Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

There are 24178 comments on the Psychology Today story from Apr 25, 2012, titled Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038. In it, Psychology Today reports that:

My blog posts on religion have attracted a lot of controversy. Religious people are annoyed by my claim that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

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“Right click Left click Yay!”

Since: Dec 10

Nehwon

#15502 May 8, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
Of, almost forgot, never, I mean NEVER, use Internet Explorer.
With a new computer, I use it... to download Firefox.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#15503 May 8, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Really?
I've used a mac in the past, and found it's "mac way" not to my liking-- it was extremely frustrating, there being but one (1) way to do things I needed doing.
And that one (1) way never was the way I wanted or thought it ought to be done...
... Linux I dabbled with, I still have a distro on one of my outboard hard disks, and I do occasionally boot it up to play.
Alas, it's chief failure is that I cannot get 3 screens in a virtual desktop working.
In fact? I cannot get Linux to even recognize that I HAVE 3 monitors attached at the same time-- it insists on simply duplicating all 3 the same, regardless of how I set it up.
(I spent 3 days on this one)
I tried to get help, and the >>best<< non-answer was "you need to write your own driver for that function"....!
What? Pass-- it Just Works in Windoze.
<laughing>
Yeah, I'm too lazy to roll my own driver to make the machine do what I want...
.... <laughing at myself, now>
First, Mac is a bit constrictive, but constrictive is not an OS thing, it's a dev thing, there are many Linux distros that suffer that as well.

Second, now you can do your multimonitor thing. With open source the only drawback is that you have to wait until a real programmer gets interested in what you want. Matter of fact, multimonitor capabilities have been available in pretty much all distros for about 8 years. When you say "I have tried" something in technology and that was almost a decade ago, that means you have not tried it.
Lincoln

United States

#15504 May 8, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Agree-- but I admit, that when I'm on Microsoft's domain, looking for a solution?
I do drop-over to IE for that. I find the access is smoother-- I suspect that Microsoft deliberately uses things which "break" the other browsers...
... and why not? It's their website, their rules.
Microsoft is offering to pay $1 billion to buy the digital assets of Nook Media LLC, the digital book and college book joint venture with Barnes & Noble and other investors, according to internal documents we’ve obtained. In this plan, Microsoft would redeem preferred units in Nook Media, which also includes a college textbook division, leaving it with the digital operation — e-books, as well as Nook e-readers and tablets.
Lincoln

United States

#15505 May 8, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Or more likely?
An actual.... GOD will turn up in Times Square or underneath the Tower of London...
:D
Several media outlets reported on Tuesday morning that Microsoft was planning large-scale changes to its new Windows 8 operating system, but the software giant will face some notable limitations on what exactly it can do with the software that has so far failed to reverse the slump of slowing PC sales.
Lincoln

United States

#15506 May 8, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Agree-- but I admit, that when I'm on Microsoft's domain, looking for a solution?
I do drop-over to IE for that. I find the access is smoother-- I suspect that Microsoft deliberately uses things which "break" the other browsers...
... and why not? It's their website, their rules.
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Lincoln

United States

#15507 May 8, 2013
Apple still seem superior for those who wish to avoid crashes

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#15508 May 8, 2013
I have a MacBook and an iMac not to mention my iPhone and iPad lol!

I do have an Alienware desktop for gaming though :)
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>First, Mac is a bit constrictive, but constrictive is not an OS thing, it's a dev thing, there are many Linux distros that suffer that as well.

Second, now you can do your multimonitor thing. With open source the only drawback is that you have to wait until a real programmer gets interested in what you want. Matter of fact, multimonitor capabilities have been available in pretty much all distros for about 8 years. When you say "I have tried" something in technology and that was almost a decade ago, that means you have not tried it.

“Right click Left click Yay!”

Since: Dec 10

Nehwon

#15509 May 8, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Really?
I've used a mac in the past, and found it's "mac way" not to my liking-- it was extremely frustrating, there being but one (1) way to do things I needed doing.
And that one (1) way never was the way I wanted or thought it ought to be done...
... Linux I dabbled with, I still have a distro on one of my outboard hard disks, and I do occasionally boot it up to play.
Alas, it's chief failure is that I cannot get 3 screens in a virtual desktop working.
In fact? I cannot get Linux to even recognize that I HAVE 3 monitors attached at the same time-- it insists on simply duplicating all 3 the same, regardless of how I set it up.
(I spent 3 days on this one)
I tried to get help, and the >>best<< non-answer was "you need to write your own driver for that function"....!
What? Pass-- it Just Works in Windoze.
<laughing>
Yeah, I'm too lazy to roll my own driver to make the machine do what I want...
.... <laughing at myself, now>
My first computer was an Apple ][e. And it was pretty amazing.

The next one was one I built with various components after doing a lot of research. A 486 DX2 with Windows 3.1.

Fast forward 10 years. It's not so as easy. Whether you like it or not, Microsoft Office is the predominant business application.

You could think of it like this: at one time you could fly a plane and do it commercially by being bootstrappy.

But if you want to fly internationally on a commercial basis, you better know how to speak English.

“Right click Left click Yay!”

Since: Dec 10

Nehwon

#15510 May 8, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
Apple still seem superior for those who wish to avoid crashes
Because Apple PC's are still low in the market share.

What wouldn't surprise me is the cracking of the iPhones the same as Microsoft OS on a PC of not too long ago.

Inverted 80/20 rule.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#15511 May 9, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
First, Mac is a bit constrictive, but constrictive is not an OS thing, it's a dev thing, there are many Linux distros that suffer that as well.
Second, now you can do your multimonitor thing. With open source the only drawback is that you have to wait until a real programmer gets interested in what you want. Matter of fact, multimonitor capabilities have been available in pretty much all distros for about 8 years. When you say "I have tried" something in technology and that was almost a decade ago, that means you have not tried it.
I have tried it within a couple of months-- in fact? The last time there was an updated Windows driver, I re-tried Linux-- no joy.

The "driver" for Linux did not know what to do with even one monitor, let alone 3.

For example, it was too poorly written to query the monitor's digital signal-- you were forced to manually set the resolution, via an ugly command-line CONSOLE interface-- it was too stupid to have a list of choices (apart from 1980's vintage resolutions....)

That annoyed me-- this is basic stuff here.

But when I went to several different Linux forums to get help?

Well.... let's just say I have been treated better by Godbots on Topix, than I was on Linux forums -- even though I was quite polite, the replies were ... "rude" is too mild.

That disgusted me, and pretty much turned me off to the OS.

Pass. Windoze Just Works, out of the box, without fuss, and automatically. 3 monitors? Just works. Virtual desktop across 3 monitors? It Just Works with a few automatic steps-- graphical interface, no ugly command-lines with 3L33T-speak unfriendly sequences of mystical spell-casting....(as with Linux)

I'm done with it for now-- the user base seems hell-bent on keeping out of the hands of the general public.

And they are welcome to it, too.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#15512 May 9, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
I have a MacBook and an iMac not to mention my iPhone and iPad lol!
I do have an Alienware desktop for gaming though :)
<quoted text>
:)

You are welcome to the "apple way"... I'll keep my Android, thanks.

And I see you are not fooled by "windows compatable" crap to force-fit a Mac into running a Windoze-compiled game...

<laughing>

And yeah... I am quite aware that Android is a step-child of Linux, in light of my comment just previous to this one.

But, I don't use my Android phone or tablet for intensive gaming; light web-searching, reading, and ... naturally... cell phone calls & text messaging.

Those just work-- and I do NOT have to be towel boy to Steve Job's Ghost...

... <laughing>

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#15513 May 9, 2013
greymouser wrote:
<quoted text>
My first computer was an Apple ][e. And it was pretty amazing.
The next one was one I built with various components after doing a lot of research. A 486 DX2 with Windows 3.1.
I did not use pre-Win95 much at all, apart for booting it up and making the computers network, so I could run the monthly Super-Mega-Backup program to Tape-- tape drives were costly, so I only had the one, and Win 3.1.1 let me network all the drives to the one PC which had the tape machine in it.

( between monthly backups, incremental saving was up to the individual user, or not, as they wished to gamble. <grin> )
greymouser wrote:
Fast forward 10 years. It's not so as easy. Whether you like it or not, Microsoft Office is the predominant business application.
I use exclusively, Star Open Office on my PC & a clone of that on my Androids.

The former is free, the latter is cheap enough at $15. Both understand the latest Micro$oft Office formats, should the need ever arise (unlikely).
greymouser wrote:
You could think of it like this: at one time you could fly a plane and do it commercially by being bootstrappy.

But if you want to fly internationally on a commercial basis, you better know how to speak English.
True--- English is the International Language of Flight. Likely to be of Spacetravel too.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#15514 May 9, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
I have tried it within a couple of months-- in fact? The last time there was an updated Windows driver, I re-tried Linux-- no joy.
The "driver" for Linux did not know what to do with even one monitor, let alone 3.
For example, it was too poorly written to query the monitor's digital signal-- you were forced to manually set the resolution, via an ugly command-line CONSOLE interface-- it was too stupid to have a list of choices (apart from 1980's vintage resolutions....)
That annoyed me-- this is basic stuff here.
But when I went to several different Linux forums to get help?
Well.... let's just say I have been treated better by Godbots on Topix, than I was on Linux forums -- even though I was quite polite, the replies were ... "rude" is too mild.
That disgusted me, and pretty much turned me off to the OS.
Pass. Windoze Just Works, out of the box, without fuss, and automatically. 3 monitors? Just works. Virtual desktop across 3 monitors? It Just Works with a few automatic steps-- graphical interface, no ugly command-lines with 3L33T-speak unfriendly sequences of mystical spell-casting....(as with Linux)
I'm done with it for now-- the user base seems hell-bent on keeping out of the hands of the general public.
And they are welcome to it, too.
Is your card made in Saudi Arabia or something? Both ATI and NVidia have commercial drivers and open source, NVidia's driver was released by NVidia itself and IBM released the specs for the ATI so that open source devs could write our own. Apple video cards are fully supported by the open source drivers as well. The open source drivers are ALL plug and play now as well. You would have to be completely and totally computer illiterate, about as illiterate as Urban Cowboy, in order to screw up any of the distro installs now. I even use one of the newest of the desktop enviros, it's nice and light weight but has all the tools I like on hand, and I never have to use the terminal, though I prefer terminal for a lot of things myself.

There is an off-chance you may be the result of one of the MS brainwashed "Best Buy" buffoons, but I put some faith in this not being true, however, everything you posted here sounds straight from their script so I am becoming a bit suspicious. The only downside to Linux, lac of games, due to proprietary drivers and such that are MS dependent.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#15515 May 9, 2013
greymouser wrote:
<quoted text>
My first computer was an Apple ][e. And it was pretty amazing.
The next one was one I built with various components after doing a lot of research. A 486 DX2 with Windows 3.1.
Fast forward 10 years. It's not so as easy. Whether you like it or not, Microsoft Office is the predominant business application.
You could think of it like this: at one time you could fly a plane and do it commercially by being bootstrappy.
But if you want to fly internationally on a commercial basis, you better know how to speak English.
Ah, but Libre and Open Office can literally do anything MS Office can. Also, most servers online are Linux, most hub systems are Linux/Unix. Almost none are Windoze. If you want to be a tech in the modern world, you at least need to know Linux, if you don't, you will never be a real tech.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#15516 May 9, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Is your card made in Saudi Arabia or something? Both ATI and NVidia have commercial drivers and open source, NVidia's driver was released by NVidia itself and IBM released the specs for the ATI so that open source devs could write our own.
Nope-- it's AMD Radeon HD6800 series, built by AMD.

And I'm not really interested in writing my own anymore-- maybe back in the day, when I used to tweak that fixed memory model by re-iteratively re-booting a PC, fixing the CONFIG.SYS file at each boot, to get back a few more kilobytes of precious RAM...

But not now. Just not that interested-- I'd have to rewrite it everytime there was an update... with Linux, that'd be... what? Weekly?
KittenKoder wrote:
Apple video cards are fully supported by the open source drivers as well.
Cannot say-- I've never owned one myself, I only worked for a company that used them, is how I'm even a little familiar with their methods of doing.
KittenKoder wrote:
The open source drivers are ALL plug and play now as well. You would have to be completely and totally computer illiterate, about as illiterate as Urban Cowboy, in order to screw up any of the distro installs now.
Perhaps. I hadn't booted into Linux in about a year, and when I wanted to upgrade a hard disk in Feb or so, I thought I'd use Linux-- it was a near disaster.

Mainly because as soon as I booted it up? It--without asking-- started updating everything like crazy-- and THAT blew my linux install to shreds-- literally. I had to start over practically from scratch, so bad did the "automatic update" engine mess things up. Only one display, and that was pure-HASH (literally--little boxes, unreadable by anyone). I had to figure out how to boot into "safe" mode, JUST TO SEE. A couple of days of THAT, before it'd boot to a normal-looking screen. Still only the one, though...

I did finally get it sorted, sortof-- after a couple of days of being talked down to, being treated like a pariah by Linux forums, I got ONE (1) monitor working again.

And I got my hard drive sorted for Windoze, and exited Linux, never to look back if I could help it...
KittenKoder wrote:
I even use one of the newest of the desktop enviros, it's nice and light weight but has all the tools I like on hand, and I never have to use the terminal, though I prefer terminal for a lot of things myself.
"tools"? Really? There are ... TOOLS IN THERE?

You could have put a gun to my head, and I would have swore there were no such things...

... seriously. All that I did to get mine sorted, I used command-line arcane spell-like copy-and-paste things.
KittenKoder wrote:
There is an off-chance you may be the result of one of the MS brainwashed "Best Buy" buffoons, but I put some faith in this not being true, however, everything you posted here sounds straight from their script so I am becoming a bit suspicious.
Nope. I do not buy PCs from Best Buy. I build'em myself. Have been doing that since 1983-ish or so.

I'm on Win7, ultimate. It Just Works. Sure, it's bloated, it "weighs" a ton, but it works 99% of the time without a great deal of fussing with it.
KittenKoder wrote:
The only downside to Linux, lac of games, due to proprietary drivers and such that are MS dependent.
Yep. That's mostly why I have given up on it.

But also because anyone who is new, and looking for help?

Is treated like sh7t by the Linux forums. At least, the ones I was on-- you're either 100% ignored, or you are spoken down to (without being given help), or you are told to read some non-existent manual (without a link)... or you are directed to a post, which has long since been archived (as in, not available any more).

As I said: linux is not ready for the general public.

And the aficionados appear for the most part, trying their best to keep it that way. You seem to be an exception...

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#15517 May 9, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Ah, but Libre and Open Office can literally do anything MS Office can. Also, most servers online are Linux, most hub systems are Linux/Unix. Almost none are Windoze. If you want to be a tech in the modern world, you at least need to know Linux, if you don't, you will never be a real tech.
Yes...yes they can!

:D

I switched to Star Open Office, back in 2004 or 2005 or so-- my last honest, paid-for M$ office product being 2000.

I have yet to regret that decision-- even my complicated spreadsheet formulas still work as expected.

:)

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#15518 May 9, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope-- it's AMD Radeon HD6800 series, built by AMD.
And I'm not really interested in writing my own anymore-- maybe back in the day, when I used to tweak that fixed memory model by re-iteratively re-booting a PC, fixing the CONFIG.SYS file at each boot, to get back a few more kilobytes of precious RAM...
But not now. Just not that interested-- I'd have to rewrite it everytime there was an update... with Linux, that'd be... what? Weekly?
<quoted text>
Cannot say-- I've never owned one myself, I only worked for a company that used them, is how I'm even a little familiar with their methods of doing.
<quoted text>
Perhaps. I hadn't booted into Linux in about a year, and when I wanted to upgrade a hard disk in Feb or so, I thought I'd use Linux-- it was a near disaster.
....
Modern ATI then, I have ancient ATI and mine worked, with full OpenGL3 support and GLSL 1.2 support out of installation. You claim to build PCs yourself, yet you deny the only operating system that even offers support for non-standard hardware, rather ironic, no? Making up an excuse that's a blatant lie just to justify why you don't like an OS makes you look like a liar, and anyone with a shred of actual experience with Linux, especially a dev like me, will see through that lie in a heartbeat and call you on it. I truncated for space, because here's the reply you need:

Almost ALL Linux distros, with some exceptions, are now operating on "net installation," you get the minimal operating system in the live CD, and the rest is downloaded on first boot, thus the base install is faster and the repos can support more hardware. That's what your "updates" are in the first boot.

If you are having issues, and it's not "CONFIG.SYS," that's Windoze not Linux, and GRUB has been upgraded to GRUB2 in most distros, with your installation then you simply are not a computer literate person or are not actually reading about the different distros and who they are catered to. Ubuntu is the common one for people new to computers, it's a good starting point, 99% automated, though you sacrifice some freedom. There are GUI frontends for pretty much everything in all distros now, though.

I have one issue with my current computer, due to it's ancient hardware, I do have to turn off acpi, but on anything less than 5 years old you do not have to do that. Sorry to be blunt, you know that I am always blunt, but it sounds more like you didn't like it and made excuses as to why you didn't like it instead of actually ... testing it. If you had simply said you don't like it, meh, to each their own. I hate Ubuntu and Windoze, but I love OpenSuse with vanilla kernel and XFCE desktop environment ... and that's nothing but personal preference.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#15519 May 9, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes...yes they can!
:D
I switched to Star Open Office, back in 2004 or 2005 or so-- my last honest, paid-for M$ office product being 2000.
I have yet to regret that decision-- even my complicated spreadsheet formulas still work as expected.
:)
It's the benefit of open source that makes them better, oddly. It's great that MS is making money, but closed source simply cannot honestly compete with the open source versatility. Whenever a dev needs a format, a change is made to one of the branches of code to accommodate that, if there is no interference with the trunk, it eventually gets adopted and then you have a new feature, free of charge, only because someone wanted that feature who knew how to add it. It's a very poetic thing when put to music:

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#15520 May 9, 2013
Way back in the day I bought a Mac cube and got hooked :)
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>:)

You are welcome to the "apple way"... I'll keep my Android, thanks.

And I see you are not fooled by "windows compatable" crap to force-fit a Mac into running a Windoze-compiled game...

<laughing>

And yeah... I am quite aware that Android is a step-child of Linux, in light of my comment just previous to this one.

But, I don't use my Android phone or tablet for intensive gaming; light web-searching, reading, and ... naturally... cell phone calls & text messaging.

Those just work-- and I do NOT have to be towel boy to Steve Job's Ghost...

... <laughing>

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#15521 May 9, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Modern ATI then, I have ancient ATI and mine worked, with full OpenGL3 support and GLSL 1.2 support out of installation. You claim to build PCs yourself, yet you deny the only operating system that even offers support for non-standard hardware, rather ironic, no?
Ironic? Not at all-- I stick to standard hardware, without fail. Major labels only. ATI, Asus, etc. DOS worked on those back in the day, and M$ works on them today-- without fuss, without a lot of bother.

And without having to write my own frikkin drivers! I am done with having to code CONFIG.CFG files-- and I don't miss it in the least.

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