Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

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My blog posts on religion have attracted a lot of controversy. Religious people are annoyed by my claim that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

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“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#15911 May 21, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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You do not have dirty thoughts but a dirtier mouth to express them.
It is the gutter language you use and it suits the sewer that you spew out.
PS:
This is as far as my civil upbringing allows me to go.
Your 'civil upbringing allows' you to abuse, rape and murder little girls.

Gee, I'm glade I am not civilized.
spudgun

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#15912 May 21, 2013
MUQ "No one is born Atheists, only a stupid person would say that."

Everyone is born without a belief in God or gods. So they are Atheist or Agnostic, whichever you prefer.

"I was born into a Muslim family. My parents taught me about Islam."

Thank you for confirming what we know, that well over 90% of people just follow the religion of their upbringing.

"But once I grew up, I studied Islam with care and attention as much as I could and I found it to be True religion."

That was a bit of luck, being born into the one true faith ;)

Poor ol me. Born into one of the many false religions, Christianity.

Allah must really hate me!

"Now if any one can convince me that Islam is not the best religion and his or her religion is in fact better than Islam, then I am ready to change my religion"

Islam is a simpler religion than Christianity, with clearer teachings. It helps having one book, and not 66 contradictory ones.

I am skeptical of all religions. If I had to pick one, the ones in the Far East like Shintoism are the least superstitious, just in my view.

"Now regarding Atheism, it has no base and no body, just a bunch of idiots claiming there is no God."

Maybe cause there is no evidence of a God or gods, or for that matter ghosts or angels.

"How is can be better than Islam, when they even cannot define what is Atheism and who is an Atheist."

Atheism is a lack of belief in God or gods. An Atheist does not believe in God.

Its a system of thought based on reason rather than magic or superstition.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#15913 May 21, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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No one is born Atheists, only a stupid person would say that.
I was born into a Muslim family. My parents taught me about Islam.
....
Indoctinated is the word. "Give me a boy under 7...."

Only a stupid person would insist that they were born with their specific, Abrahamic (or whatever) religion inherent in their mind or DNA.

Religion = superstition
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#15914 May 21, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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Dear brother
I do not like these line by line remarks.
It would be better if you compose your posts in formal way, so I can study it and respond to it.
Some one might start posting, word by word response too!!
My posts are to illustrate to others exactly what is wrong with yours. I feel you've demonstrated to most reasonable people's satisfaction that you're too dim to comprehend what people write. "Islam's all I've got". "Nobody can convince me..." you say. I believe you. That illustrates one problem caused by 'religious teaching' and religious faith.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#15915 May 21, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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Ans....
We aren't your students. I and others have offered detailed responses explaining exactly what is so perverse and ignorant in what you write. You just 'don't like line by line..' you want others to 'compose their thoughts'. Yours aren't composed better than ours and perhasp most people here, like me, seem quite disgusted by how ignorant you are.

You may know your version of Islam, but you understand almost no other point of view.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#15916 May 21, 2013
spudgun wrote:
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How did you into religion in the first place? Parents, madrassa? Who started you to believe in what you believe?
Cause we are all born atheists. No-one makes this stuff up by themselves.
He has kindly related that his father was a big influence. I don't know about his education but he sounds as if he went from an ultra-conservative Islamic culture in India to work in an even more fundamentalist culture in Saudi Arabia. These influences seem to have left him ill-equipped to understand almost anything that is said to him, even the point that children are in no position to consent to sex and marriage.

Religion like all superstition is pernicious. why isn't always apparent to many people and even many westerners argue that there is no harm to it and emphasise cultural, political and other factors. Some even see religion as inherently good.
spudgun

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#15917 May 21, 2013
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>why isn't always apparent to many people and even many westerners argue that there is no harm to it and emphasise cultural, political and other factors. Some even see religion as inherently good.
I think a common view is to believe in belief. Some atheists/ agnostics do not believe in myths themselves, but think that its important for society at large that the populace has some myths to believe in. Quite patronising if you ask me!

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#15918 May 21, 2013
spudgun wrote:
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I think a common view is to believe in belief. Some atheists/ agnostics do not believe in myths themselves, but think that its important for society at large that the populace has some myths to believe in. Quite patronising if you ask me!
It is a result of the indoctrination of the religious nonsense. Since all of them start this indoctrination when they are young, it's very difficult to actually break it all. A conflict of such cannot exist forever though, eventually they will crack and either break free of the indoctrination completely, seeing the danger of the delusion and thus knowing we need to reduce it's presence in the species, or they will relapse. Sadly many do relapse and drop back into the delusional world of faeries, goblins, and gods.

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#15919 May 21, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
How about you actually answer a question once in a while instead of spam blasting the board?
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Your question rings a bell it's deafening. Dream-on.

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#15920 May 21, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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They probably beat it into them.
In MY experience, "probably" isn't in the equation, It WAS beaten into me/us, school/home/Sunday School/neighbours, Uncle Tom Cobbly & all!

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#15921 May 21, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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No one is born Atheists, only a stupid person would say that.
I was born into a Muslim family. My parents taught me about Islam.
But once I grew up, I studied Islam with care and attention as much as I could and I found it to be True religion.
Now if any one of us can convince me that Islam is not the best religion and his or her religion is in fact better than Islam, then I am ready to change my religion and accept their religion.
But it should be a serious and point by point discussion, not just expressing their views without any supporting proofs.
So far I have not met even a single person, who could convince me that their religion, Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism or Sikhism .... Communism, Socialism, Nazism, Fascism ...or any ism is better than Islam and Islamic teachings.
Now regarding Atheism, it has no base and no body, just a bunch of idiots claiming there is no God.
How is can be better than Islam, when they even cannot define what is Atheism and who is an Atheist.
But I keep the floor open, let some one take up this challenge.
The pity is that your eyes are not as open as much as you want the floor to be; just about EVERY page in this forum offers a good definition of the word "Atheist," all that's NEEDED is for you to comprehend fundamentals of the English Language, and cease being a f@cking idiot, give your arse a chance.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#15922 May 21, 2013
Everyone is born an atheist, babies are unable to understand the concept of a god. They rely on adults for everything so certainly they are not up to snuff on philosophical matters like god.

You are a Muslim because you were born into a Muslim family. If you left Islam you would be dubbed an apostate and killed by your own family and friends.

So even if you could see reason you are not in a place where you could leave the religion of beasts, Islam.
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>No one is born Atheists, only a stupid person would say that.

I was born into a Muslim family. My parents taught me about Islam.
But I keep the floor open, let some one take up this challenge.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#15923 May 21, 2013
Yes because it's so obviously true.
jacktheladat1 wrote:
<quoted text>Your question rings a bell it's deafening. Dream-on.
CunningLinguist

Lady Lake, FL

#15924 May 21, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
No one is born Atheists, only a stupid person would say that.
I was born into a Muslim family. My parents taught me about Islam.
But once I grew up, I studied Islam with care and attention as much as I could and I found it to be True religion.
Now if any one of us can convince me that Islam is not the best religion and his or her religion is in fact better than Islam, then I am. ready to change my religion and accept their religion.
But it should be a serious and point by point discussion, not just expressing their views without any supporting proofs.
So far I have not met even a single person, who could convince me that their religion, Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism or Sikhism .... Communism, Socialism, Nazism, Fascism ...or any ism is better than Islam and Islamic teachings.
Now regarding Atheism, it has no base and no body, just a bunch of idiots claiming there is no God.
How is can be better than Islam, when they even cannot define what is Atheism and who is an Atheist.
But I keep the floor open, let some one take up this challenge.
Please make me want to be a Muslim by answering these 2 simple questions.:)

1) Can you provide evidence that your God(Allah) is the only true God in a way that religions other than yours (Judaism, Christianity, Etc.) cannot do?

2) Can you provide evidence that your holy book (Quran) is true in a way that religions other than yours (Bible) cannot do with theirs?

I think not... INFIDEL! Do try... ask you local Imam!
He should have that proof in the mosque.

And... yes... you were born an ATHEIST, into a Muslim family.
Your family taught their superstitions to you!

However, there is no getting around the simple truth of it: all babies are atheists.

How could it be otherwise?

In fact, all children are atheists until they reach an age where they can truly understand religious doctrine, which will mean well into their teens.

Children can mimic their parents in prayer, for example, by closing their eyes and clasping their hands together, and repeating some words that they donít understand. Of course even toddler-praying canít happen until a child reaches the age of speech.

Beyond praying though, there is so much more to consider when parents proclaim that their little ones are Christian or Jewish or Hindu or Muslim and so on.

To say that someone is "Christian" is to say that the someone understands:
(1) the story of the life of Jesus as told in the Bible;
(2) the concepts of heaven and hell;
(3) the concept of "faith" in an invisible entity;
(4) sin;
(5) forgiveness;
(6) the Triune God and
(7) communion.

With all this complicated theology in mind, picture a 5-month-old infant contentedly filling her diaper, and try to convince anyone that she understands all of the above.

If she does not, she is a Atheist. I donít care how much water you sprinkle on her head, or how many magical words you recite over her as she howls in a church, she doesnít have the foggiest idea about any of it.

Had you been born into a Jewish family, you would be a Jew.

About those answers... CONVERT ME!

Allah Willing <rolls eyes>
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#15925 May 21, 2013
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>He has kindly related that his father was a big influence. I don't know about his education but he sounds as if he went from an ultra-conservative Islamic culture in India to work in an even more fundamentalist culture in Saudi Arabia. These influences seem to have left him ill-equipped to understand almost anything that is said to him, even the point that children are in no position to consent to sex and marriage.
Religion like all superstition is pernicious. why isn't always apparent to many people and even many westerners argue that there is no harm to it and emphasise cultural, political and other factors. Some even see religion as inherently good.
This speaks of your own analysis based on your guess work.

You truly are an "expert"!!
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#15926 May 21, 2013
It seems there is a gang war on me!!

Just every one is hastening to answer my simple question , please define what is Atheism.

Not what it is not!!

There should be some thing positive also, not only negatives, you cannot have a civilization based on negatives, can you?

No two people will agree to anything in this system. Will they?

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#15927 May 21, 2013
MUQ wrote:
It seems there is a gang war on me!!
Just every one is hastening to answer my simple question , please define what is Atheism.
Not what it is not!!
There should be some thing positive also, not only negatives, you cannot have a civilization based on negatives, can you?
No two people will agree to anything in this system. Will they?
Should we change what it is, into something, that it is not, just so you can see something where there is nothing?

To be an atheist, do nothing. To be theist, you must become indoctrinated, until then you are an atheist.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#15928 May 21, 2013
Atheism is not believing in god as we have told you dozens of times.

The best thing is atheists don't have honor killing, honor rape or selling little girl as child brides like in Islam.
MUQ wrote:
It seems there is a gang war on me!!

Just every one is hastening to answer my simple question , please define what is Atheism.

Not what it is not!!

There should be some thing positive also, not only negatives, you cannot have a civilization based on negatives, can you?

No two people will agree to anything in this system. Will they?

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#15929 May 21, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Atheism is not believing in god as we have told you dozens of times.
The best thing is atheists don't have honor killing, honor rape or selling little girl as child brides like in Islam.
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That plus the secret handshake..

Oops! I don't think I was supposed to mention the secret handshake, just ignore that MUG.

Meanwhile you should be figuring out why you follow a man who needed to do a child near the end of his life so that he could get it up.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#15930 May 21, 2013
MUQ wrote:
It seems there is a gang war on me!!
Just every one is hastening to answer my simple question , please define what is Atheism.
Atheism is a lack of belief in god or gods.

That is what the definition is - I'm sorry that you deny it.

If you have problems understanding the definition of atheism, why have you been in this forum ALL YEAR POSTING RELIGIOUS GARBAGE - WITHOUT BOTHERING TO UNDERSTAND ATHEISM?

Theists need help from medical professionals.

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