Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

There are 24182 comments on the Psychology Today story from Apr 25, 2012, titled Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038. In it, Psychology Today reports that:

My blog posts on religion have attracted a lot of controversy. Religious people are annoyed by my claim that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

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“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#14276 Mar 24, 2013
From a discussion in the early 20th century between Dirac, Heisenberg, Pauli and Bohr...

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"I don’t know why we are talking about religion," [Dirac] objected. "If we are honest—and scientists have to be—we must admit that religion is a jumble of false assertions, with no basis in reality. The very idea of God is a product of the human imagination. It is quite understandable why primitive people, who were so much more exposed to the overpowering forces of nature than we are today, should have personified these forces in fear and trembling. But nowadays, when we understand so many natural processes, we have no need for such solutions. I can’t for the life of me see how the postulate of an Almighty God helps us in any way. What I do see is that this assumption leads to such unproductive questions as why God allows so much misery and injustice, the exploitation of the poor by the rich and all the other horrors He might have prevented. If religion is still being taught, it is by no means because its ideas still convince us, but simply because some of us want to keep the lower classes quiet. Quiet people are much easier to govern than clamorous and dissatisfied ones. They are also much easier to exploit. Religion is a kind of opium that allows a nation to lull itself into wishful dreams and so forget the injustices that are being perpetrated against the people. Hence the close alliance between those two great political forces, the State and the Church. Both need the illusion that a kindly God rewards—in heaven if not on earth—all those who have not risen up against injustice, who have done their duty quietly and uncomplainingly. That is precisely why the honest assertion that God is a mere product of the human imagination is branded as the worst of all mortal sins."
…
"I dislike religious myths on principle," Dirac replied, "if only because the myths of the different religions contradict one another. After all, it was purely by chance that I was born in Europe and not in Asia, and that is surely no criterion for judging what is true or what I ought to believe. And I can only believe what is true. As for right action, I can deduce it by reason alone from the situation in which I find myself: I live in society with others, to whom, in principle, I must grant the same rights I claim for myself. I must simply try to strike a fair balance; no more can be asked of me. All this talk about God’s will, about sin and repentance, about a world beyond by which we must direct our lives, only serves to disguise the sober truth. Belief in God merely encourages us to think that God wills us to submit to a higher force, and it is this idea which helps to preserve social structures that may have been perfectly good in their day but no longer fit the modern world. All your talk of a wider context and the like strikes me as quite unacceptable. Life, when all is said and done, is just like science: we come up against difficulties and have to solve them. And we can never solve more than one difficulty at a time; your wider context is nothing but a mental superstructure added a posteriori."

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-- Paul Dirac

“Right click Left click Yay!”

Since: Dec 10

Nehwon

#14277 Mar 24, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
Khatru:
"Atheists believe there are no gods."
Bingo!!
A positive belief!!
As in Religion!
A positive assertion in a belief put the burden of proof on "you" that there is no gods!
This is a perfect example of an Atheist that DOES believe there is no God.
Not an atheist that has an absence of all believe.
Merriam-Webster
athe·ist\ˈā-thē-ist\
noun
: one who believes that there is no deity
Point proven!
To easy.
LOL
And here we see word games in play...

Notice how the poster twists a positive negative claim. The negative claim is poorly worded but that's all that's needed to wrench the discussion away from the positive claim - there is a god.

Is this supposed to be proof that god does exist?

The burden of proof is upon those who claim that god exists.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#14278 Mar 24, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
Must have. Or he just left.
I guess he just got bored with all those cut and paste jobs he made supporting the strength and success of the scientific method.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#14279 Mar 24, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
You making rules for for me again?
Nope.

You're free to make up your own and you know what?

We won't condemn you to an eternity of suffering for doing so.

There. Aren't we good?

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#14280 Mar 25, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
<quoted text>
As science is silent on atheism the frustration leads to name calling.
"...an absence.." of logic
Liars are much more apt to cause me to sound off, than any fictional god ever will be. It's my own fault though, I have chosen not to have any truck with a liar. I detest liars, I keep them out of my life, and I have no problem saying aloud that you are a liar, and therefore dispicable for reason alone. A liar is much more repulsive than any silly dogma.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#14281 Mar 25, 2013
correction to the above post ^^

I have no problem saying aloud that you are a liar, and therefore dispicable for that reason alone.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#14282 Mar 25, 2013
Siro wrote:
<quoted text>
Then tell me why
Siro wrote: Then tell me why there is an atheism board on Topix?
Reason Personified wrote: I don't know, I didn't set it up, but I'd hazard a guess that controversy sells better than the current religious apathy that the church is dieing from.

Siro wrote: If you believe in 'nothing' why have a board to discuss it?
Reason Personified wrote: I believe in many things, and if you need to know anymore, than this forum is bait for religitards to get schooled, then ask a topix admin.

Siro wrote: How do you have an intellectual and rational discussion about nothing or non existence?
Reason Personified wrote: Intellectual and or rational; discussion is not something you would recognize, so we are reduced to endlessly attempting to educate you. Atheist is simply not theist, and it is you who is,(not us) making a big deal about it, and trying to expand it to cover what you need it to be.

Siro wrote: Is Club Maltheist big fans of the Seinfeld show which is about 'nothing'?
Reason Personified wrote: I don't know, maybe you should ask a theist, a bad one. LOL!

Siro wrote: All you Topix atheists of Club Maltheist do is whine about God, if you did not then you would have nothing to post about.
Reason Personified wrote: That is not accurate at all, but then you would be the last to know. That your silly theist club might be packed full of atheist, would imply that they are all probably clergy who are fearful of gainful employment. Once the religitard leaders actually read the holy books they quickly become atheist, but leaving a situation where the money doesn't have to be earned, plus power and prestige are heady flowers too, they choose to keep leading you lot by the nose.

Siro wrote: You declare yourself to be an atheist or 'without God', that is your choice but you recognise something that you want no association with.
Reason Personified wrote: You are really insistent about proclaiming what I claim myself to be, but if you had my input, you might get some of it right. I am atheist, as in "not theist". I am also non-believer, as in not deluded by any myth-god tales. I have no qualms about interacting with the religitard faction, for everyone of the posts like yours, which are filled with lies and hatred, gives me and others like me a chance to open the dirty book and point out the filth. It's too late for you, but there are lurkers who have doubts, and it is for them, that I post.

Siro wrote: You could call yourself 'non-theist'(or non-deist) which Buddhists and Jains are...but you hate them too.
Reason Personified wrote: You are lying again. I do not hate those whom I do not know, and I do not hate without just cause.

Siro wrote: You declare yourself atheist in the same manner as someone who declares themselves divorced....because you hold a obsessive resentment of the family you were once part of.
Reason Personified wrote: I declare myself atheist in the manner of one who is not besotted with theism. My family members were the first to be told of my questioning of the holy book's contents, I sought guidance from them. My parents and grandparents were the first to know that I was a non-believer. My former church was for decades, after I became a non-believer still a part of my life, because of my family. Is there any more filth that you need to try and smear me with?

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#14283 Mar 25, 2013
denise wrote:
<quoted text>
satan has all of you blinded to truth God is real eternity is real heaven and hell are real if God didnt exist nothing would open ure eyes hes the creator
He was whooped by the iron chariot, and he will make you eat your children, besides that being some mega crappy choice in a god, as a scare tactic it is wasted effort on your part. We are happy to keep away from such idiocy, and not at all fearfull. Besides most of us own our own iron chariots. So tell your god, we said "Vroooom, vrooooom!"
Siro

Australia

#14284 Mar 25, 2013
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>Siro wrote: Then tell me why there is an atheism board on Topix?
Reason Personified wrote: I don't know, I didn't set it up, but I'd hazard a guess that controversy sells better than the current religious apathy that the church is dieing from.
Why do you refer to yourself in the 3rd person?
I am convinced you are a Seinfeld fanatic, you are 'Jimmy' who tried to pick up 'Elaine'
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>
Siro wrote: If you believe in 'nothing' why have a board to discuss it?
Reason Personified wrote: I believe in many things, and if you need to know anymore, than this forum is bait for religitards to get schooled, then ask a topix admin.
The only belief you have demonstrated so far is a hatred of God.
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>
Siro wrote: How do you have an intellectual and rational discussion about nothing or non existence?
Reason Personified wrote: Intellectual and or rational; discussion is not something you would recognize, so we are reduced to endlessly attempting to educate you. Atheist is simply not theist, and it is you who is,(not us) making a big deal about it, and trying to expand it to cover what you need it to be.
Educate me? More like hopelessly failing in trying to indoctrinate me and everyone else for that matter. You cannot educate people into 'nothing'.....unless youre a nihilist of some sort.
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>
Siro wrote: Is Club Maltheist big fans of the Seinfeld show which is about 'nothing'?
Reason Personified wrote: I don't know, maybe you should ask a theist, a bad one. LOL!
OK....so whats the answer?
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>
Siro wrote: All you Topix atheists of Club Maltheist do is whine about God, if you did not then you would have nothing to post about.
Reason Personified wrote: That is not accurate at all, but then you would be the last to know. That your silly theist club might be packed full of atheist, would imply that they are all probably clergy who are fearful of gainful employment. Once the religitard leaders actually read the holy books they quickly become atheist, but leaving a situation where the money doesn't have to be earned, plus power and prestige are heady flowers too, they choose to keep leading you lot by the nose.
What? In the same way dawkins and co. live off government grants and donations from stooges like you?
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>
Siro wrote: You declare yourself to be an atheist or 'without God', that is your choice but you recognise something that you want no association with.
Reason Personified wrote: You are really insistent about proclaiming what I claim myself to be, but if you had my input, you might get some of it right. I am atheist, as in "not theist". I am also non-believer, as in not deluded by any myth-god tales. I have no qualms about interacting with the religitard faction, for everyone of the posts like yours, which are filled with lies and hatred, gives me and others like me a chance to open the dirty book and point out the filth. It's too late for you, but there are lurkers who have doubts, and it is for them, that I post.
You proclaim yourself as being 'not theist' then add you are a 'non-believer' as if these 2 terms were exclusive from each other.
Maybe in your mind they are........
Siro

Australia

#14285 Mar 25, 2013
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>
Siro wrote: You could call yourself 'non-theist'(or non-deist) which Buddhists and Jains are...but you hate them too.
Reason Personified wrote: You are lying again. I do not hate those whom I do not know, and I do not hate without just cause.
And yet you whine about clergy who you do not know, if a minister or anyone is mentioned by the Topix atheist peoples socialist democratic groupthink collective as an enemy you roll with your fellow maltheists without question.
You probably go to soup kitchens to get a free meal and then spit on the nuns who served it up to you.
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>
Siro wrote: You declare yourself atheist in the same manner as someone who declares themselves divorced....because you hold a obsessive resentment of the family you were once part of.
Reason Personified wrote: I declare myself atheist in the manner of one who is not besotted with theism. My family members were the first to be told of my questioning of the holy book's contents, I sought guidance from them. My parents and grandparents were the first to know that I was a non-believer. My former church was for decades, after I became a non-believer still a part of my life, because of my family. Is there any more filth that you need to try and smear me with?
No, I dont have to smear you because you are doing a good job smearing yourself.
I suppose that your actions are 'pre-emptive stupidity'
.
A final word.....
I can honestly state that I have never encountered anyone of your level of intelligence, everyone else I know possess I.Q.s above zero.
Thinking

Barnsley, UK

#14286 Mar 25, 2013
So, now you've outed yourself as just another homophobic religitard you want to change your writing style.

You're still a fuckwit.
Siro wrote:
<quoted text>
Why do you refer to yourself in the 3rd person?
I am convinced you are a Seinfeld fanatic, you are 'Jimmy' who tried to pick up 'Elaine'
<quoted text>
The only belief you have demonstrated so far is a hatred of God.
<quoted text>
Educate me? More like hopelessly failing in trying to indoctrinate me and everyone else for that matter. You cannot educate people into 'nothing'.....unless youre a nihilist of some sort.
<quoted text>
OK....so whats the answer?
<quoted text>
What? In the same way dawkins and co. live off government grants and donations from stooges like you?
<quoted text>
You proclaim yourself as being 'not theist' then add you are a 'non-believer' as if these 2 terms were exclusive from each other.
Maybe in your mind they are........
Siro

Australia

#14287 Mar 25, 2013
Thinking wrote:
So, now you've outed yourself as just another homophobic religitard you want to change your writing style.
You're still a fuckwit.
<quoted text>
Go away you non entity, go peddle your chicken little hysteria somewhere else.
You = Fail
Thinking

Barnsley, UK

#14288 Mar 25, 2013
As I'm posting, I'm no non entity, but you pray to one all the time.
Siro wrote:
<quoted text>
Go away you non entity, go peddle your chicken little hysteria somewhere else.
You = Fail
Siro

Australia

#14289 Mar 25, 2013
Thinking wrote:
As I'm posting, I'm no non entity, but you pray to one all the time.
<quoted text>
Woohoo....so youre going up the ranks in terms of becoming a Topix atheism celebrity.
So does Boob of QF respond directly to you yet?
Are you aspiring to be like him?
Doesnt matter, youre a boob anyway.

As for me praying to a 'non-entity' well we will find out if youre right or not eventually.
All I can say is that it will suck to be you, but it sucks to be you on any given occasion or day.....or minute, second etc.
Thinking

Barnsley, UK

#14290 Mar 25, 2013
Perhaps there is a god, but it will favour non-believers and other moderates.

You can't disprove that, and neither can I.
Siro wrote:
<quoted text>
Woohoo....so youre going up the ranks in terms of becoming a Topix atheism celebrity.
So does Boob of QF respond directly to you yet?
Are you aspiring to be like him?
Doesnt matter, youre a boob anyway.
As for me praying to a 'non-entity' well we will find out if youre right or not eventually.
All I can say is that it will suck to be you, but it sucks to be you on any given occasion or day.....or minute, second etc.
CunningLinguist

Winter Garden, FL

#14292 Mar 25, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you buy special cat food?
Naturally!

Feline communion wafers.
Certified by the Vatican.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#14293 Mar 25, 2013
Siro wrote:
<quoted text>
Maybe in your mind they are........
Siro wrote: Why do you refer to yourself in the 3rd person?
I am convinced you are a Seinfeld fanatic, you are 'Jimmy' who tried to pick up 'Elaine'
Reason Personified wrote: You are convinced of lot's of things that are not real. And I don't know who that is. Wasn't Seinfeld like two decades ago?

Siro wrote: The only belief you have demonstrated so far is a hatred of God.
Reason Personified wrote: Which one?

Siro wrote: Educate me? More like hopelessly failing in trying to indoctrinate me and everyone else for that matter. You cannot educate people into 'nothing'.....unless youre a nihilist of some sort.
Reason Personified wrote: As I said, it is endless, this attempt to educate you. And again "atheist" is simply not theist, and it is you who is,(not us) making a big deal about it, and trying to expand it to cover what you need and wish it to be.

Siro wrote: OK....so whats the answer?
Reason Personified wrote: Your mirror broken?

Siro wrote: What? In the same way dawkins and co. live off government grants and donations from stooges like you?
Reason Personified wrote: Tell me, are his books any good?

Siro wrote: You proclaim yourself as being 'not theist' then add you are a 'non-believer' as if these 2 terms were exclusive from each other.
Maybe in your mind they are........
Reason Personified wrote: They are.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#14294 Mar 25, 2013
Siro wrote:
<quoted text>
And yet you whine about clergy who you do not know, if a minister or anyone is mentioned by the Topix atheist peoples socialist democratic groupthink collective as an enemy you roll with your fellow maltheists without question.
You probably go to soup kitchens to get a free meal and then spit on the nuns who served it up to you.
<quoted text>
No, I dont have to smear you because you are doing a good job smearing yourself.
I suppose that your actions are 'pre-emptive stupidity'
.
A final word.....
I can honestly state that I have never encountered anyone of your level of intelligence, everyone else I know possess I.Q.s above zero.
Siro wrote: And yet you whine about clergy who you do not know, if a minister or anyone is mentioned by the Topix atheist peoples socialist democratic groupthink collective as an enemy you roll with your fellow maltheists without question.
You probably go to soup kitchens to get a free meal and then spit on the nuns who served it up to you.
Reason Personified wrote: I whine? You can prove that, correct? You don't mind proving it, do you?

Google " topix.com "Reason Personified" "soup kitchen". You shouldn't be the only poster unfamiliar with my history concerning soup kitchens.

Siro wrote: No, I dont have to smear you because you are doing a good job smearing yourself.
I suppose that your actions are 'pre-emptive stupidity'

Reason Personified wrote: Smear? I don't think so (" I declare myself atheist in the manner of one who is not besotted with theism. My family members were the first to be told of my questioning of the holy book's contents, I sought guidance from them. My parents and grandparents were the first to know that I was a non-believer. My former church was for decades, after I became a non-believer still a part of my life, because of my family. Is there any more filth that you need to try and smear me with? ") Show me the smearing of myself.
.
Siro wrote: A final word.....
I can honestly state that I have never encountered anyone of your level of intelligence, everyone else I know possess I.Q.s above zero
Reason Personified wrote: How sad, you poor mal-theist, my intelligence level not withstanding, you are still so ass-backwards that you think that we (generally) and I (specifically) are the same as you loons, only without the "happy, happy my god is better than yours" face. I mean, seriously a made up word, that through it's components can only point to you who are deluded into theism, and you prance around trying to tie it to us. How silly of you.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#14295 Mar 26, 2013
Thinking wrote:
So, now you've outed yourself as just another homophobic religitard you want to change your writing style.
You're still a fuckwit.
<quoted text>
It won't last, staying power is not chief among his attributes. He will soon return to his usual putrid and god-deemed idiocy.
Siro

Melbourne, Australia

#14296 Mar 26, 2013
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>It won't last, staying power is not chief among his attributes. He will soon return to his usual putrid and god-deemed idiocy.
Yay....whatever you reckon......
I did a search with your suggestion ' topix.com ''reason personified''soup kitchen'.
And lo and behold! What do I discover?
That Club Maltheist is actually real and travels with you, KittenKoder and Thinking spamming your crap on the Topix islam board.

Reason_Personified = Givemeliberty?.....
You be the judge........
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>Look around you. That is in every town, every city, there is hunger and poverty everywhere, the answer is not in a holy book nor is it in any church.
For almost my entire life (yes, even in my childhood) I have been active in trying to help those less fortunate, For years I operated a soup kitchen (free of dogma), cooked in another (prayers mandatory), which was the reason I started and funded one myself, delivered food, water and clothing in emergency situations (fire and storms). I took in and raised 4 abandoned children along with my own, and I can tell you, this life is beautiful.
The possibilities, the endless chances to reinvent your life, to step outside of your own past, begin anew, are real. Even with disease and terminal illness, we humans can look for the possibility of cures, we can live in the moment, making as much as we can of the too short days left. We can pass on who we are in music, art and in the written word. Nothing is guaranteed, but for one brief bit of life that we have, we can make it a brilliantly beautiful and shining moment, by something as simple as sharing a smile.
The answers to poverty can be as simple as just getting tired of being broke. I have seen this work, with just a family doing without, then picking up cans, and then trash, and then starting their own trash clean up business, and then moving into landscaping. Today they live well, and they pass on these very simple words, " When you really get tired of being broke, get up and do something about it.".
But wait folks.....it gets better!!!!
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>How about you try doing what I did? I died, I bled to death, and there was nothing there. Emergency room personal, refused to give up on me, and after I was dead, a IV line was started in my foot. Which with that and the paddles, things got going again.
I have spent a large part of my adult years as a first responder, I've seen death much more often than I am comfortable with. I've seen people fight it, I've seen people accept it. I've seen people come back from it, and the truth is if they were expecting blue spaceships to carry them to Valhalla, then it would be blue spaceships, that they claimed to have seen, and never does one who is expecting Allah, see Jesus, nor does one who is expecting Poseidon, get to see Pele. The god you are taught that you will see, is who you will imagine, and when you are dead .... the imagining stops.
The people on this planet who will trick you into believing whatever it is, that will benefit them, are too many to count, and you are far from the only one who has been righteously snookered.
As for the rest of the R_P crap...i'll get to it later.....

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