Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

There are 24182 comments on the Psychology Today story from Apr 25, 2012, titled Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038. In it, Psychology Today reports that:

My blog posts on religion have attracted a lot of controversy. Religious people are annoyed by my claim that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

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havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#16025 May 25, 2013
has, not is, in last sentence - has a very sensible and modest viewpoint.
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#16026 May 25, 2013
NT wrote:
MUQ, how do you know god is merciful ?
Ans.

The question is very simple, but answer requires books upon books, in Quran Allah says "If you (try to) count Allah's bounties, you will not be able do so".

So I will just give you one more example:

11: Cattle (Goat, Sheep, Cows and Camels) and Horse, Mule and Donkey

These are great gifts from God to us. It was He who has made them domesticated and how many benefits we drive from these cattles we do not fully realize.

They provide us with milk, and wool and carry heavy loads for us.

We use their meat, if it was not for Gift of God, we would be unable to digest their meat.

And if we include Horse also in that list, then that wonderful animal has done much for the warfare of humans in the past generations.

Donkeys and mules and other animals serve humans in different roles.

If it was not the mercy of God, we would be unable to use these animals in the way we do it.

But very few of us ever realize, what a great gift and mercy of our Creator are these cattles and animals, that we become Lord over them and treat them in not so good manner.

Please reflect on this great gift of God to us and try to thank Him, if you could.

How much money we spend and We thank Doctors and all others who helped us, but do we ever thank God for His Free Gift to us?

Richardfs

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#16027 May 25, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
The question is very simple, but answer requires books upon books, in Quran Allah says "If you (try to) count Allah's bounties, you will not be able do so".
So I will just give you one more example:
11: Cattle (Goat, Sheep, Cows and Camels) and Horse, Mule and Donkey
These are great gifts from God to us. It was He who has made them domesticated and how many benefits we drive from these cattles we do not fully realize.
They provide us with milk, and wool and carry heavy loads for us.
We use their meat, if it was not for Gift of God, we would be unable to digest their meat.
And if we include Horse also in that list, then that wonderful animal has done much for the warfare of humans in the past generations.
Donkeys and mules and other animals serve humans in different roles.
If it was not the mercy of God, we would be unable to use these animals in the way we do it.
But very few of us ever realize, what a great gift and mercy of our Creator are these cattles and animals, that we become Lord over them and treat them in not so good manner.
Please reflect on this great gift of God to us and try to thank Him, if you could.
How much money we spend and We thank Doctors and all others who helped us, but do we ever thank God for His Free Gift to us?
I will thank a god the day we are free of mentally sick people like you and your barbaric treatment of little girls.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#16028 May 25, 2013
So now you are back to mindlessly spamming from your scribd page? You have been warned about this several times. If you continue we will have no option but to report you for mass deletion.

As you have been told before you cannot assign deeds to this so called god of yours until you prove there is even a god in the first place. Perhaps you should start having an honest conversation instead of spamming the boards so you don't have you posts removed for violating the terms of service.
MUQ wrote:
The question is very simple, but answer requires books upon books, in Quran Allah says "If you (try to) count Allah's bounties, you will not be able do so".
Maggie May

Manchester, UK

#16029 May 25, 2013
Believe me, relgion will beat us all by 2030. And we all know which reigion don't we.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#16030 May 25, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
Theists who believe in a divinely created Earth, and in the literal truth of the alleged 'holy book' aka the Bible containing 'hearsay' stories, written by primitive men, must reinterpret all new things discovered in light of the same source material.
The atheist will read this and then make a judgment if it warrants merit or outright rejection. They will not seek an apologist - they will use their own mind to determine the validity of the content. In short they will question anything and everything.
The literal theist, on the other hand, is forced to say ...
"Either that's a lie, it's wrong, or God is testing my faith by giving Me yet more contradictory evidence that on the surface seems telling but really doesn't mean anything."
“Reason and faith are opposites, two mutually exclusive terms: there is no reconciliation or common ground. Faith is belief without, or in spite of, reason.”~George H. Smith
I agree: anyone who substitutes faith for reason?

Is literally insane, to a degree.

For most, the substitution is confined to a very limited sub-set of life: death.

And since death is the stopping of any and all brain activity, this substitution is mostly harmless.

Unfortunately, for some, the substitution encroaches on areas that really ought to be reason-based.

For example, there was a recent case, where parents substituted faith for modern medical science, and no-surprise? Two of their kids are now dead-- the state has finally declared them unfit parents, and removed the rest of their brood. Too late for two of them, though.

Then, there are folk like Lincoln: who not only substitute faith for reason? They substitute faith for *education* too!

They really ought to be confined to an insane asylum along with the Napoleon-pretenders and Elvis-wannabes. Before they hurt someone with their insanity....

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#16031 May 25, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
What is the topic of this Thread?
"Atheism to replace religion by 2038"!!
Who is talking about replacement?
Atheists?
Blowing their own trumpet!!
PS:
And most countries where the "virus" of Atheism is growing faster are the earlier Christian countries.
I do not know if there is any connection between the two.
This post makes no sense as a reply to my question in response to your question.
Imhotep

Charlotte, NC

#16032 May 25, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree: anyone who substitutes faith for reason?
Is literally insane, to a degree.
For most, the substitution is confined to a very limited sub-set of life: death.
And since death is the stopping of any and all brain activity, this substitution is mostly harmless.
Unfortunately, for some, the substitution encroaches on areas that really ought to be reason-based.
For example, there was a recent case, where parents substituted faith for modern medical science, and no-surprise? Two of their kids are now dead-- the state has finally declared them unfit parents, and removed the rest of their brood. Too late for two of them, though.
Then, there are folk like Lincoln: who not only substitute faith for reason? They substitute faith for *education* too!
They really ought to be confined to an insane asylum along with the Napoleon-pretenders and Elvis-wannabes. Before they hurt someone with their insanity....
I wholeheartedly agree with you Bob.

One thing is certain - most our hairbrained jesus roaches 'know not' of what they speak.

One would imagine if you're investing your life in something you would at least research it for authenticity.

Not a chance with these people.

But we need some form of humor And something to make fun of , With a huge dose of sarcasm for the never ending parade of straightmen - and they provide this in spades!
Imhotep

Charlotte, NC

#16033 May 25, 2013
I've just ordered my wizard to put a curse upon topics for creating double posts!

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#16034 May 25, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
I wholeheartedly agree with you Bob.
One thing is certain - most our hairbrained jesus roaches 'know not' of what they speak.
One would imagine if you're investing your life in something you would at least research it for authenticity.
Not a chance with these people.
But we need some form of humor And something to make fun of , With a huge dose of sarcasm for the never ending parade of straightmen - and they provide this in spades!
I agree: the Ultimate Purpose of being alive?

Is to laugh and spread laughter.

So I suppose, unwittingly, they are fulfilling a need...

;)
Imhotep

Charlotte, NC

#16035 May 25, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree: the Ultimate Purpose of being alive?
Is to laugh and spread laughter.
So I suppose, unwittingly, they are fulfilling a need...
;)
I've said this before but I'll say it again they are poster children for non-belief, No matter how you define it.. agnostic, skeptic, etc
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#16036 May 25, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
So now you are back to mindlessly spamming from your scribd page? You have been warned about this several times. If you continue we will have no option but to report you for mass deletion.
As you have been told before you cannot assign deeds to this so called god of yours until you prove there is even a god in the first place. Perhaps you should start having an honest conversation instead of spamming the boards so you don't have you posts removed for violating the terms of service.
<quoted text>
Please go ahead with your threat!!

PS:

And if you can prove that any of these pages are copies of Scribd postings, I will pay you 1000 $!!

But instead of answering my observation in a logical way, you are threatening mass deletion!!

Let people take note of this Bully!!

PS-2

Please ask them to delete this post also in your "request"!!

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#16037 May 25, 2013
Muq this is what you so often do, instead of having an actual conversation or answering questions you just mindlessly waste bandwidth with your spam.

You have been repeatedly warned about this and you know it.

If our questions are too difficult for you and Islam to answer just admit your and Islam's shortcomings that would be worthy of respect. Instead of posting your usual mindless spam that has nothing to do with the subject at hand or questions asked of you.

Seriously Muq you make Islam look like the religion of ignorance.
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>Please go ahead with your threat!!

PS:

And if you can prove that any of these pages are copies of Scribd postings, I will pay you 1000 $!!

But instead of answering my observation in a logical way, you are threatening mass deletion!!

Let people take note of this Bully!!

PS-2

Please ask them to delete this post also in your "request"!!
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#16038 May 26, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Muq this is what you so often do, instead of having an actual conversation or answering questions you just mindlessly waste bandwidth with your spam.
You have been repeatedly warned about this and you know it.
If our questions are too difficult for you and Islam to answer just admit your and Islam's shortcomings that would be worthy of respect. Instead of posting your usual mindless spam that has nothing to do with the subject at hand or questions asked of you.
Seriously Muq you make Islam look like the religion of ignorance.
<quoted text>
If you want to ask any question with me, ask it in civil language and post one question a day.

It should be a pertinent question and not based on hate, hatred and mere assumptions.

I am sure you are unable to do such type of mature discussions, but why should I pre-judge you.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#16039 May 26, 2013
It seems frank, honest questions bother you and you call them hateful.

But let's see, answer this for us.

The practice of honor killing is still done to this day in Islam. Killing one for leaving a religion is shocking for most people. Shouldn't this practice of islamic honor killing end? Shouldn't Islam move towards a mindset of, if one leaves Islam simply treat them with kindness and understanding instead?
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>If you want to ask any question with me, ask it in civil language and post one question a day.

It should be a pertinent question and not based on hate, hatred and mere assumptions.

I am sure you are unable to do such type of mature discussions, but why should I pre-judge you.

Richardfs

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#16040 May 26, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
If you want to ask any question with me, ask it in civil language and post one question a day.
It should be a pertinent question and not based on hate, hatred and mere assumptions.
I am sure you are unable to do such type of mature discussions, but why should I pre-judge you.
You do not make the rules here.

All you have done is spam this forum with your BS and yet you refuse to respond to questions about your religion's and your abuse, rape and murder of little girls.

You have lost any chance of respect here as any normal person can only have contempt for you and religion.

But you are so brainwashed that you can not see that your treatment of little girls is criminal.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#16042 May 26, 2013
havent forgotten wrote:
<quoted text> That was to MUQ. How can you possibly write: "That is called Zionism or Islamism," and not also condemn many versions of Christianity? and how can you condemn all versions of Zionism(if there are any who are willing to share land with Palestinians in peace and friendship and a multi-cultural state), or all versions of Islam?
And democracy is not the way to decide what is right and what is wrong. A majority of people can be very bloodthirsty and cry out for killings that are not justified. Just look at all the blood lust watchers of the Arias trial who were crying because she did not get a death sentence! A majority is not fit to decide what is right or wrong, especially an emotional majority, or one swayed by manipulative demagogues or elites. It takes wise and mature persons, not mobs, to discuss right and wrong, over time and with much consideration and openness to varying views.
Thanks for this reply HF.

Sorry, I can only answer hurriedly right now. We obviously see things quite differently. I see Zionism as rather similar to Islamism, driven as they are by religion and dogma. Naturally, their means of persuing their religious ends differ as Zionism is backed so firmly by the USA. Christianity may have its evangelists but it isn't currently using violence or oppression to further occupation of a "Holy Land", nor to further a religious ideology that supports a theocracy over democracy.

And if I remember accurately, my point was that it is for a democratic majority to decide on the best actions to take. I think most people accept democracy doesn't get every answer to every question exactly right. It does provide more responsive government than theocracies.

And our best chance of working out what to do would be some form of global democracy. ALL democracy is contingent on having a well-educated and well-informed electorate with workable institutions and a culture where freedom of speech and expresion are highly valued and protected. This is only approcimately achieved in some 'Western' and African nations. Maybe in parts of S America too? India & Pakistan too perhaps but there's a lot of corruption in India and Pakistan is afflicted by many people like Muq (or as bad). Democracy is an ideal rather than a full and current achievement.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#16043 May 26, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
Known by many as the world's most famous atheist, Richard Dawkins - author of The God Delusion - explained during a public discussion at Oxford University, that he does not think of himself as an atheist, but rather an agnostic.
The Telegraph reported on Monday that Richard Dawkins - although regularly labeled as one - does not consider himself an atheist.
In the open dialogue with Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr. Rowan Williams, Dawkins also noted that in his book, The God Delusion, he never made the claim that he is certain that God does not exist.
When moderator, Sir Anthony Kennedy, made a remark insinuating that Dawkins had made such an argument, Dawkins quickly jumped in and corrected him.
"No, I don't. I don't. You were wrong when you said that. I constructed in the God Delusion a 7-point scale, of which 1 is 'I know God exists' and 7 is 'I know God doesn't exist' and I called myself a 6."
Kennedy then asked, "Why don't you call yourself an agnostic then?"
Dawkins replied, "I do."
Dawkins then explained that he believes there are gradations of agnosticism. He is of the opinion that there are agnostics who feel that although they cannot know, for sure, whether or not a God exists, they conclude -to their satisfaction - that there is a 50-50 chance there is, or isn't a God. Dawkins emphasized that he is no such agnostic.
Quite certain - although he set forth absolutely no research or statistical evidence to support his claim - Dawkins insists that it is highly improbable that God exists.
"I think the probability of any supernatural creator existing is very, very low, which is why I say I'm a 6.9"
More fool Dawkins for discussing if he's an atheist or agnostic. My response would be 'you decide'. He should stop caring. It is highly improbably pixies exist too. Why get dragged into such nonsense? The more rational people try to explain our position viz-a-viz religion the less religionists say they understand it.
Lincoln wrote:
One has to wonder, where does Dawkins derive such a "probability"? If he is so certain, why doesn't he just say he is a 7? What holds him back?
These questions are still unanswered? Regardless of how many times and ways it is expressed?

Here we go again: the definition of 'god', for a start. Some descibe it as a 'higher power' which could be a mathematical equation or quantum theory for all anyone knows or cares. Some insist absurdly that man is made in 'His image'. And there are all these to choose from too...
http://www.godchecker.com/

Atheists and agnostics should probably stop concerning ourselves with what religionists call us.
JMHO
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#16044 May 26, 2013
havent forgotten wrote:
<quoted text>..And democracy is not the way to decide what is right and what is wrong. A majority of people can be very bloodthirsty and cry out for killings that are not justified. Just look at all the blood lust watchers of the Arias trial who were crying because she did not get a death sentence! A majority is not fit to decide what is right or wrong, especially an emotional majority, or one swayed by manipulative demagogues or elites....
Here, you appear to confuse democracy to voting.

I do take your point about 'some Israelis' and many Muslims. However, there will never be peace in the middle-East while such moderates make no progress against their majority. Personally, I think there will only be peace with a one-state solution and majority rule. That doesn't seem politically achievable without Israel being swallowed in a greater 'Palestine-Isreal' state.

I do accept that a distinction might be made between Islam and Islamism. Egypt, Turkey and Indonesia, as well as many western Muslims suggest that Islam is not inevitably more at odds with democratic principles than Christianity has to be. Extremism and a reluctance to accept democratic forms of governance seem to me the problem. Try entirely separating that from Islam, in particular. Even in the UK Islamists want their own schools, law courts and they even wanted a 'Muslim Parliament'. Fundamentalist Jews are similar in having their courts, schools and often a hostility to science supportive of evolutionary theory.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2182994.st...

Sectarianism is often compounded by religion. Arguably Zionism is a direct result of religion.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#16045 May 26, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
Known by many as the world's most famous atheist, Richard Dawkins - author of The God Delusion - explained during a public discussion at Oxford University, that he does not think of himself as an atheist, but rather an agnostic.
The Telegraph reported on Monday that Richard Dawkins - although regularly labeled as one - does not consider himself an atheist.
In the open dialogue with Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr. Rowan Williams, Dawkins also noted that in his book, The God Delusion, he never made the claim that he is certain that God does not exist.
When moderator, Sir Anthony Kennedy, made a remark insinuating that Dawkins had made such an argument, Dawkins quickly jumped in and corrected him.
"No, I don't. I don't. You were wrong when you said that. I constructed in the God Delusion a 7-point scale, of which 1 is 'I know God exists' and 7 is 'I know God doesn't exist' and I called myself a 6."
Kennedy then asked, "Why don't you call yourself an agnostic then?"
Dawkins replied, "I do."
Dawkins then explained that he believes there are gradations of agnosticism. He is of the opinion that there are agnostics who feel that although they cannot know, for sure, whether or not a God exists, they conclude -to their satisfaction - that there is a 50-50 chance there is, or isn't a God. Dawkins emphasized that he is no such agnostic.
Quite certain - although he set forth absolutely no research or statistical evidence to support his claim - Dawkins insists that it is highly improbable that God exists.
"I think the probability of any supernatural creator existing is very, very low, which is why I say I'm a 6.9"
One has to wonder, where does Dawkins derive such a "probability"? If he is so certain, why doesn't he just say he is a 7? What holds him back?
I note you probably got a better answer from Polymath here in post 227....

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