Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

There are 23583 comments on the Psychology Today story from Apr 25, 2012, titled Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038. In it, Psychology Today reports that:

My blog posts on religion have attracted a lot of controversy. Religious people are annoyed by my claim that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Psychology Today.

Imhotep

United States

#15116 Apr 27, 2013
Henry wrote:
<quoted text>
Capitalism and war are twins!
Well Henry we're good it war.

We have fought a war roughly every 25 years since the inception of the country which was already @ war with the English king.

Take a look at this superb take rendered by George Carlin - rip

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch...
Lincoln

United States

#15117 Apr 27, 2013
continued .....
“Overt atheism, in other words, atheism that is professed as a way of life by some individuals — a manifesto of sorts –  was found to be a common component inherent to many people suffering from other forms of severe mental illness,” said Dr. Hans Zimmer MD PhD

“We started to notice that many of our experimental volunteers — those who were defiantly atheistic in their beliefs — were also suffering from various forms of dissociate disorders and social adaptation manias. This came as quite a shock to us as we studied patient after patient because for years we have been led to believe that religious zeal was often a patently obvious sign of mental illness, but in fact this is not the case.  Quite the contrary.

“The individuals we have  studied, especially those under the age of forty who actively participate in open debate about their own avowed atheism, or people who are very strident about their atheism are heavily prone to mental illness — and most of the illnesses are quite severe.  This was not a handful of subjects who were studied, mind you.  There were 17,809 people in the study.  It was a very large model as far as psychological experiments go.”
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Bromley, UK

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Lincoln

United States

#15119 Apr 27, 2013
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>Sure it did.:-)
<quoted text>Yes Lincoln. There is scientific evidence that publically stated non-belief in a sky-fairy is a mental illness.
As your posts illustrate - if either non-belief or religious faith is indicative of a mental illness, religious faith is what's irrational.
This "new information" you've found on the web isn't convincing.
thank you for responding to this post.
Your post is important to us
and will be answered in the order received
Lincoln

United States

#15120 Apr 27, 2013
Henry wrote:
<quoted text>
Germany is divided between East and West. Similarly between Israeli and Palestinians.
Sorry....
:-(

If you think this is similar
you may wish to open
a book on history.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#15121 Apr 27, 2013
EdSed wrote:
From:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-bri...
Quote:
The Humanist Society of Scotland has reported an increase in the number of ceremonies its celebrants are conducting, up to about 3,000 last year. It predicts they will become more popular than Church of Scotland weddings in as little as two years.
The same would be true elsewhere in the UK, the British Humanist Association (BHA) says, if only the ceremonies were legally recognised. That happened in Scotland in 2005, when there were fewer than 100 ceremonies, but the country is one of few in the world where non-religious weddings are allowed.
Unquote
Come-on England, Wales & NI, catch-up!
Caroline Lynch of Secular Scotland will discuss this on Radio Scotland tomorrow.(She is on the programme about 8:15 to 8:30am, I think).
Brilliant!

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#15122 Apr 27, 2013
He's a devout Christian who proselytizes non stop on here humiliating himself.

I have ignored him for a while as he never has anything to say.
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>Sure it did.:-)

Lincoln wrote, "
Originally the study was an obscure student investigation about the power of prayer over illness — a study which eventually showed that prayer had virtually no effect on the eventual outcome of a disease process — but something happened along the way in that study that pushed the study into another direction and into the hands of research physicians, clinicians, psychotherapists and various professionals in the field of social science.
“Overt atheism, in other words, atheism that is professed as a way of life by some individuals — a manifesto of sorts – was found to be a common component inherent to many people suffering from other forms of severe mental illness,” said Dr. Hans Zimmer MD PhD
"

Yes Lincoln. There is scientific evidence that publically stated non-belief in a sky-fairy is a mental illness.

As your posts illustrate - if either non-belief or religious faith is indicative of a mental illness, religious faith is what's irrational.

This "new information" you've found on the web isn't convincing.
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#15123 Apr 27, 2013
EJ wrote:
That is the problem. Here in this country, all religions are supposed to be equally separated from the state.
Ans.

"All" religions are not "equally" separated from the state.

This is a general claim which is made, but the roots of religion are so deeply inside the psyche of humans, that no one can totally erase it.

Communists did their best to erase it in USSR for more than 70 years, but once the "pressure" was removed, the people went back to their religions.

So there is not "total separation" from state and religion in any society. Irrespective of what they claim.

And not 'all" religions are treated as same. There is Islam which is marked for criticism and negative propaganda in most western countries.

And the media in most of these countries is in the grip of a very small minority group.
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#15124 Apr 27, 2013
FS wrote:
Well, there is nothing contradictory in my statements.
"Physical laws do not change".
"There is no creator of them"

Physical laws are not subjected to any caprice. Why do you think these laws will change if there were no creator? Do these laws have minds and are subjected to some whims that they will change on their own?

You are basically assuming that this universe is a paradigm of perfection and its existence proves " super clever God's existence". You should explain why do you feel so.

Well, if there had been ultra intelligent creator he would have planned better.
We cannot breath in water when most of the earth's surface is covered by water.
We do not have natural resources growing at required rate meeting the growing needs of growing population.
Seriously think if your God is a good planner and very "merciful" to human race.

Coming back to the physical laws.
Their very stability shows that they are not controlled by any supernatural entity and are not facing any interference or intervention. If these laws were keep on changing it would loosely prove that they are being interfered by some unknown entity/forces.

Secondly, why do you think physical laws must have been created?


PS:I give my explanation to my viewpoints even though they are purely based on my own reasoning. You, on other hand, have not even made an attempt to explain that why do you feel physical laws are created by God.
Ans.

Another thing which I notice is that you come back to square one, when we have already covered that.

It was discussed and I told you that God has no beginning, and gave you arguments about them, but again you make the same statements.

Then you say Physical laws had no beginning, how can this be true, when this Universe had a Beginning?

These laws were Created when the Universe was created. And this Universe cannot be created and function, unless a Super Intelligent Creator, Knows everything and has Power to do what He wants and Wills and there is No One to stop Him from doing what He wishes.

This is the Creator for you.

And you ridicule that "water cycle" designed by Creator is "faulty", you "design and implement" a scheme to provide water to every living creature on this earth.

Why whole earth, just do it for your city and ensure every living thing gets drinking water to survive.

It is very easy to criticise the design of others, especially for those, who have "Not Created" any thing.

If the laws were not created, then how come they came into existence? Why the force of Gravity should decrease by the Square root of the distance between the two objects, why not cube, why not raise to the power four?

The same is true about every law, they were fixed and they are followed everywhere in the Universe.

The matter "did not decide" to follow these laws, they were "mode to follow" them.!!

Why only Physical laws, I have given reasoning that EVERYTHING is Created by God, because things do not create themselves and they cannot be created by "mere chance"!!

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#15125 Apr 27, 2013
This was in no way shape or form asked of you or discussed here. Why must you mindlessly spam blast the board?

Are you unable to have civil discussion Muq?
MUQ wrote:
Ans.

"All" religions are not "equally" separated from the state.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#15126 Apr 27, 2013
No atheist not scientist has ever claimed life happened or evolved by mere chance spam Muq.

Instead they give solid observable reasons why and how the natural processes work.

But that is difficult to debate when you are a sub human behaving poorly educated beast like many Muslims are yes Muq?

“The holy experience”

Since: Mar 12

Mumbai, India

#15127 Apr 27, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
Another thing which I notice is that you come back to square one, when we have already covered that.
It was discussed and I told you that God has no beginning, and gave you arguments about them, but again you make the same statements.
Then you say Physical laws had no beginning, how can this be true, when this Universe had a Beginning?
These laws were Created when the Universe was created. And this Universe cannot be created and function, unless a Super Intelligent Creator, Knows everything and has Power to do what He wants and Wills and there is No One to stop Him from doing what He wishes.
This is the Creator for you.
And you ridicule that "water cycle" designed by Creator is "faulty", you "design and implement" a scheme to provide water to every living creature on this earth.
Why whole earth, just do it for your city and ensure every living thing gets drinking water to survive.
It is very easy to criticise the design of others, especially for those, who have "Not Created" any thing.
If the laws were not created, then how come they came into existence? Why the force of Gravity should decrease by the Square root of the distance between the two objects, why not cube, why not raise to the power four?
The same is true about every law, they were fixed and they are followed everywhere in the Universe.
I dragged the discussion back to square one because you haven't given any plausible arguments.Rather you have tried to evade my posts either by not answering or giving some insipid explanations that don't make any sense.
When you say God had no beginning you have to explain it why you believe so.Show me where you had given explanation why God hadn't had beginning except for the ridicule logic that"God is not a thing."Whatever you assume him to be,you have to explain how that "not a thing" had had no beginning and came out of nothing.If you do not know that means you are blindly believing in God.
If it was that simple as you said,seriously there would be no atheist in the world and everyone would unanimously agree the God's existence.If God came out of nothing,why can't be the same for physical laws?.But the problem is we atheists/agnostics ask for explanations and you theists come up with which you theist evade of.We don't believe in God because we ask for evidences and we couldn't get it so far.
As far as physical laws are concerned,science has no answer yet as to how they came into existence and there is some popular theories and notions from different scientists but none has been accepted by majority .
Stephen Hawking believes that universe and physical laws might have been come out of nothing.At least,Stephen Hawking(an atheist) took a scientific approach to explain the existence of physical laws.But do you theists have any scientific explanation for the same as well as your God?The answer is no.We can't be a lemming of a "non-answering" religions.
If gravity decreases by square root of distance between objects,does it mean it proves God?I already told you that physical laws rigidity doesn't prove the existence of God.If that is true(I believe so),then religions are false(including yours) because you have a contradictory belief that your prophets performed miracles defying physical laws.You can either believe in rigidity of physical laws or their acclivity towards change but not both simultaneously.
I criticized your God's plan because of your belief that contradicts facts.
You say that God is omnipotent.On the other hand,he couldn't even make a "perfect earth" for human beings and other living things.Everything we do for our comfort ends up against nature either in the form of global warming or other menace.So if you call this universe a "perfection" then he is not merciful enough to us since he hadn't even created a "perfect earth" where human beings can live with comforts without going against nature.Everything we do for do proves to be detrimental in some or the other way

“The holy experience”

Since: Mar 12

Mumbai, India

#15128 Apr 27, 2013
Correction:
Everything we do for our comforts proves to be detrimental in some or the other way.

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#15129 Apr 27, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
He's a devout Christian who proselytizes non stop on here humiliating himself.
I have ignored him for a while as he never has anything to say.
<quoted text>
Absolutely!

I stopped responding to him for the very same reason.

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#15130 Apr 28, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
"All" religions are not "equally" separated from the state.
This is a general claim which is made, but the roots of religion are so deeply inside the psyche of humans, that no one can totally erase it.
Communists did their best to erase it in USSR for more than 70 years, but once the "pressure" was removed, the people went back to their religions.
So there is not "total separation" from state and religion in any society. Irrespective of what they claim.
And not 'all" religions are treated as same. There is Islam which is marked for criticism and negative propaganda in most western countries.
And the media in most of these countries is in the grip of a very small minority group.
Yet you refuse to comment on:-

I guess you must have stoned a girl to death.

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#15131 Apr 28, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
Another thing which I notice is that you come back to square one, when we have already covered that.
It was discussed and I told you that God has no beginning, and gave you arguments about them, but again you make the same statements.
Then you say Physical laws had no beginning, how can this be true, when this Universe had a Beginning?
These laws were Created when the Universe was created. And this Universe cannot be created and function, unless a Super Intelligent Creator, Knows everything and has Power to do what He wants and Wills and there is No One to stop Him from doing what He wishes.
This is the Creator for you.
And you ridicule that "water cycle" designed by Creator is "faulty", you "design and implement" a scheme to provide water to every living creature on this earth.
Why whole earth, just do it for your city and ensure every living thing gets drinking water to survive.
It is very easy to criticise the design of others, especially for those, who have "Not Created" any thing.
If the laws were not created, then how come they came into existence? Why the force of Gravity should decrease by the Square root of the distance between the two objects, why not cube, why not raise to the power four?
The same is true about every law, they were fixed and they are followed everywhere in the Universe.
The matter "did not decide" to follow these laws, they were "mode to follow" them.!!
Why only Physical laws, I have given reasoning that EVERYTHING is Created by God, because things do not create themselves and they cannot be created by "mere chance"!!
You refuse to comment on:-

I guess you must have stoned a girl to death.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#15132 Apr 28, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry....
:-(
If you think this is similar
you may wish to open
a book on history.
Full of sh*t, defeated theist troll with no proof of god.
Henry

Bad Langensalza, Germany

#15133 Apr 28, 2013
Wat the Tyler wrote:
Religion will cease to exist sometime in the 21st century.
When will capitalism cease?
Henry

Bad Langensalza, Germany

#15134 Apr 28, 2013
michael godwills wrote:
<quoted text>
humanity can not survive with capitalism, and since successful communism is a merely but a dream mankind needs some form of social liberty
Socialism and communism are a stringent necessity in order to survive humanity!
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#15135 Apr 28, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
He's a devout Christian who proselytizes non stop on here humiliating himself.
I have ignored him for a while as he never has anything to say.
<quoted text>
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>
Absolutely!
I stopped responding to [Lincoln] for the very same reason.
I’ll talk to anyone :-)

Lincoln seems to me a typical ‘person of faith’, uninterested in following the evidence, only in the evidence that supports his personal intuition. I don’t expect him to alter his opinion based on reason and evidence and doubt he could. My purpose is to show that atheists are rational and thoughtful.

Christian fundamentalists spend a fortune pushing their theology and the unsupportable belief in an interventionist god or creator; or a ‘He’ who can be understood or prayed to. Lincoln’s piece may come from sites such as those that ‘prove’ the Moon landing was faked. his most recent offering is mentioned on sites like this...
http://thedamienzone.com/2012/08/17/atheism-a...
(Lincoln offers no link and I can find nothing googling things like,“Dr. Hans Zimmermann MD PhD bio”)

It appears Lincoln attends Atheist threads simply to try to annoy atheists. It seems more to do with him than with us.

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