Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

There are 24178 comments on the Psychology Today story from Apr 25, 2012, titled Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038. In it, Psychology Today reports that:

My blog posts on religion have attracted a lot of controversy. Religious people are annoyed by my claim that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

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MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#17656 Jul 14, 2013
Our friend Spider is not responding to my last post, so I post another quality of True Prophets of God, lest he assumes I stopped this discussion.



Qualities of a True Prophet of God:

C. Third quality: Prophets are Chosen and Handpicked by God:

Prophethood is not a position which a man can attain by his own efforts. It is not a position which a man can obtain by getting higher and higher religious education or by his piety or by doing more righteous deeds etc.

It is God who Picks and Chooses His Prophets and Messengers, and this selection is done right from the time they are born.

A prophet might not even know that he is chosen by God. He knows only when he is given notice of his mission.

But it is always by Selection and never by Election by people or Saints or by his own efforts.

In religious terms prophethood is considered as “WAHBI”(i.e. Conferred by God or Thru God’s Blessings) and not KASBI (something which one can attain or reach by his own effort).

And God Knows who is the Best Suitable Candidate for that coveted post amongst all humans existing at that time.

Persons, who raise objections as to why God chose this person as a prophet and not that person, are in reality claiming that they know more than God!! And that their perceived choice is in fact better than God’s Choice!!

Since: Mar 11

Henderson, KY

#17657 Jul 14, 2013
And how do you prove the prophet was hand picked by God? Did God come down in a flowing chariot and tell you? Couldn't the so called prophet have just made it all up?
MUQ wrote:
Our friend Spider is not responding to my last post
C. Third quality: Prophets are Chosen and Handpicked by God:
It is God who Picks and Chooses His Prophets and Messengers, and this selection is done right from the time they are born!
spudgun

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#17658 Jul 15, 2013
MUQ wrote:
..Prophets are Chosen and Handpicked by God:
Prophethood is not a position which a man can attain by his own efforts. It is not a position which a man can obtain by getting higher and higher religious education or by his piety or by doing more righteous deeds etc.
Muq, can you come up with a single example of a prophecy which is not vague, which gives specific details, names and a precise timeframe? If you cannot, you do not have a prophet, just someone who is a liar or with a mental illness who thinks he can see into the future.
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#17659 Jul 15, 2013
spudgun wrote:
<quoted text>
Muq, can you come up with a single example of a prophecy which is not vague, which gives specific details, names and a precise timeframe? If you cannot, you do not have a prophet, just someone who is a liar or with a mental illness who thinks he can see into the future.
You do not know, how prophesies are made and how they are interpreted.

There are no mentions of names, dates and times......only broad hints are given and some important qualities mentioned.... and based on these the persons are known.

For example if you have to prophesize "Who will be US President in year 2096"? This will not be prophesy, but trickstry.

Scriptural Prophesies are always made in general terms and never specefic.

You have to lean some basic facts.
spudgun

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#17660 Jul 15, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Scriptural Prophesies are always made in general terms and never specefic.
You have to lean some basic facts.
I know full well that prophesies are made in generalised terms and never specific ones.

There is an easy answer to this.

>>It is because no God is involved.<<

These "prophets" have no special powers :) Its blindingly obvious to those of us who have escaped the religious bubble.
spudgun

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#17661 Jul 15, 2013
Precise prophecies are risky. They have a very high probability of being wrong. That is why "prophets" of the Bible and the Quran were unable to prophesy anything of any worth.

If they were really speaking on behalf of an omnipotent being they could instead write about something useful like electricity, penicillin, germ theory, cures for cancer, etc.

Yet suprise, suprise the best these prophets can do is write exactly as you would expect from primtive and uneducated people.

Since: Mar 11

Henderson, KY

#17662 Jul 15, 2013
Well then anyone can be a prophet. Anyone can write some vaguely worded broadly hinted crap that others can project their daily happenings on.

Literally anyone can do that.
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>You do not know, how prophesies are made and how they are interpreted.

There are no mentions of names, dates and times......only broad hints are given and some important qualities mentioned.... and based on these the persons are known.

For example if you have to prophesize "Who will be US President in year 2096"? This will not be prophesy, but trickstry.

Scriptural Prophesies are always made in general terms and never specefic.

You have to lean some basic facts.

Since: Mar 12

Mumbai, India

#17663 Jul 15, 2013
MUQ wrote:
Our friend Spider is not responding to my last post, so I post another quality of True Prophets of God, lest he assumes I stopped this discussion.
Qualities of a True Prophet of God:
C. Third quality: Prophets are Chosen and Handpicked by God:
Prophethood is not a position which a man can attain by his own efforts. It is not a position which a man can obtain by getting higher and higher religious education or by his piety or by doing more righteous deeds etc.
It is God who Picks and Chooses His Prophets and Messengers, and this selection is done right from the time they are born.
A prophet might not even know that he is chosen by God. He knows only when he is given notice of his mission.
But it is always by Selection and never by Election by people or Saints or by his own efforts.
In religious terms prophethood is considered as “WAHBI”(i.e. Conferred by God or Thru God’s Blessings) and not KASBI (something which one can attain or reach by his own effort).
And God Knows who is the Best Suitable Candidate for that coveted post amongst all humans existing at that time.
Persons, who raise objections as to why God chose this person as a prophet and not that person, are in reality claiming that they know more than God!! And that their perceived choice is in fact better than God’s Choice!!
Ok, but was Muhammad actually picked by the God?Or he was just a self-proclaimed prophet?
How to know if he was really a prophet of God?
spudgun

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#17664 Jul 15, 2013
fadu singh wrote:
<quoted text>How to know if he was really a prophet of God?
He doesnt know if he was a real prophet or a fraud! As he says in the above posts, the only prophecies are generalisations. He can only write in broad general terms.

There are people today who claim that God speaks through them. Today such people are considered crazy or fraudulent liars.

Since: Mar 12

Mumbai, India

#17666 Jul 15, 2013
spudgun wrote:
<quoted text>
He doesnt know if he was a real prophet or a fraud! As he says in the above posts, the only prophecies are generalisations. He can only write in broad general terms.
There are people today who claim that God speaks through them. Today such people are considered crazy or fraudulent liars.
We all know this fact.I just want to see how MUQ handles this..:)
spudgun

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#17667 Jul 15, 2013
fadu singh wrote:
<quoted text>
We all know this fact.I just want to see how MUQ handles this..:)
In the same way he handles it when he gets sight of a western woman's ankle. He takes out his "holy book", gets his lad out and pleasures himself at the thought of the 72 virgins waiting for him in the sky.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#17668 Jul 15, 2013
spudgun wrote:
<quoted text>
In the same way he handles it when he gets sight of a western woman's ankle. He takes out his "holy book", gets his lad out and pleasures himself at the thought of the 72 virgins waiting for him in the sky.
Well... that explains the crusty nature of the cover of his "holy" book, I suppose...

... eeewww...
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#17669 Jul 15, 2013
fadu singh wrote:
<quoted text>Ok, but was Muhammad actually picked by the God?Or he was just a self-proclaimed prophet?
How to know if he was really a prophet of God?
You had your chance, but you did not use it and handed over the baton to someone else.

Now wait and watch, how proper discussions are held on serious subjects.
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#17670 Jul 15, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Well then anyone can be a prophet. Anyone can write some vaguely worded broadly hinted crap that others can project their daily happenings on.
Literally anyone can do that.
<quoted text>
Watch my boy, watch, we have only covered 3 out of 20 Qualities of a True Prophet of God.

Do not jump the line and do not ask pre-mature questions. I did not mention any names.

Since: Mar 11

Henderson, KY

#17671 Jul 15, 2013
I notice you cowered away from my question. How about you just briefly mention all 20 and stop wasting time avoiding questions?
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>Watch my boy, watch, we have only covered 3 out of 20 Qualities of a True Prophet of God.

Do not jump the line and do not ask pre-mature questions. I did not mention any names.

Since: Mar 11

Henderson, KY

#17672 Jul 15, 2013
By the way gang I have already googled up the Islamic qualities of a prophet and guess what? There are not 20! There are like 8. Meaning Muq has just been busted lying again.

This was his ploy to try to drag the conversation for as long as possible without having to actually answer questions.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#17673 Jul 16, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
I notice you cowered away from my question. How about you just briefly mention all 20 and stop wasting time avoiding questions?
<quoted text>
Why should I spoil all the "fun" of the discussion?

Let me see how logical and patient you people are in these matters.

And that would show how Islam considers prophets of God and to what stringent tests they are subjected.

Richardfs

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#17674 Jul 16, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
You had your chance, but you did not use it and handed over the baton to someone else.
Now wait and watch, how proper discussions are held on serious subjects.
Why does your religion abuse, rape and murder little girls?

Richardfs

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#17675 Jul 16, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Watch my boy, watch, we have only covered 3 out of 20 Qualities of a True Prophet of God.
Do not jump the line and do not ask pre-mature questions. I did not mention any names.
Why does your religion abuse, rape and murder little girls?

Richardfs

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#17676 Jul 16, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Why should I spoil all the "fun" of the discussion?
Let me see how logical and patient you people are in these matters.
And that would show how Islam considers prophets of God and to what stringent tests they are subjected.
Why does your religion abuse, rape and murder little girls?

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