Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

There are 23584 comments on the Psychology Today story from Apr 25, 2012, titled Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038. In it, Psychology Today reports that:

My blog posts on religion have attracted a lot of controversy. Religious people are annoyed by my claim that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

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EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#15094 Apr 27, 2013
From:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-bri...
Quote:
The Humanist Society of Scotland has reported an increase in the number of ceremonies its celebrants are conducting, up to about 3,000 last year. It predicts they will become more popular than Church of Scotland weddings in as little as two years.

The same would be true elsewhere in the UK, the British Humanist Association (BHA) says, if only the ceremonies were legally recognised. That happened in Scotland in 2005, when there were fewer than 100 ceremonies, but the country is one of few in the world where non-religious weddings are allowed.
Unquote
Come-on England, Wales & NI, catch-up!

Caroline Lynch of Secular Scotland will discuss this on Radio Scotland tomorrow.(She is on the programme about 8:15 to 8:30am, I think).
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#15095 Apr 27, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
...
You should know that in Islam there is no separation between Secular and religious duties. Ruler of state is also responsible to see that Islamic system is enforce on ground....
Islamism is just like Zionism - sectarian and tribal.

Religion = superstition

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#15096 Apr 27, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
First quality of a sincere person is to say I do not know or I have no information about it.
But I see this quality is missing in you, you just make outstanding, blandish claims, without having any knowledge about the issue.
You said that "Physical laws, did not evolve, they did not change, they are same over the ages, since the creation of this Universe".
Then you said "I do not see God having any hand in creation of these Physical laws?
Are not these two statements contradicting each other?
If these laws were not made, then did the "created themselves" or 'Just came there by chance"?
Your explanation of how these laws came about is not based on any knowledge or any reasoning.
On the other hand, presence of these laws and their Not Changing behavior over ages is very "Strong Proof" of a Very Sold "Planning, Design, Wisdom, Knowledge of a Very Powerful Creator".
That is why I said, if you only observe this Universe and how it works, it would lead you to God, provided you do not bias your mind against Him.
And side by side all the "models" which other religions have proposed for their gods, shall melt away and you will see the Islamic Version of God as the Only one which solves all your problems, and that is the one which will lead you to truth.
Summary:
Your "assumption" that these Laws were not created, but just came "naturally" is very faulty.
And you did not bring any proofs for it.
The argument that these laws are created by God in the very starting of the Universe, speak of not only His presence, but His Wisdom, Knowledge, Power and Mercy etc.
Still no word from you about:-


I guess you must have stoned a girl to death.
Philagain

Newcastle Upon Tyne, UK

#15097 Apr 27, 2013
Muslims are dirty bastards, there is no Allah only death.

Take cock on a Saturday morning guys, I prefer a Sunday morning myself, after a Saturday night shenanigans that is !!, I like to lie there on the bed ,have breakfast, read the paper and cup my balls in my hands, then I usually toss Doug off if he is still in bed!

I just love Sunday mornings, but mostly Saturday nights!!xx

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#15098 Apr 27, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
01. Every one can make any claim which they want. You do not have to accept or reject all these claims at face value.
Ask them to bring the proofs of what they believe and then analyze them, if you use your Brain, you will find out the truth.
How come people in Jeddah now believe in Islam when 1400 years ago, their parents did not know about Islam? Did they not make switch over?
How come most of Europe is Christian, why they changed their religion of their original forefathers?
02. If that Alien Spacecraft Pilot is as close minded as you are, he may think the same. But if he asks the question from different groups, he will know who is speaking the truth.
03. This could be your idea that Creator should "inplant the true info" into each and every individual.
This could be your way of doing it, but do you think it is possible?
04. We do not have an "invisible, silent and in active Creator…" He is not Invisible and He is not inactive. Without His presence and control, this Universe cannot function even for a Microsecond.
He has given humans freedom of Choice and this life is a test. The results shall be known in the hereafter.
If you want to gamble with you life, I cannot help you.
The loss shall be yours and not mine.
Still no word from you about:-


I guess you must have stoned a girl to death.

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#15099 Apr 27, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
01. Please tell the "Qualities" of the Creator of the Universe, which your observations "reveal".
Then we will see how the concept of God which we worship tallies and surpasses all that which your observations tell you.
02. So you thing eating Pork is all that religion is about?
03. Do you know what is Ism? To call Islam as ism, shows only your ignorance.
04. I am living for many years in Saudi Arabia, and I have not seen any one being jailed for not going to prayers.
The people who do not close down their shops in market at prayer times, might face some penalty for violation of local laws.
You should know that in Islam there is no separation between Secular and religious duties. Ruler of state is also responsible to see that Islamic system is enforce on ground.
And if you think, every one is so reasonable to follow laws and rules, why you have Traffic Police and Normal Police in your countries?
Why do you not leave it to "good sense" of citizens to follow these "Most reasonable laws"
The truth is you protect which you consider is of value. There is no value of religion in your countries, so you do not care a damn about it.
In Islam it is different.
Still no word from you about:-


I guess you must have stoned a girl to death.

“The holy experience”

Since: Mar 12

Mumbai, India

#15101 Apr 27, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
First quality of a sincere person is to say I do not know or I have no information about it.
But I see this quality is missing in you, you just make outstanding, blandish claims, without having any knowledge about the issue.
You said that "Physical laws, did not evolve, they did not change, they are same over the ages, since the creation of this Universe".
Then you said "I do not see God having any hand in creation of these Physical laws?
Are not these two statements contradicting each other?
If these laws were not made, then did the "created themselves" or 'Just came there by chance"?
Your explanation of how these laws came about is not based on any knowledge or any reasoning.
On the other hand, presence of these laws and their Not Changing behavior over ages is very "Strong Proof" of a Very Sold "Planning, Design, Wisdom, Knowledge of a Very Powerful Creator".
That is why I said, if you only observe this Universe and how it works, it would lead you to God, provided you do not bias your mind against Him.
And side by side all the "models" which other religions have proposed for their gods, shall melt away and you will see the Islamic Version of God as the Only one which solves all your problems, and that is the one which will lead you to truth.
My post was based on my own reasoning and perception and was absolutely unbiased.I already told you that if you feel there is any flaw in my statements you should explain for the same rather than coming up with complaints and calling me a "hypocrite".
Well,there is nothing contradictory in my statements.
"Physical laws do not change".
"There is no creator of them"
How these two statements cancel each other?Please explain.Your statements seriously lacks reasoning.
Physical laws are not subjected to any caprice.Why do you think these laws will change if there were no creator?Do these laws have minds and are subjected to some whims that they will change on their own?
You are basically assuming that this universe is a paradigm of perfection and its existence proves " super clever God's existence".You should explain why do you feel so.
Well,if there had been ultra intelligent creator he would have planned better.
We cannot breath in water when most of the earth's surface is covered by water.
We do not have natural resources growing at required rate meeting the growing needs of growing population.
Seriously think if your God is a good planner and very "merciful" to human race.
Coming back to the physical laws.
Their very stability shows that they are not controlled by any supernatural entity and are not facing any interference or intervention.If these laws were keep on changing it would loosely prove that they are being interfered by some unknown entity/forces.
Secondly,why do you think physical laws must have been created?
Nevertheless your agreement on rigidity of physical laws,you believe in miracles like "splitting of moon" by Muhammad which are absolutely against natural laws.MUQ,again I am repeating.Physical laws are not created since they do not even seem to be created out of a mind.They are not palpable.They are just existing abstract facts.When I asked you why your God has no beginning;you had simply answered that it is illogical to say God had beginning.Like you said that God is not a "thing" to have a beginning,I can say the same for the physical laws since they are "abstracts" just like your dear egotistical God.And these abstracts are just associated with our minds.
PS:I give my explanation to my viewpoints even though they are purely based on my own reasoning.You,on other hand,have not even made an attempt to explain that why do you feel physical laws are created by God.
Henry

Bad Langensalza, Germany

#15102 Apr 27, 2013
havent forgotten wrote:
oh how I wish it were true that the worst sorts of religion would fade out. I am not that optimistic. I would settle for just getting rid of the evil aspects of religion. the ones that are harmless. i have Christian friends who have gotten rid of some of the worst parts, I think, in their views.
In capitalism war is always on the agenda. In the nuclear age this means the possible extermination of mankind.
Henry

Bad Langensalza, Germany

#15103 Apr 27, 2013
greymouser wrote:
<quoted text>
Where did god create all this stuff from?
and who created god?
mysterious ways?
Secrete workshops (irony)!
Henry

Bad Langensalza, Germany

#15104 Apr 27, 2013
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>I thought our stats professor Nightserf would like to be aware of that misleading screwbarb. Even the CofE cannot be trusted. Who'd have guessed?:-)
I don't know if this article is of any interest in the USA, but the New Humanist has some interesting comments on topical debates...
http://thenewhumanism.org/authors/paul-chiari...
The USA is much retarded as far as generally science is concerned. Especially the socalled bible belt is always religiously a backward region!
Henry

Bad Langensalza, Germany

#15105 Apr 27, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
I am not going to your "unsolicited" words as authority or proof for such an important issue.
You only show your ignorance and haughty nature by making such "childish statements"
How about come my "ignorance and haughty nature"??
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#15106 Apr 27, 2013
Henry wrote:
<quoted text>
The USA is much retarded as far as generally science is concerned. Especially the socalled bible belt is always religiously a backward region!
At least the USA didn't deteriorate to the extent East Germany did before capitalism, W German fellowship, money and goodwill allowed it to recover.

The world certainly needs a united and strong Germany. Perhaps we can at least agree on that, but we're wildly off-topic again Henry.(Try and concentrate pal :-)
Henry

Bad Langensalza, Germany

#15107 Apr 27, 2013
Carchar king wrote:
How did earth get created without a God, dust CANNOT!!!! create itself, rocks cannot create itself and chemicals cannot create itself to create earth. That's perfect evidence, and I'll like to see you disprove it.
Science has done very much to clear the reality of our being and it will do so in the future. But only when nature has no cosmic calamity in it for the human being!
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#15109 Apr 27, 2013
DavidQuinn wrote:
I wish this were true, Religion is divisive and restricts us as a species, simple as that. Check out a book that's causing a bit of a buzz in the Uk called 2082 the chronicles of hope. On the website the 1st chapter for the 1st book is on there for free, there's a speech in there by an atheist politician that's genius!
Interesting. Thanks for that
http://thechroniclesofhope.com/blog/
Lincoln

United States

#15110 Apr 27, 2013
New information from a 12-year old study at a German University has many psychiatrists and psychologists throughout the world wondering if atheism is a sign or warning of a more serious mental illness already present or in the process of developing.  Doctors are searching for a gene that might cause a correlation between serious mental illness and what they are calling “overt atheism.”

For the time being psychiatrists and research psychologists in Germany and Switzerland are calling this medical anomaly,“The Misfit Syndrome.”
Doctors at the University in Hamburg have been investigating the connection between religious beliefs and overall mental health and the results of the study have unnerved even the most stoic scientists, physicians and researchers.

Originally the study was an obscure student investigation about the power of prayer over illness — a study which eventually showed that prayer had virtually no effect on the eventual outcome of a disease process — but something happened along the way in that study that pushed the study into another direction and into the hands of research physicians, clinicians, psychotherapists and various professionals in the field of social science.

“Overt atheism, in other words, atheism that is professed as a way of life by some individuals — a manifesto of sorts –  was found to be a common component inherent to many people suffering from other forms of severe mental illness,” said Dr. Hans Zimmer MD PhD
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#15111 Apr 27, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
New information from a 12-year old study at a German University has many psychiatrists and psychologists throughout the world wondering if atheism is a sign or warning of a more serious mental illness already present or in the process of developing.  Doctors are searching for a gene that might cause a correlation between serious mental illness and what they are calling “overt atheism.”
For the time being psychiatrists and research psychologists in Germany and Switzerland are calling this medical anomaly,“The Misfit Syndrome.”
Doctors at the University in Hamburg have been investigating the connection between religious beliefs and overall mental health and the results of the study have unnerved even the most stoic scientists, physicians and researchers.
Sure it did.:-)
Lincoln wrote:
Originally the study was an obscure student investigation about the power of prayer over illness — a study which eventually showed that prayer had virtually no effect on the eventual outcome of a disease process — but something happened along the way in that study that pushed the study into another direction and into the hands of research physicians, clinicians, psychotherapists and various professionals in the field of social science.
“Overt atheism, in other words, atheism that is professed as a way of life by some individuals — a manifesto of sorts –  was found to be a common component inherent to many people suffering from other forms of severe mental illness,” said Dr. Hans Zimmer MD PhD
Yes Lincoln. There is scientific evidence that publically stated non-belief in a sky-fairy is a mental illness.

As your posts illustrate - if either non-belief or religious faith is indicative of a mental illness, religious faith is what's irrational.

This "new information" you've found on the web isn't convincing.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#15112 Apr 27, 2013
A bit off-topic (& be wary of statistics), but some might find this quite interesting...
http://www.people-press.org/2013/04/22/public...
michael godwills

Brampton, Canada

#15113 Apr 27, 2013
Clint wrote:
<quoted text>Capitalism is the only hope humanity has to survive and flourish.
humanity can not survive with capitalism, and since successful communism is a merely but a dream mankind needs some form of social liberty
Henry

Bad Langensalza, Germany

#15114 Apr 27, 2013
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>At least the USA didn't deteriorate to the extent East Germany did before capitalism, W German fellowship, money and goodwill allowed it to recover.
The world certainly needs a united and strong Germany. Perhaps we can at least agree on that, but we're wildly off-topic again Henry.(Try and concentrate pal :-)
Germany is divided between East and West. Similarly between Israeli and Palestinians.
Henry

Bad Langensalza, Germany

#15115 Apr 27, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't believe they were atheists most of them were Deists and Mason's. Thomas Paine could be the exception, But he was not a founding father.
“Of all the systems of religion that ever were invented, there is no more derogatory to the Almighty, more unedifying to man, more repugnant to reason, and more contradictory to itself than this thing called Christianity”
“That God cannot lie, is no advantage to your argument, because it is no proof that priests can not, or that the Bible does not”
“There are matters in the Bible, said to be done by the express commandment of God, that are shocking to humanity and to every idea we have of moral justice”
“The whole religious complexion of the modern world is due to the absence from Jerusalem of a lunatic asylum.”
“Is it not a species of blasphemy to call the New Testament revealed religion, when we see in it such contradictions and absurdities”
Thomas Paine
Peace on earth?
Not as long as organized religion exists.
Capitalism and war are twins!

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