be after 200 years, our age would be called "primitive".
4. Your boasts only show your ignorance and nothing more.
Why does your religion abuse, rape and murder little girls?
spudgun

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#17679 Jul 16, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
..3. May be after 200 years, our age would be called "primitive".
The people who write the Bible and Quran can be considered primtive compared to most people today.

Today we rightly reject slavery, sex-slavery, stoning people to death, and other barbaric laws and punishments.

We now reject superstitious beliefs like exorcisms and blood letting. The enlightened amongst us also reject prayer.

If you have any sense you will take an antibiotic for illness, rather than engage in prayer alone.

It is science and education that make us different from people in ancient societies. It is not that they were stupid, it is just that they were very superstitious. The superstition, magnified by the organised superstition of religion, made people in the past appear stupid by acting in irrational ways and doing craxy things.
spudgun

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#17680 Jul 16, 2013
Richardfs wrote:
<quoted text>
Why does your religion abuse, rape and murder little girls?
Simple answer. Because the founder of Islam was a child abuser. As proven in Islamic sources Muhammed's bride was a mere 6 years of age.
Thinking

Lymington, UK

#17681 Jul 16, 2013
When will islamic female genital mutilation end?
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
1. If you prophesize about some vent that comes into pass, many centuries afterwards, you will also use the "same language"?
Don't you know that language, phrases and so many things get changed as time passes?
For example if I give you a sample of 2000 years old English language, you will not understand a word of it!!
2. So the ignorance part is on your side and not on the part of either God or the Prophets of God.
3. If they used this words, Electricity, Penicillin, Internet etc… 4000 years back, people would have considered them mad.
For example if someone would have used the word "Internet" 100 years back, how would people have reacted?
3. May be after 200 years, our age would be called "primitive".
4. Your boasts only show your ignorance and nothing more.
spudgun

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#17682 Jul 16, 2013
Richardfs wrote:
<quoted text>
Why does your religion abuse, rape and murder little girls?
The acts of evil my priests and muslims towards children is proof that there is no God. If there was an all-loving God then it is reasonsable to expect him to stop such abuse from happening. As no intervention is made then no God exists.

Richardfs

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#17683 Jul 16, 2013
spudgun wrote:
<quoted text>
The acts of evil my priests and muslims towards children is proof that there is no God. If there was an all-loving God then it is reasonsable to expect him to stop such abuse from happening. As no intervention is made then no God exists.
Too bloody true.
Thinking

Lymington, UK

#17684 Jul 16, 2013
I also see no evidence for a god.
If any god exists, it can not be compassionate and all powerful.
spudgun wrote:
<quoted text>
The acts of evil my priests and muslims towards children is proof that there is no God. If there was an all-loving God then it is reasonsable to expect him to stop such abuse from happening. As no intervention is made then no God exists.
spudgun

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#17685 Jul 16, 2013
Thinking wrote:
I also see no evidence for a god.
If any god exists, it can not be compassionate and all powerful.
<quoted text>
I gues the other alternatives are having an evil God or an indifferent God.

Maybe an evil God would explain why bad things happen to good people. Maybe Muq can answer this, does Allah hate unbelievers and love believers?

But why would anyone >want< to worship an entity full of hate and violence towards most of humankind? Only an evil mind could conceive the idea that it is just to reward a group of arabs with 72 virgins each, whilst torturing the remainder of humankind with fire.

The other alternative being an entity that is indifferent to human affairs. There would be no point in worshipping it.

I think the last alternative perhaps fits reality, as nature is itself amoral. It is unconcerned with right and wrong. So a creator if one existed would have the same attributes as nature which it is creating. Or of course there could just be nature and no imaginary sky people.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#17686 Jul 16, 2013
And clearly there's no Abrahamic god-allah (or gods).

Even if there were some sort of Creator of the Universe and we chose to refer to it as a god (or gods) the entity clearly has nothing to do with religions. All Abrahamic gods and these...
http://www.godchecker.com/
are fairly obviously man's constuctions based on early superstitions and politics.

There is no sound evidence or reason to think that it intervenes in human or natural events.

Religion = superstition

I think religion and religious faith should be seen in the context of mankind's development. Humanity is only a few million years old and modern society a few hundred years old. I think that superstitions (including religions) may come to be seen as a part of human development.

Since: Mar 12

India

#17687 Jul 16, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
1. If you prophesize about some vent that comes into pass, many centuries afterwards, you will also use the "same language"?
Don't you know that language, phrases and so many things get changed as time passes?
For example if I give you a sample of 2000 years old English language, you will not understand a word of it!!
2. So the ignorance part is on your side and not on the part of either God or the Prophets of God.
3. If they used this words, Electricity, Penicillin, Internet etc… 4000 years back, people would have considered them mad.
For example if someone would have used the word "Internet" 100 years back, how would people have reacted?
3. May be after 200 years, our age would be called "primitive".
4. Your boasts only show your ignorance and nothing more.
Even the scientific verses that you claim to be in Quran was esoteric and beyond comprehension limits of 7th century Arabs.Just saying.
spudgun

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#17688 Jul 16, 2013
EdSed wrote:
And clearly there's no Abrahamic god-allah (or gods).
Even if there were some sort of Creator of the Universe and we chose to refer to it as a god (or gods) the entity clearly has nothing to do with religions. All Abrahamic gods and these...
http://www.godchecker.com/
are fairly obviously man's constuctions based on early superstitions and politics...
Nicely put.

Since: Mar 11

Henderson, KY

#17689 Jul 16, 2013
Because you are just making it up there are not 20 official qualifications for a prophet in Islam and you know it. You are lying and you know it.

It seems, as you have stopped presenting these so called qualifications that you have proven me correct.
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>Why should I spoil all the "fun" of the discussion?

Let me see how logical and patient you people are in these matters.

And that would show how Islam considers prophets of God and to what stringent tests they are subjected.

Since: Mar 11

Henderson, KY

#17690 Jul 16, 2013
1: the English language is not 2000 years old moron. Sheesh and you wonder why people mock you ignorant Muslims. I guess Allah failed you there!
2: No the ignorance is on you who thinks the English language is 2000 years old! Again Allah failed you!
3: In 200 years our society will seem antiquated no doubt. Those people will read in horror at how Muslims killed babies at daycares for their dark god. Allah has failed you.
4: You are speaking of yourself obviously. Your belief in the moon god Allah is your ignorance nothing more.

See? I unlike you can answer questions.
MUQ wrote:
Ans.

1. If you prophesize about some vent that comes into pass, many centuries afterwards, you will also use the "same language"?

Don't you know that language, phrases and so many things get changed as time passes?

For example if I give you a sample of 2000 years old English language, you will not understand a word of it!!

2. So the ignorance part is on your side and not on the part of either God or the Prophets of God.

3. If they used this words, Electricity, Penicillin, Internet etc… 4000 years back, people would have considered them mad.

For example if someone would have used the word "Internet" 100 years back, how would people have reacted?

3. May be after 200 years, our age would be called "primitive".

4. Your boasts only show your ignorance and nothing more.

Since: Mar 11

Henderson, KY

#17691 Jul 16, 2013
What is the most difficult part of being a Muslim?

Suppressing your hard on while killing your daughter.
Thinking wrote:
<quoted text>When will islamic female genital mutilation end?
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#17692 Jul 16, 2013
Re: RC Church. From:
http://rationalist.org.uk/articles/4222/is-th...
Quote
The fact that the reform punishes the leaking of internal documents more harshly than perpetrators of child abuse (leakers face up to eight years in prison if the material concerns the "fundamental interests" of the Holy See or its diplomatic relations) should tell us something about the real priorities of the Catholic authorities.
Unquote

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/11/pope...
Quote
And still others were designed to update the Vatican's legal system with contemporary practice: The new law cancels out lifetime prison sentences, for example, and instead imposes maximum sentences of 30-35 years in prison.
Unquote.
The UK is being criticised by the EU court for not reviewing 'life' sentences after 25 years.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#17693 Jul 16, 2013
EdSed wrote:
Re: RC Church. From:
http://rationalist.org.uk/articles/4222/is-th...
Quote
The fact that the reform punishes the leaking of internal documents more harshly than perpetrators of child abuse (leakers face up to eight years in prison if the material concerns the "fundamental interests" of the Holy See or its diplomatic relations) should tell us something about the real priorities of the Catholic authorities.
Unquote
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/11/pope...
Quote
And still others were designed to update the Vatican's legal system with contemporary practice: The new law cancels out lifetime prison sentences, for example, and instead imposes maximum sentences of 30-35 years in prison.
Unquote.
The UK is being criticised by the EU court for not reviewing 'life' sentences after 25 years.
I do find it ironic that the Vatican can criticize the UK, while at the same time, continue to hide pedophiles and the records of pedophiles within their hierarchy.

They have a log the size of the Aswan Dam blocking their vision, and they are attempting to "help" others who may or may not have an eye-speck...
Wake Up

Louisville, KY

#17694 Jul 16, 2013
spudgun wrote:
<quoted text>
The acts of evil my priests and muslims towards children is proof that there is no God. If there was an all-loving God then it is reasonsable to expect him to stop such abuse from happening. As no intervention is made then no God exists.
That's silly. God did not create programmed robots that follow a set of algorythms. He created humans and gave them a free will to do what they want. The reason people kill and rape is because they are evil and have the devil in their hearts. Don't blame it on God. They kill because of the evil spirit inside them.
Wake Up

Louisville, KY

#17695 Jul 16, 2013
You can not group a whole bunch of people together and be like...see, there is no God because you people of this religion do evil things. Of course religion is corrupt. Because the original nature of man is evil and mankind is responsible for every religion. It is not God's fault that mankind did not choose to follow his commands. If I tell my child not to ever run out in the street, and someone else tells my child it is okay to go in the street that nothing will happen. If my child runs out in the street, she will get hit by a car. I did not will her to get hit by a car just because it happened.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#17696 Jul 16, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
I do find it ironic that the Vatican can criticize the UK, while at the same time, continue to hide pedophiles and the records of pedophiles within their hierarchy.
I find it diabolical that they protect paedophiles,(never mind ironic!:-).By the way, I didn't write that the Vatican criticised the UK. It was the EU court of human rights....
http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2013/jul/09/who...
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
They have a log the size of the Aswan Dam blocking their vision, and they are attempting to "help" others who may or may not have an eye-speck...
Too true. And it isn't just the child abuse, insane advice like don't use condoms...
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2013/06/...
There seems to have been money-laundering and links to organised crime too.

If this were a secular organisation RC's would be horrified and withdraw their support, but call it the Church and it can do no wrong. That's religion for you, or at least religious sectarianism. And I'm still not convinced they've learned that when there's a crime (outside the Vatican 'precincts') you call the police, just like any secular organisation.

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