Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

There are 24182 comments on the Psychology Today story from Apr 25, 2012, titled Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038. In it, Psychology Today reports that:

My blog posts on religion have attracted a lot of controversy. Religious people are annoyed by my claim that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

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“Universal Conscious Conscience”

Since: Feb 08

Planet Earth

#16471 Jun 10, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
You are correct, so we found evidence like soil, rocks, trees, ice core samples, and telescope images. We know it exists because it produces gravity. Still not "self evident."
Yeap! Now go chop off your head and come back and tell me it's not self evident that you died you brainless savage!

“Universal Conscious Conscience”

Since: Feb 08

Planet Earth

#16472 Jun 10, 2013
The distance you savages will go to try and disprove a self-evident absolute (universal) truths is beyond stupid!

All you fools in this forum that disagree with a self-evident absolute (universal) truths are nothing but savages and trolls!

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#16473 Jun 10, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Still waiting for anything that is "self evident?"
His stupidity and ignorance?

;)
Lincoln

United States

#16474 Jun 10, 2013
Dallas, Texas, Jun 8, 2013 / 06:03 am .- When her twin girls were born suddenly at only 26 weeks, Anne Ponton said doctors and nurses in her home town of Irving, Texas fought diligently for her babies' survival.

But the twins, born to Anne and her husband Jason in December 2001,“were the same size” as the babies murdered by late-term abortionist Kermit Gosnell.

Gosnell, who ran the Philadelphia-based Women's Medical Society clinic, was convicted on three first degree murder charges in May 2013 for killing babies born alive after botched abortions. During the trial, gruesome testimonies from facility workers – who described the procedures as akin to a “beheading”– garnered international media attention.

“They were doing everything in that clinic to kill the exact same size and viability” of babies such as “our girls,” Ponton told CNA in a June 5 interview.

However,“where we were going...they were doing everything in their power to save their lives.”

Ponton recalled how nearly twelve years ago, the first six months of her pregnancy with the twins went smoothly. Yet at 26 weeks, she remembers calling her doctor the next morning after a routine appointment about a slight concern she had noticed.

To her surprise, the doctor told her to get to the hospital right away.

By the time Ponton and her husband Jason arrived, nurses found that she was already in labor and that she was dilated seven centimeters. Medical staff on hand tried to stop labor, but were unable to.

It was at that moment that the doctor “just leaned over and whispered,'Anne, if you are a woman of faith, pray. You're going to have these babies right now,'” Ponton said.

The girls were delivered via emergency Caesarean section, and immediately both were put on full life support, baptized and taken to a Neonatal Intensive Care Unit in Dallas.

“Each child had their own team of nurses and one doctor ready for them,” she said.

One of the baby girls weighed only one pound, nine ounces and the other weighed one pound, thirteen ounces. Within a few days both babies were operated upon – one twin having heart surgery, the other hernia surgery.

At the intensive care unit, the twins were put into beds covered by “a plastic, transparent...bubble,” meant to closely simulate the conditions of a mother's womb.

While her daughters were at the unit, Ponton would drive back and forth every day with her husband to see them. On the route, the two had to pass a late-term abortion clinic less than a mile from the hospital.

“What we're hoping is that people who are so quick to say yes, Gosnell is a monster, that they see that this act in and of itself, period – whether it’s done in a clean clinic or a disgusting clinic – at 24 weeks or 12 weeks, it’s still killing,” Ponton said.

“I have never met or talked to a NICU doctor who would not argue that the babies that Gosnell was convicted of (killing) are of viability outside the womb and that they’re human beings.”

Ponton recalled that during their time at the hospital, as soon as the twins were healthy enough, doctors put the girls together in the same bed.

“It was amazing, because when one of the girls was having a really hard day, breathing, or not tolerating the feeding well because it was all through feeding tubes…(the nurses) would swaddle them very tightly together and whoever was having a hard day, after being swaddled with her sister, would thrive.”

By the end of the first two weeks, while their eyes were still sealed shut, Ponton said the babies “could even recognize the voice of the doctor or the nurse coming who typically did the blood test every single day.”

The babies began to equate the voice of the nurse who took their blood with pain and when they heard his voice coming down the hall,“their heart rate would immediately shoot up.”

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#16475 Jun 10, 2013
Dak-Original wrote:
<quoted text>
If something is on Wiki does not mean it is true. Wiki will post existing culture specific myths and this is the case here.
It doesn't mean that it isn't true either. Eons before wiki even existed, Luna was the moon's goddess's name, and she only reflects the light of Rah. She has no light, and she is earth's only natural satellite. Flat out truth.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#16476 Jun 10, 2013
Infinite Force wrote:
The distance you savages will go to try and disprove a self-evident absolute (universal) truths is beyond stupid!
All you fools in this forum that disagree with a self-evident absolute (universal) truths are nothing but savages and trolls!
No such thing.

To be universal? All sentient and near-sentients would have to agree with it.

Is that the case with anything? No.

As such, you are literally an idiot.
Dak-Original

Saint Andrews, UK

#16477 Jun 11, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Oh so he is one of those non believers who happen to believe in God?
Lmfao!
<quoted text>
Not so funny if you do not allot qualities of GOD as has been done by human cultures and their invented religions. GOD can be a concept of the ultimate mystery behind it all and can represent a concept instead of human like being. However, there is no harm if someone believes in GOD and does not proceed to call GOD a fact or truth.
All claims of religions about GOD are unprovable and unproven and these are clearly not the truth as they make it out.
Human psyche needs belief since that is how humans have evolved in the last thousands of years.But then belief is not a fact.
A it a call it a fact

Since: Mar 11

United States

#16478 Jun 11, 2013
Had to create a whole new screen name eh?

Epic fail
Ease Verum wrote:
<quoted text>If you asked a question properly and respectfully instead of calling him “schizo”, then perhaps you would get a proper answer. Trolls who call other commenters by insults and dismiss them as having “voices” in their heads deserve no answer.

Since: Mar 11

United States

#16479 Jun 11, 2013
What are these self evident universal truths you keep sobbing about?
Infinite Force wrote:
The distance you savages will go to try and disprove a self-evident absolute (universal) truths is beyond stupid!

All you fools in this forum that disagree with a self-evident absolute (universal) truths are nothing but savages and trolls!
Dak-Original

Saint Andrews, UK

#16480 Jun 11, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
The question is very simple, but answer requires books upon books, in Quran Allah says "If you (try to) count Allah's bounties, you will not be able do so".
So I will just give you one more example:
17.: Plants and Trees and vegetables,( count one number for each)
Have we ever reflected on the plants and trees and vegetables that grow around us.
What role tree plays in absorbing Carbon dioxide and Oxygen cycle is now known to our scientists.
Without plant life, our own survival would be difficult.
We have already mentioned about the gift of fruit bearing and flower bearing plants earlier.
Now let us consider plants which provide us with our basic food, wheat , rice, barley, gram etc and different types of vegetables that grow in the world.
As was the case with fruits, almost every type of corn and vegetables come in their own shape and individual packing.
The taste and color and shape of every product is different from each other.
And if we add plants that produce spices and herbs that are used in medicine, we would be unable to count the mercy which our God has provided for us.
And what is our contribution in all this? Doing some "tweaking" and finding which fertilizers to be used to increase the yield and use of proper pesticides etc. But they have not anything to do with the "major product".
But still we thank those scientists and agriculture specialists for their "Minor contribution" and forget the "Main force behind the whole scheme" i.e. our Merciful God.
If it was not His will, no force on earth can "order" a seed to split and get its shoot out of earth!!
Please reflect on it.
Still at it, MUQ!? Again all good attributes of nature are attributed to a "HE" God! MUQ, until recent hundred of years most humans born were regularly poisoned by mushrooms, killed by infectious diseases, killed by wild animals, poisonous snakes, etc. Not to leave out natural calamities which can affect any unlucky lot even today. There is a better chance of reduction of calamities due to the advance of technology and human organisations. Now, who is then responsible for bad attributes of the nature? Whom are you fooling when you, now, know that GOD planned all, including the now proven fact of the Evolution of Specis? Homo Sapiens on earth: max: 200,000 years. Life on earth: 900 million years plus.
OH! MUQ!
Dak-Original

Saint Andrews, UK

#16481 Jun 11, 2013
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>It doesn't mean that it isn't true either. Eons before wiki even existed, Luna was the moon's goddess's name, and she only reflects the light of Rah. She has no light, and she is earth's only natural satellite. Flat out truth.
It is your belief based on Roman belief system. Not truth! you can believe what you like and it may be good for your mind but do not come here to tell us it is "flat out truth". You sound like MUQ in asserting your belief claims as facts here.
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#16482 Jun 11, 2013
SG wrote:
Questions for Muq.

01. Was watching one of the Islam channels, and this imam was saying very seriously that if water not around you should wash yourself with soil or sand. I guess in the desert, water is in short supply and sand is everywhere, so ppl would wash with sand in the past. Is this still a practice now, and without going into specifics, does this include other parts of the body as well as the hands?

02. Second Q. A number of Christians here think the end of the world is very soon. Do you share that view, and who are you waiting for? Jesus, Madhi or some other messiah figure to show up?
Ans.

Here are short answers for your questions

01. Use of Stone / Dirt for Purification:

I am not expert on Islamic Jurisprudence to give any official opinion on such questions.

However as per my knowledge, water is the best purifier in all cases. If you have plenty of water available to clean your body parts and wash off your hands, there is no need for stone or dirt etc.

The directions mentioned in book of Hadith were applicable (and even now also, if some one goes to jungle / desert and does not find running water) for the conditions of that time.

Water should be used to clean the body parts and then your hands should be washed using soap.

What I find strange that Most western people do not use water to clean their body parts, they think "toilet paper" would serve that purpose.

Is it not strange that they use 12-15 Liter of water to clean toilet bowl, but not a single drop to clean the source from where every thing originated!!

A Muslim therefore has much cleaner body than all those using toilet papers.

02. End of the world:

Time is a very relative term and its interpretation is also same.

From Creator's point of view, the end of world is always near, because a thing which is approaching is always "near" to the thing which is going away.

No one exactly knows when the end of world would actually come, Jesus denied it expressively and our prophet in Quran is asked to repeat the same thing a number of times. "Only Allah knows the Hour".

But our prophet has given us many signs to know the signs of approaching hour, some of these are minor and some of these are major. There are total 10 Major Signs given for end of world.

Of the "minor signs" most of them are fulfilled, we are only waiting for Major signs to come.

And starting point of Major Sign is rise of Anti Christ and descent of Jesus Christ from heavens to earth to kill him.

I know it is "fashionable in Western world" to predict and pinpoint date of Jesus' return!!

Many hoax have been created the latest was about May 21, 2012.

But in Islam there is no fixed or sure shot date for Jesus' return to earth.

We have to wait and see when these Signs take place.

Allah Knows best

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#16483 Jun 11, 2013
Infinite Force wrote:
The distance you savages will go to try and disprove a self-evident absolute (universal) truths is beyond stupid!
All you fools in this forum that disagree with a self-evident absolute (universal) truths are nothing but savages and trolls!
Tell us when you get tired of having no proof of god...

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#16484 Jun 11, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
Dallas, Texas, Jun 8, 2013 / 06:03 am .- When her twin girls were born suddenly at only 26 weeks, Anne Ponton said doctors and nurses in her home town of Irving, Texas fought diligently for her babies' survival.
But the twins, born to Anne and her husband Jason in December 2001,“were the same size” as the babies murdered by late-term abortionist Kermit Gosnell.
Gosnell, who ran the Philadelphia-based Women's Medical Society clinic, was convicted on three first degree murder charges in May 2013 for killing babies born alive after botched abortions. During the trial, gruesome testimonies from facility workers – who described the procedures as akin to a “beheading”– garnered international media attention.
“They were doing everything in that clinic to kill the exact same size and viability” of babies such as “our girls,” Ponton told CNA in a June 5 interview.
However,“where we were going...they were doing everything in their power to save their lives.”
Ponton recalled how nearly twelve years ago, the first six months of her pregnancy with the twins went smoothly. Yet at 26 weeks, she remembers calling her doctor the next morning after a routine appointment about a slight concern she had noticed.
To her surprise, the doctor told her to get to the hospital right away.
By the time Ponton and her husband Jason arrived, nurses found that she was already in labor and that she was dilated seven centimeters. Medical staff on hand tried to stop labor, but were unable to.
It was at that moment that the doctor “just leaned over and whispered,'Anne, if you are a woman of faith, pray. You're going to have these babies right now,'” Ponton said.
The girls were delivered via emergency Caesarean section, and immediately both were put on full life support, baptized and taken to a Neonatal Intensive Care Unit in Dallas.
“Each child had their own team of nurses and one doctor ready for them,” she said.
One of the baby girls weighed only one pound, nine ounces and the other weighed one pound, thirteen ounces. Within a few days both babies were operated upon – one twin having heart surgery, the other hernia surgery.
At the intensive care unit, the twins were put into beds covered by “a plastic, transparent...bubble,” meant to closely simulate the conditions of a mother's womb.
While her daughters were at the unit, Ponton would drive back and forth every day with her husband to see them. On the route, the two had to pass a late-term abortion clinic less than a mile from the hospital.
“What we're hoping is that people who are so quick to say yes, Gosnell is a monster, that they see that this act in and of itself, period – whether it’s done in a clean clinic or a disgusting clinic – at 24 weeks or 12 weeks, it’s still killing,” Ponton said.
“I have never met or talked to a NICU doctor who would not argue that the babies that Gosnell was convicted of (killing) are of viability outside the womb and that they’re human beings.”
Ponton recalled that during their time at the hospital, as soon as the twins were healthy enough, doctors put the girls together in the same bed.
“It was amazing, because when one of the girls was having a really hard day, breathing, or not tolerating the feeding well because it was all through feeding tubes…(the nurses) would swaddle them very tightly together and whoever was having a hard day, after being swaddled with her sister, would thrive.”
By the end of the first two weeks, while their eyes were still sealed shut, Ponton said the babies “could even recognize the voice of the doctor or the nurse coming who typically did the blood test every single day.”
The babies began to equate the voice of the nurse who took their blood with pain and when they heard his voice coming down the hall,“their heart rate would immediately shoot up.”
You little creationist stories are amusing

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#16485 Jun 11, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
Here are short answers for your questions
01. Use of Stone / Dirt for Purification:
I am not expert on Islamic Jurisprudence to give any official opinion on such questions.
However as per my knowledge, water is the best purifier in all cases. If you have plenty of water available to clean your body parts and wash off your hands, there is no need for stone or dirt etc.
The directions mentioned in book of Hadith were applicable (and even now also, if some one goes to jungle / desert and does not find running water) for the conditions of that time.
Water should be used to clean the body parts and then your hands should be washed using soap.
What I find strange that Most western people do not use water to clean their body parts, they think "toilet paper" would serve that purpose.
Is it not strange that they use 12-15 Liter of water to clean toilet bowl, but not a single drop to clean the source from where every thing originated!!
A Muslim therefore has much cleaner body than all those using toilet papers.
02. End of the world:
Time is a very relative term and its interpretation is also same.
From Creator's point of view, the end of world is always near, because a thing which is approaching is always "near" to the thing which is going away.
No one exactly knows when the end of world would actually come, Jesus denied it expressively and our prophet in Quran is asked to repeat the same thing a number of times. "Only Allah knows the Hour".
But our prophet has given us many signs to know the signs of approaching hour, some of these are minor and some of these are major. There are total 10 Major Signs given for end of world.
Of the "minor signs" most of them are fulfilled, we are only waiting for Major signs to come.
And starting point of Major Sign is rise of Anti Christ and descent of Jesus Christ from heavens to earth to kill him.
I know it is "fashionable in Western world" to predict and pinpoint date of Jesus' return!!
Many hoax have been created the latest was about May 21, 2012.
But in Islam there is no fixed or sure shot date for Jesus' return to earth.
We have to wait and see when these Signs take place.
Allah Knows best
Your god cannot convert atheists himself, so he needs theists to lie about it for him it seems

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#16486 Jun 11, 2013
Infinite Force wrote:
<quoted text>
Stop the intake of fluids (no fluid intake in any fashion) and let's see what self evident absolute (universal) truth will happen to you.
After one year of (no fluid intake in any fashion) come back and tell me it's not self-evident you will die dumb savage.
I know one thing for sure! It would be self-evident after one year of no fluid intake in any fashion for your body it would be one less savage on this planet.
How stupid can you be to claim a self-evident don't exist.
__________
Run in front of a train and let it hit you head on and tumble over your body and when the train is done ripping you to pieces come back and tell me it's not self evident that you did not die!
YOU WANT SOME MORE SELF EVIDENT ABSOLUTE (UNIVERSAL) TRUTHS?!
Why are desperate Whiney theists, so obsessed with threatening people, your imagination is not scary or true.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#16487 Jun 11, 2013
Infinite Force wrote:
<quoted text>
Stop the intake of fluids (no fluid intake in any fashion) and let's see what self evident absolute (universal) truth will happen to you.
After one year of (no fluid intake in any fashion) come back and tell me it's not self-evident you will die dumb savage.
I know one thing for sure! It would be self-evident after one year of no fluid intake in any fashion for your body it would be one less savage on this planet.
How stupid can you be to claim a self-evident don't exist.
__________
Run in front of a train and let it hit you head on and tumble over your body and when the train is done ripping you to pieces come back and tell me it's not self evident that you did not die!
YOU WANT SOME MORE SELF EVIDENT ABSOLUTE (UNIVERSAL) TRUTHS?!
Still waiting for anything that is "self evident."

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#16488 Jun 11, 2013
Jewish Vagabonds wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, but even compare the birth rates & growth rates of Saudi Arabia vs Australia.
You will see how you are losing it out to more fundamentalists in the end.
Challenge accepted:
population SA in 1950 = 3 million
population Aust in 1950= 8 million

Here's your problem, a smaller population relatively increases easily, to demonstrate:
I have one egg for breakfast, I eat another - I just increased my consumption rate by 100%
you have two eggs for breakfast, you eat another, you only increased yours by 50%.

Let's continue:
Crude birth rate SA in 1950= about 50
Crude birth rate SA in 2000 = about 30
Crude birth rate SA in 2011= about 22
extrapolate to 2052 = 0

Crude birth rate Aust in 1950= no data
Crude birth rate Aust in 2000 = about 12.7
Crude birth rate Aust in 2011= about 13.3
extrapolate to 2052 = about 15

okay, so the extrapolation is rough, agreed.

sorry, can you tell me your point again? All the numbers I found shredded to fragments your lame argument about SA and Australia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_...
http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs @.nsf/mf/3301.0
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_...

dollarsbill

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#16489 Jun 11, 2013
bnzo wrote:
<quoted text>
As a gay atheist, well, antitheist, we're not being confronted at all. what on earth are you talking about?
talk sense!
John 12:39-40 (NKJV)
39 Therefore they could not believe, because Isaiah said again: 40 "He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts, Lest they should see with their eyes, Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, So that I should heal them."

dollarsbill

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#16490 Jun 11, 2013
Just Think wrote:
<quoted text>
You whack it when you type stuff like this, don't you?
Can't communicate?

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