Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

Apr 25, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Psychology Today

My blog posts on religion have attracted a lot of controversy. Religious people are annoyed by my claim that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

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Which is why I'm in favor of a limited capitalistic society-- one where there are strict limits on the excesses of capitalism.
society should have a mix of limited capitalism and limited socialism. There should be public schools and private schools for example. But what is going on now is that the private interests are getting the government to subsidize private (for-profit) schools by paying tuition for secondary students to attend for profit schools, and to subsidize private for-profit colleges by guaranteeing loans to students attending them, where there is a high level of default on the loans, and a low level of graduation.

This mix of private interests dominating government policy is really bad. the taxpayers are being ripped off because the friends of private greed are subsidizing these private profiteering institutions. Senators Harkin and Durbin are especially outspoken about this.

This is only a small example of the same thing going on in all sorts of ways - tax subsidies for the rich corporations, tax shelters for corporations and financial institutions, etc. I am so glad to see Baucus retire, he was an embarassment as a Democrat who was sold out to so many private interests as chair of the Finance committee. Unfortunately, the poor do not have money to contribute to political campaigns, so too many of both parties listen to big contributors who want bills that will results in great profits for the corporate and financial interests. Citizens United made it worse, by allowing them to hide their identities when they contribute.

Also - did you know that the government helps disabled people pay tuition to rightwing religious institutions to get courses so they can become ministers? I think that violates separation of church and state. I have a friend who did this, and she will not get hired anywhere, I bet. She says lots of people do the same, including ex-military. I do not want my tax money going to indoctrinate anyone to become a minister of any faith whatsoever, and it is a waste if they are not trained for a real job. Better train them to become capable dishwashers!

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They GOP gets themselves and their friends rich at the expense of everyone else.
Obama has not been perfect I admit and I have has my disagreements with him. But as you said he is a world better than the stormin Mormon and his dead eyed VP would have been.
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Yeah-- I was disappointed that Obama took a soft line on homosexuals in the military, in that he took his sweet time about doing something about it.

As per past presidents, he could have easily issued a Presidential Order, and had done with it.

I suppose his way was more permanent, making it harder to reverse.

But with the 10th state legalizing gay marriage, I doubt that will even be an issue in the future-- the anti-gay people are losing this battle, and strongly.
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They GOP gets themselves and their friends rich at the expense of everyone else.
Obama has not been perfect I admit and I have has my disagreements with him. But as you said he is a world better than the stormin Mormon and his dead eyed VP would have been.
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I agree with you. Only Romney is a greedy Mormon, who hides his profiteering and tax evasions. The stormin guys are LG of SC and McCain, and their little buddies Lieberman and Ayotte - their chaperones in the triad of warmongers.

The truly evil one is Cruz, who reminds me so much of Joe McCarthy. He makes Rand Paul look harmless by comparison, and that takes some doing. Can you believe how RP said it was OK with him to use a drone to kill a robber coming out of a liquor store, after playing his libertarian Mr Smith goes to Washington act in the Senate, with that filibuster? I am all in favor of the talking filibuster - make those guys stand up and reveal what is in their heads, including the stuff that slips out whhen it is not written out for them by staff - talking filibusterers should be interupted by debaters who want to bring out more of their thinking by (socalled thinking) asking them questions and leading them to think on their feet and reveal themselves for what they are. Even McCain looked good standing up to Cruz v Hagel - though not in the way he treated Hagel himself.(Hagel has some characteristics like Gene
McCarthy used to have - a bit too elegant for the white trash crowd to be comfortable with, as well as being an anti-war hero).

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havent forgotten wrote:
society should have a mix of limited capitalism and limited socialism. There should be public schools and private schools for example. But what is going on now is that the private interests are getting the government to subsidize private (for-profit) schools by paying tuition for secondary students to attend for profit schools, and to subsidize private for-profit colleges by guaranteeing loans to students attending them, where there is a high level of default on the loans, and a low level of graduation.

This mix of private interests dominating government policy is really bad. the taxpayers are being ripped off because the friends of private greed are subsidizing these private profiteering institutions. Senators Harkin and Durbin are especially outspoken about this.

This is only a small example of the same thing going on in all sorts of ways - tax subsidies for the rich corporations, tax shelters for corporations and financial institutions, etc. I am so glad to see Baucus retire, he was an embarassment as a Democrat who was sold out to so many private interests as chair of the Finance committee. Unfortunately, the poor do not have money to contribute to political campaigns, so too many of both parties listen to big contributors who want bills that will results in great profits for the corporate and financial interests. Citizens United made it worse, by allowing them to hide their identities when they contribute.

Also - did you know that the government helps disabled people pay tuition to rightwing religious institutions to get courses so they can become ministers? I think that violates separation of church and state. I have a friend who did this, and she will not get hired anywhere, I bet. She says lots of people do the same, including ex-military. I do not want my tax money going to indoctrinate anyone to become a minister of any faith whatsoever, and it is a waste if they are not trained for a real job. Better train them to become capable dishwashers!
You raise several excellent points, most of which I agree with.

The only exception is the educational funding one-- I'm a strict believer in the more money you pump into education, the better off society is in the long term.

Even border-line educational systems, which are for-profit, and graduate less than half-- that means that nearly half DO graduate better educated than when they went in.

I think that education is the key to a great many of societies' ills-- people who are educated tend to choose more wisely when having babies, they tend to choose more wisely in their career paths, they tend to vote more progressive, they tend to either be not very religious or if they are, it's progressive religion.

The more people we get educated, the less they will submit to lies and bamboozling from politicians.

Notice the shift most recently to marriage equality: the message was changed to one of "marriage equality"-- very clever, and only someone educated in the process would have thought of it (doesn't have to be formal education).

But this new "marriage equality" meme is rapidly pushing through state legislation across the world.

I see education as the only long-term solution to the whole mess.

I'm willing to put up with a few profit-makers along the way-- so long as what they are teaching follows reasonable information.
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henry wrote:
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All gods are created by man and mostly in the interest of the mighty and rich ones.
OK, I found this quote which I agree with. somehow I got the impression that someone was attacking you for being religious - apparently I misread or misunderstood, or someone else did.

There is a big division however, in some religious denominations, with the preponderance being on the side of the rich and powerful, and a small minority being genuinely for the poor. But there is a liberation theology element here and there that I do respect - some Catholic priests, for example - one can tell them because of their being in jail or being reprimanded by exPope Ratty. Then there are the faux-type, like the present Pope and Mother Teresa, who like being kind to the poor, as seemingly sweet natured wannabe saints, while really agreeing that the poor are always with us, instead of demanding social and economic reforms.
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“Perhaps not one religion contains all of the truth of the world.

Perhaps every religion contains fragments of the truth, and it is our responsibility to identify those fragments and piece them together.”

&#8213; Christopher Paolini, Brisingr
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You religious nuts are so funny sometimes.
Why did you call henry a religious nut? that was misleading, seems to me, based on his comments about religion elsewhere. I did not see what the comment you were replying to implied some religious nuttery, to coin a term - views on science can vary, and not imply views on religion, unless specifically stated. Big Bang can be used by theists and atheists both, for example. A good agnostic has doubts about that theory just as he/she does about any god.
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<quoted text>Why did you call henry a religious nut? that was misleading, seems to me, based on his comments about religion elsewhere. I did not see what the comment you were replying to implied some religious nuttery, to coin a term - views on science can vary, and not imply views on religion, unless specifically stated. Big Bang can be used by theists and atheists both, for example. A good agnostic has doubts about that theory just as he/she does about any god.
Agnostics far out number atheists?

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<quoted text>Why did you call henry a religious nut? that was misleading, seems to me, based on his comments about religion elsewhere. I did not see what the comment you were replying to implied some religious nuttery, to coin a term - views on science can vary, and not imply views on religion, unless specifically stated. Big Bang can be used by theists and atheists both, for example. A good agnostic has doubts about that theory just as he/she does about any god.
Conspiracies are religions without gods.
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<quoted text> I agree with you. Only Romney is a greedy Mormon, who hides his profiteering and tax evasions. The stormin guys are LG of SC and McCain, and their little buddies Lieberman and Ayotte - their chaperones in the triad of warmongers.
The truly evil one is Cruz, who reminds me so much of Joe McCarthy. He makes Rand Paul look harmless by comparison, and that takes some doing. Can you believe how RP said it was OK with him to use a drone to kill a robber coming out of a liquor store, after playing his libertarian Mr Smith goes to Washington act in the Senate, with that filibuster? I am all in favor of the talking filibuster - make those guys stand up and reveal what is in their heads, including the stuff that slips out whhen it is not written out for them by staff - talking filibusterers should be interupted by debaters who want to bring out more of their thinking by (socalled thinking) asking them questions and leading them to think on their feet and reveal themselves for what they are. Even McCain looked good standing up to Cruz v Hagel - though not in the way he treated Hagel himself.(Hagel has some characteristics like Gene
McCarthy used to have - a bit too elegant for the white trash crowd to be comfortable with, as well as being an anti-war hero).
http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2012/07/...

Bishop Willard and his favorite planet: Kolub were totally unsatisfactory for leadership.

Romney wanted to run the country, keeps his money offshore to avoid taxes - Bain's business is to take advantage of other businesses - manipulate them for personal profit, then move onto the next victim.

Classic vulture capitalists

Congress for all practical purposes is a joke

we should pass three constitutional amendments that will go a long way toward fixing the core problems we now have. These include:

a) A constitutional amendment that fixes our broken electoral system by 1) completely removing campaign contributions from the political process; 2) requiring all elections to be publicly financed; 3) moving election day to the weekend to increase voter turnout; 4) making all Americans registered voters at the moment of their birth; 5) banning computerized voting and requiring that all elections take place on paper ballots; 6) term limits.

b) A constitutional amendment declaring that corporations are not people and do not have the constitutional rights of citizens. This amendment should also state that the interests of the general public and society must always come before the interests of corporations.

c) A constitutional amendment that will act as a "second bill of rights" as proposed by President Franklin D. Roosevelt: that every American has a human right to employment, to health care, to a free and full education, to breathe clean air, drink clean water and eat safe food, and to be cared for with dignity and respect in their old age.
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Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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You raise several excellent points, most of which I agree with.
The only exception is the educational funding one-- I'm a strict believer in the more money you pump into education, the better off society is in the long term.
Even border-line educational systems, which are for-profit, and graduate less than half-- that means that nearly half DO graduate better educated than when they went in.
I think that education is the key to a great many of societies' ills-- people who are educated tend to choose more wisely when having babies, they tend to choose more wisely in their career paths, they tend to vote more progressive, they tend to either be not very religious or if they are, it's progressive religion.
The more people we get educated, the less they will submit to lies and bamboozling from politicians.
Notice the shift most recently to marriage equality: the message was changed to one of "marriage equality"-- very clever, and only someone educated in the process would have thought of it (doesn't have to be formal education).
But this new "marriage equality" meme is rapidly pushing through state legislation across the world.
I see education as the only long-term solution to the whole mess.
I'm willing to put up with a few profit-makers along the way-- so long as what they are teaching follows reasonable information.
I do not want my tax money going for for-profit education, on either the secondary or college level, nor do I want it to go for any religious school or student (except for busing and meals so they won't starve or get run over, if they are too poor to do it otherwise). The latter is contrary to the Constitution, I think. The money going to for profit schools should go to education in community colleges, and to online versions of public colleges and universities, and secondary education. I suspect that there will be a sort of indoctrination from the for profit schools, at least a pro-unfettered capitalism indoctrination - why should my tax money go for that? I despise unfettered capitalism as much as I do rightwing religion, and they are mostly in cahoots.

Maybe the good for profit schools should just try to become regular non-profit universities, if they do a good job. Take a look at what Harkin and Durbin have uncovered about their methods.

You know I mostly agree with you also, to the extent thta I do not find it necessary to spend much time on an atheist forum because I know you are holding the fort for views very similar to my own, and doing it well. But now and then I check in to see if all is well.

I have been watching many cable channels recently, comparing news reporting and opinion. HLN reminds me of witch hunts. I would gladly give JA a knife and a gun and turn her loose in their studios, they are so bloodthirsty for the death penalty. The one for sure premeditated murder is the attempt of prosecutors to get a death penalty. I despise JM and all his flunkies and admirers, they remind me of the fox-hunting mentality - even if the fox did kill a chicken. or do you oppose the death penalty? I would assume that you do in most cases, since you substitute rational ethics for religious nonsense in matters of morals, I trust.
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Imhotep wrote:
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http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2012/07/...
Bishop Willard and his favorite planet: Kolub were totally unsatisfactory for leadership.
Romney wanted to run the country, keeps his money offshore to avoid taxes - Bain's business is to take advantage of other businesses - manipulate them for personal profit, then move onto the next victim.
Classic vulture capitalists
Congress for all practical purposes is a joke
we should pass three constitutional amendments that will go a long way toward fixing the core problems we now have. These include:
a) A constitutional amendment that fixes our broken electoral system by 1) completely removing campaign contributions from the political process; 2) requiring all elections to be publicly financed; 3) moving election day to the weekend to increase voter turnout; 4) making all Americans registered voters at the moment of their birth; 5) banning computerized voting and requiring that all elections take place on paper ballots; 6) term limits.
b) A constitutional amendment declaring that corporations are not people and do not have the constitutional rights of citizens. This amendment should also state that the interests of the general public and society must always come before the interests of corporations.
c) A constitutional amendment that will act as a "second bill of rights" as proposed by President Franklin D. Roosevelt: that every American has a human right to employment, to health care, to a free and full education, to breathe clean air, drink clean water and eat safe food, and to be cared for with dignity and respect in their old age.
I think I'm in love with you. Bravo. You are the only one I've seen who has sense enough to attach the inadequate term limits thing to all the other things that are required. A wonderful set of suggestions, well-phrased and well-motivated.
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Agnostics far out number atheists?
Agnosticism and atheism are compatible, and one can be both an atheist and an agnostic. I do not claim to know that there is no God, but I certainly do not believe in one.

I think a religious person can be agnostic too, if he or she openly says I do not know, but I believe.

I am rather annoyed at atheists who claim to know. The issue is their bragging about their knowledge, not the matter of a God or not. I do not think anyone knows - not about a God and not about a whole bunch of other things that people claim to know of similar cosmic nature.

I do feel that I know there cannot be an allgood and allpowerful God, but that is a visceral kind of knowledge, a revulsion against pain and suffering, that despises an intention to cause it, and thus despises the typical kind of God that punishes for the wrong reasons (a non-believer, a non-flatterer) or far in excess of what is deserved (even assuming free will, which I do not) such as hellfire for eternity.

Even people who do evil things are not as an evil as such a God.
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Lincoln wrote:
“Perhaps not one religion contains all of the truth of the world.
Perhaps every religion contains fragments of the truth, and it is our responsibility to identify those fragments and piece them together.”
&#8213; Christopher Paolini, Brisingr
All religions are fakes!
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Which is why I'm in favor of a limited capitalistic society-- one where there are strict limits on the excesses of capitalism.
Capitalism and war are twins!
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Which is why I'm in favor of a limited capitalistic society-- one where there are strict limits on the excesses of capitalism.
A nuclear Inferno knows no capitalist Limits any more. It means the end of humanity!
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Wat the Tyler wrote:
Religion will cease to exist sometime in the 21st century.
In the nuclear Age humanity may end too!
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You religious nuts are so funny sometimes.
Ask the victims of Fukushima if they find it funny?
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Which is why I'm in favor of a limited capitalistic society-- one where there are strict limits on the excesses of capitalism.
Unfortunately an atomar Inferno does not Limit capitalism but end the mankind.
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Lincoln wrote:
“Perhaps not one religion contains all of the truth of the world.
Perhaps every religion contains fragments of the truth, and it is our responsibility to identify those fragments and piece them together.”
&#8213; Christopher Paolini, Brisingr
All religions are fakes in the interest of the mighty and rich ones. But in cases of the coming atomar Inferno the end of mankind is visible!

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