Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

Apr 25, 2012 Full story: Psychology Today 22,265

My blog posts on religion have attracted a lot of controversy. Religious people are annoyed by my claim that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

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#15409 May 6, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Well, it's based on the trends. Religiosity is declining by a certain percentage each year, which increase by a steady amount, do some math ... bam, 2038.
Nice, I like math...:) Thx

“Right click Left click Yay!”

Since: Dec 10

Nehwon

#15410 May 6, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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I have read up on biodiesel, or at least the cottage-industry methods used by smallish companies and individuals.
It is quite messy and smelly-- on a small scale. On large scale, the EPA would insist in air clean up, in the exhaust stacks, so it wouldn't be an issue, or it does not have to be.
One of the (currently) useless byproducts is glycol-- a kind of dirty, long-chain alcohol. Alas, it's too dirty to burn directly, so it's an unsatisfactory fuel-- but the small operators use it anyway, in spite of that.
Biodiesel is a good fuel, and modern engines like it very much-- in fact it works better than petro-diesel, as it has no sulfur compounds to corrode metal engine parts, and it leaves much less soot behind.
Alas, it has problems: it contains a bit less energy-per-liter than "regular" diesel, so mileage is lower. And it does not store long-term as well as petro-diesel. It will grow fungus, which clogs fuel filters. There's answers for that, of course.
Another problem with bio, is that it gets gel-like when too cold, and cannot be pumped at extreme low temperatures.
But it's 100% renewable. You can make biodiesel from anything that has fat in it-- like discarded turkey parts, or waste veggy oils/fats, or even waste animal fats too.
The process does involve hazardous chemicals (acid, wood alcohol) but those are not consumed entirely, and can be re-used with each cycle, with a small make-up addition as needed.
And the waste glycol is considered a mildly hazardous material-- on a large scale, disposal would be an issue.
I suppose there's really no one magic bullet to solve the energy problem, is there? Some avenues look to be more promising than others. And it looks more like we need a variety of sources to keep up with demand.

But, I know! Let's consult the Bible! Surely, there's answers in there for where we should get our energy from once the population has gone forth an multiplied! After all, it is quite detailed in other aspects of our lives. Like decorating Christmas trees or getting a tattoo or what is acceptable to eat.

Good thing I was only typing that. I wouldn't be able to keep a straight face if I said that.

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Since: Dec 10

Nehwon

#15412 May 6, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Next up-- carefully destroy all those radioactive smoke detectors, that are protecting our homes from fires.
They all contain a bit of radioactive isotope-- Horrors!
... must .. destroy.. all...'nook-you-lur' enemies ...
<laughing>
We need to ban Bic lighters, too! When lit, I feel heat radiating from the flame. If I look too close at the flame, I could burn my eyes out!

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Since: Dec 10

Nehwon

#15413 May 6, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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The irony is that it would actually be a new one of many uses for landfills. Many landfills are now "capped" off to siphon natural gas from, and some are even harvested for clay after a few decades as well. The problem is that there are not enough landfills to fill the need so they are still looking for other sources for these materials.
Recycling product only works for metals, all other products need more virgin materials to make the recycled product viable again than just a plain virgin product, but shh, the "green" lobbyist supporters will deny that. When you look at the big picture, our species is really doing less damage per capita than it was before we even used plastic now, the problem is that we have too many capita.:P
As for oil, the problem is the "reserves" our country stockpiles, which forces us to import in order to fill the need. But meh, if they don't find a solution that actually works soon ... the scientists will come to the rescue (again) and find an alternative that will make their entire oil nonsense obsolete anyway. That's what big corporations pay scientists to do.
I'd be curious just how much metals are in the landfills now. In a few thousand years, will there be a gold or silver rush on them?

And while I'm optimistic about science being able to come up with solutions, I'm cynical enough to say big business will crush any tech harmful to their bottom line. More realistically, corps will hold or buy the patents and never deploy them until they've squeezed out every last profitable dollar.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#15414 May 6, 2013
Snevaeh legna wrote:
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Nice, I like math...:) Thx
Honestly, I don't know the math they employed or where they got the numbers and even I suspect it's nothing more than a hopeful guess. It's just fun to watch the mega-religious people squirm and gnash their teeth about it.

“ IT'S A CHOICE !!!”

Since: Jun 12

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#15415 May 6, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Honestly, I don't know the math they employed or where they got the numbers and even I suspect it's nothing more than a hopeful guess. It's just fun to watch the mega-religious people squirm and gnash their teeth about it.
Agreed!

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#15416 May 6, 2013
greymouser wrote:
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I'd be curious just how much metals are in the landfills now. In a few thousand years, will there be a gold or silver rush on them?
And while I'm optimistic about science being able to come up with solutions, I'm cynical enough to say big business will crush any tech harmful to their bottom line. More realistically, corps will hold or buy the patents and never deploy them until they've squeezed out every last profitable dollar.
Here's the thing though, any new technology is always worth a fortune, and if it's marketable, it's worth a lot more. That's what people fail to recognize, especially those who spread the conspiracy nonsense about oil companies buying out the "fling cars" to prevent them from being produced. The government actually made those machines illegal because ... well we already have flying cars, they're called helicopters, and a special, expensive, license is required lest we have more air traffic accidents than land traffic ones ... imagine that mess for a moment and you'll know why the government said "no" to anything like them being mass produced.

Anyhow, when it comes to business practices and technology, every business wants to be the one to own the patent on it ... to sell it, because no technology will hurt the "bottom line" if you're the one producing it. The real problem is the oppressive copyright laws, brought to you by that annoying mouse's owners. Because of the state of the copyright laws as they are, most new products invented will never have an affordable generic version in production, unless the company is nice, ironically, like Apple. Can't believe I plugged Apple, anyhow, another drawback to the copyright laws is that innovation is slowed due to a lack of access to certain parts to the new technology. So if anything, we should be going after the media giants, they're the ones harming innovation more than any other company in the world, because they're the ones pushing for these insane life+infinity copyright laws. Just a recommendation for a way to actually improve things, not that I will see something improve like that in the US any time soon, I'd wager we'll see Brazil pass us up in technology soon.
rio

London, UK

#15417 May 7, 2013
OMG, what a bundle of fun you lot are!

“My hand is over my crotch.”

Since: Jan 10

It's time to put it to use

#15418 May 7, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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In Islam death penalty is not for "Minor Crimes" or on "Minors".
Those talking against death penalty are who do not know human nature and how crime rate goes higher when there is no deterrent punishment and when justice is denied or delayed due to the western court system, where every "protection" is given to the criminals and "Lawyers" are available to use every trick in the book to get their clients off hook.
The "sympathy" of law is with criminals and not with the victims, who have no protection or recompense for the wrongs they suffered.
According to Islamic law, a family of a victim can charge blood money and the offender can pay it to avoid other forms of criminal punishment.

“My hand is over my crotch.”

Since: Jan 10

It's time to put it to use

#15419 May 7, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Agreed. On both counts.
By repealing Glass, we've allowed the banks to become the great barons of old. I cannot understand why Clinton did not veto the bill; he had no election coming up. He did not need republican support. Perhaps they Clintons benefited in some way from it's repeal.
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#15420 May 7, 2013
GM wrote:
01. I will not even try to describe god in human terms considering what we've discovered of the universe. The best I can do is only offer guesses and I certainly would not try to enforce my guesses as dogma. You may as well ask me if the mathematical concept of infinity is sympathetic or can be angered.

02. No. Eating pork is not everything religion is about. However, certain religions has included the prohibition of eating pork. It seems trivial, don't you think?

03. "ism" does apply to Islam. And a whole host of other religions and other aspects of life. Look it up in the dictionary.

04.1 Because you haven't seen it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. How about a game then? If you are so sure, tell the god squad you aren't going to answer the call to prayer. And no, you may not dress as a European/American/infidel.

04.2 "The people who do not close down their shops in market at prayer times, might face some penalty for violation of local laws."

Considering everyone is forced into the mosque, why should a business stay open when there aren't any customers? And what is the fine for a 2nd, 3rd, or 4th offense?

04.3 "You should know that in Islam there is no separation between Secular and religious duties. Ruler of state is also responsible to see that Islamic system is enforce on ground."

So the ruler has final say so in matters both political and religious. Basically, you are saying your leaders of religion are as trustworthy as a politicians.

04.4 Saudi Arabia also has traffic and normal police.



04.5 " There is no value of religion in your countries, so you do not care a damn about it."

Because religion is not withstanding the test of time. Whenever we discover something that contradicts the dogma, it's either suppressed or another lie needs to be constructed to support the previous lies. Given time, the religious dogmas start sounding as ridiculous as Santa Claus.

04.6 "In Islam it is different."

This sounds suspiciously like what a battered wife would say.
Ans.

01. Even if you "try" to define God, you will be unable to do it. So it is no "shame" that you did not do it. We know about that bits about God, which He Himself reveals in His revelation to His Prophets. That info is "More than sufficient".

02. Eating Pork or doing any thing which has been expressively banned by God, is not a Trivial thing. It is a challenge to the Authority of God as a Law Giver. And if any one does these things to Challenge God' power as law Giver, then he or she is a Rebel.

Slapping any human is bad….but try slapping a Police officer or a Military officer….? You challenge the Might of the State!!

03. Islam is not "ism", it is a state of belief and a way of life. Isms usually deal with a small portion of human life.

04. There is nothing called "god squad", It is duty of "every Muslim" to ask his brother to come for regular prayer. Any Muslim "denying" prayer, has committed a very great sin.

05. The Penalty increase for multiple offenses (as in any legal system) and in the end their business shall be closed down for good.

06. The rulers should be selected with the consent of people. When you "trust" goons like GWB the Great to invade Afghanistan and Iraq, why cant we trust our Muslim rulers?

07. I do not mind what Title you give to Lenin or Stalin, but people will soon forget their names. Only Prophets of God have ever living names in the hearts of their followers.

08. There are so many "battered wives" in your society, I do not know what they say about your system.
spudgun

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#15421 May 7, 2013
rio wrote:
OMG, what a bundle of fun you lot are!
Care to add something productive to the debate?

“My hand is over my crotch.”

Since: Jan 10

It's time to put it to use

#15422 May 7, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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I would, if I was close enough-- I don't think what he did was right.
You don't think it was right to kill Osama?

“My hand is over my crotch.”

Since: Jan 10

It's time to put it to use

#15423 May 7, 2013
greymouser wrote:
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Key word there is "supposed."
And a key concept there is that the religions should not be trying to dictate policies of the state.
There are intersections of state and religion with the easy example of "you may not murder."*
*this, of course, assumes there's a translation error of the "Thou shalt not kill" Commandment where kill == murder. Otherwise, the infallible Bible folks are going to have a hard time defending a self defense plea or admit there is an error in the Bible. But they are well trained in compartmentalization and may claim that's not a problem at all because they are completely unrelated.
Well Godbots claim credit for basic common sense laws like not murdering or stealing, as if people needed a deity for the most basic of principles. What they love to divorce themselves from is all the stupid laws in the old testament like the one that requires women to marry their rapist or the one that demands death for those who want to earn money on the Sabbath.
Christians claim credit for monogamy even though there is nothing in the buybull that condemns polygamy. In fact, it was the Pagan homosexual Romans who insisted that men have only one wife at a time.
spudgun

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#15424 May 7, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
<quoted text> You don't think it was right to kill Osama?
I dont agree with the assassination of Obama. That is a slippery slope to go down. Unfortunately the US appears big on assassinations with its drone programme.

The problem with capital punishment generally is it breaches human rights and encourages a culture of violence and death.

I hope eventually the US moves away from the assassination programme and similar policies.

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#15425 May 7, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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Ans.
01. Even if you "try" to define God, you will be unable to do it. So it is no "shame" that you did not do it. We know about that bits about God, which He Himself reveals in His revelation to His Prophets. That info is "More than sufficient".
02. Eating Pork or doing any thing which has been expressively banned by God, is not a Trivial thing. It is a challenge to the Authority of God as a Law Giver. And if any one does these things to Challenge God' power as law Giver, then he or she is a Rebel.
Slapping any human is bad….but try slapping a Police officer or a Military officer….? You challenge the Might of the State!!
03. Islam is not "ism", it is a state of belief and a way of life. Isms usually deal with a small portion of human life.
04. There is nothing called "god squad", It is duty of "every Muslim" to ask his brother to come for regular prayer. Any Muslim "denying" prayer, has committed a very great sin.
05. The Penalty increase for multiple offenses (as in any legal system) and in the end their business shall be closed down for good.
06. The rulers should be selected with the consent of people. When you "trust" goons like GWB the Great to invade Afghanistan and Iraq, why cant we trust our Muslim rulers?
07. I do not mind what Title you give to Lenin or Stalin, but people will soon forget their names. Only Prophets of God have ever living names in the hearts of their followers.
08. There are so many "battered wives" in your society, I do not know what they say about your system.
Hey gutless still no word from you about:-
spudgun

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#15426 May 7, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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Ans.
01. Even if you "try" to define God, you will be unable to do it. So it is no "shame" that you did not do it. We know about that bits about God, which He Himself reveals in His revelation to His Prophets. That info is "More than sufficient".
..
Hi Muq, "God" has made no "revelation" to "prophets". If you critically review the EVIDENCE you will see that no "holy" books have been revealed.

The Quran like the Bible is a hodge podge of MYTHS. It has scientific and historical errors, and contradictions. you MUST know this by now surely.

For the love of Zeus, Woden and all the other gods.

You are acting typical brainwashed theist just like the Christians. You need to WAKE UP and start to question things.

How long have you been on this forum? Hangin out with infidels you MUST surely be learning SOMETHING by now :) You know like how to THINK for yourself, and REASON for yourself, question stuff.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#15427 May 7, 2013
spudgun wrote:
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I dont agree with the assassination of [Osama]. That is a slippery slope to go down. Unfortunately the US appears big on assassinations with its drone programme.
The problem with capital punishment generally is it breaches human rights and encourages a culture of violence and death.
I hope eventually the US moves away from the assassination programme and similar policies.
This is a really good point.

One difficulty is the lack of transparency. How do we know what is likely to have happened without those drone strikes? Perhaps many more people would have been killed and the conflict might be more violent and prolonged. It is perhaps natural to insist that the ends cannot justify the means, but our moral highness may feel of little consolation if Afghanistan or even Pakistan fall into avoidable internal conflict and failed states. Want to go back there again in 5 or 10 years?

As I see it, the real problem with drone strikes isn't the assassinations or the apparent violation of Pakistani sovereignty, troublesome as those issues are. The fundamental problem is the inability of electorates to know exactly who was killed by drone stikes and what was the anticipated outcomes of the insurgents activities had they not been. We are having to trust the US leadership's judgement, whose record is not perceived to be sound.

I would like to see drone strikes stopped too - I think.
spudgun

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#15428 May 7, 2013
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>..As I see it, the real problem with drone strikes isn't the assassinations or the apparent violation of Pakistani sovereignty, troublesome as those issues are. The fundamental problem is the inability of electorates to know exactly who was killed by drone stikes and what was the anticipated outcomes of the insurgents activities had they not been. We are having to trust the US leadership's judgement, whose record is not perceived to be sound.
I would like to see drone strikes stopped too - I think.
I am glad to see a positive response to my post. I was fearing a backlash.

As I am trying to evolve into more of a free thinker myself, I try to understand things from different sides of the debate.

One of the problems I think we have is that the media will say these are the good guys, the heros, and these the bad guys. But in the process the bad guys are dehumanised and lose their basic rights to life.

That I think is one of the problems with assassination programmes. Plus of course violence begets violence, and our governments pour petrol on the fire of the islamic world. On what is already a deranged religious situation.

Since: Mar 11

United States

#15429 May 7, 2013
I see you are unable to answer our questions and have resorted to spam blasting from your scribd page. I can define god just fine.

An ancient fictional creation used to explain the unknown and inspire bloodshed for profit.
MUQ wrote:
Ans.

01. Even if you "try" to define God, you will be unable to do it.

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