Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

Apr 25, 2012 Full story: Psychology Today 23,565

My blog posts on religion have attracted a lot of controversy. Religious people are annoyed by my claim that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

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Thinking

Yeovil, UK

#12770 Feb 14, 2013
Henry, let your kids out of your dungeon and then pay more attention to who is posting to who. You're coming over a bit Alzheimers.
Henry wrote:
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Why should I be "hurt"? Iam rather amused, thats all!

Since: Mar 11

United States

#12771 Feb 14, 2013
Indeed it is possible that Muhammad was a random soldier or general war hero who Al Fuckface whatever crafted a biblical-ish legend around. Maybe his family member, friend or lover.

This would explain why nobody outside the Quran knew of him. Or Muhammad being a wildly used name in the area he could have just been a representation of all the Muhammads who were blood thirsty animal soldiers at the time. An homage so to speak of the Arab warrior.
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>We need the usual, historical proof as required for any other figure...
From:
http://www.opendemocracy.net/faith-europe_isl...
"It is notoriously difficult to know anything for sure about the founder of a world religion. Just as one shrine after the other obliterates the contours of the localities in which he was active, so one doctrine after another reshapes him as a figure for veneration and imitation for a vast number of people in times and places that he never knew."
And Mohammed didn't personally found the religion. The religious theology developed after his death. Islam is apparently based on a historical figure and probably some sort of war-leader.
The Jesus depicted in the Bible was possibly something of a composite figure. Even less seems to be known for sure about the Quran's version of Mohammed. The original sources we have on them were generally created long after these figures died. Neither figure seems to have been as important during their lifetimes as their political uses were after their deaths.
<quoted text>I think I may have done at some stage. Like many historians who refer to famous religious prophets like Jesus and Mohammed, he often referred to what people of the time believed to be true, whether their belief was correct or entirely erroneous.
<quoted text>Perhaps so idiotic that these points have never occurred to them?
Perhaps so idiotic that they are confident that they now know essentially what these figures said during their lifetimes,(as opposed to modern theological dogma on the subject)?
Perhaps so idiotic that they think not a single word has been changed in the Quran since the 7th Century?
Perhaps even so idiotic that they seriously believe someone like Jesus or Mohammed were sent to Earth as messengers from an Abrahamic god(s)?
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#12772 Feb 14, 2013
Adam wrote:
I usually criticise islam and religion generally here, but thought for the sake of balance and interest i'd post an alternative view. One of the reasons for the so called war on terror is the little know about by the public and not discussed on mainstream media. It is usury. The middle eastern countries do not lend or receive money at interest due to its prohibition in the quran. This was the same in christianity up unitl the reformation in the 16th century. Previous to them usury had been viewed as a mortal sin and would risk eternal punishment in hell. Therefore lending money at interest at the middle ages was only practised by Jews. They were dispised for this by all European countries and were often expelled en mass from country to country.

Today we live in a globalised debt-based banking system. The only countries resisting this system, just happen to be the same ones targeted for liberation and regime change by the US and its allies. A conincidence, I think not. This is what liberation by the west brings to islamic countries, a system of perpetual and exponentially growing debts. Lucky them :)
Ans.

I think I have posted a details reply to you on the thread “Why Atheism will overcome religion”.

It covers most of the points you have mentioned here.

I do not want to duplicate my arguments.

So I will wait for your reply, before commenting anything further.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#12773 Feb 14, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
And I notice you are very proud of Muslim war conquests of other people. Killing non believers brings you great joy yes?
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Yes.

Just as Genuine Christians™ murdered non-christians throughout history in a Proud Tradition™ of slaughter of the innocent.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#12774 Feb 14, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Indeed it is possible that Muhammad was a random soldier or general war hero who Al Fuckface whatever crafted a biblical-ish legend around. Maybe his family member, friend or lover.
This would explain why nobody outside the Quran knew of him. Or Muhammad being a wildly used name in the area he could have just been a representation of all the Muhammads who were blood thirsty animal soldiers at the time. An homage so to speak of the Arab warrior.
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That is quite interesting. I had no idea Muhammad-the-pedophile was just another figment.

But it stands to reason he was just as fictional as Jewsus.

Which brings up a couple of good points. Since this child molester was fictional?

1) why did they depict him as a child rapist?
2) why did they also depict him as illiterate?

You'd have thunk, since they were cobbling it together out of essentially fairy-tales, that they'd have made him more...

... respectable.

I mean, really?

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#12776 Feb 14, 2013
At that time remember marrying children and thighing them was considered normal in that society. Well not much has changed in that part if the world.

Many Arab soldiers then and now were illiterate so that helped connect the uneducated masses to his myth.
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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That is quite interesting. I had no idea Muhammad-the-pedophile was just another figment.
But it stands to reason he was just as fictional as Jewsus.
Which brings up a couple of good points. Since this child molester was fictional?
1) why did they depict him as a child rapist?
2) why did they also depict him as illiterate?
You'd have thunk, since they were cobbling it together out of essentially fairy-tales, that they'd have made him more...
... respectable.
I mean, really?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#12777 Feb 14, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
At that time remember marrying children and thighing them was considered normal in that society. Well not much has changed in that part if the world.
Many Arab soldiers then and now were illiterate so that helped connect the uneducated masses to his myth.
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Yes, I get all that-- but, since they were making sh7t up? Why not go for a higher standard?

... meh.

I'll never understand these people I suppose-- it probably stems from me preferring strict honesty over all else.

Even to myself.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#12778 Feb 14, 2013
Because they weren't trying to create a myth for educated people. They were aiming for a group of uneducated, illiterate, barbaric child molesters.

You gotta know your client base. You think those animals would have responded to a well rounded message of peace and acceptance? Lol!
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Yes, I get all that-- but, since they were making sh7t up? Why not go for a higher standard?
... meh.
I'll never understand these people I suppose-- it probably stems from me preferring strict honesty over all else.
Even to myself.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#12779 Feb 14, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Because they weren't trying to create a myth for educated people. They were aiming for a group of uneducated, illiterate, barbaric child molesters.
You gotta know your client base. You think those animals would have responded to a well rounded message of peace and acceptance? Lol!
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Good point.
Siro

Sydney, Australia

#12780 Feb 15, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
That is quite interesting. I had no idea Muhammad-the-pedophile was just another figment.
But it stands to reason he was just as fictional as Jewsus.
Which brings up a couple of good points. Since this child molester was fictional?
1) why did they depict him as a child rapist?
2) why did they also depict him as illiterate?
You'd have thunk, since they were cobbling it together out of essentially fairy-tales, that they'd have made him more...
... respectable.
I mean, really?
You say that Jesus and Mohammed are fictional.
So the claims you spew against them must be fictional as well?
Thinking

Hounslow, UK

#12781 Feb 15, 2013
Non sequitur.
Siro wrote:
<quoted text>
You say that Jesus and Mohammed are fictional.
So the claims you spew against them must be fictional as well?

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#12782 Feb 15, 2013
What a turd eating retarded statement!

No you can make real insults and claims about fictional characters. Watch any news program where people are raising hell about somebody in a movie and what they did.
Siro wrote:
<quoted text>
You say that Jesus and Mohammed are fictional.
So the claims you spew against them must be fictional as well?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#12783 Feb 15, 2013
Siro wrote:
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You say that Jesus and Mohammed are fictional.
So the claims you spew against them must be fictional as well?
LOL!

Are you seriously this stupid, or did you take special stupid lessons?

LOL!

In any case--you prove once again, you are just another True Believer™.
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#12784 Feb 15, 2013
KK wrote:
The majority is wrong more often than correct, thus your bandwagon fallacy makes your religious nonsense look more dangerous than anyone has asserted. Do you really want to pull the "millions of people thought it was a good idea" card?
Ans.

You are very right, the Majority is always wrong!!

Quran says “If you were to follow the wishes of majority of these people, they will certainly mislead you…”

But it is your system (by which you die and live) which is based on the principle of majority.

Any one who wins majority of votes is elected, any party which gets majority of seats in parliament gets to form Govt.

Any one who own 50 %+ 1 share in any firm gets the right to formulate all rules and regulations and gets control of the firm.

How come you are raising doubt the concept of Majority?

In reality Truth has power of its own and is not linked with majority or minority.

If every one on this earth declares that “There is no Creator of this Universe”…. And there is only ONE MAN who says that “There IS a Creator of the world”.

That One man will be Right and rest 6,999,999,999 would be WRONG?

What will be the percentage of one man against these 6,999,999,999?

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#12785 Feb 15, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
You are very right, the Majority is always wrong!!
Quran says “If you were to follow the wishes of majority of these people, they will certainly mislead you…”
But it is your system (by which you die and live) which is based on the principle of majority.
Any one who wins majority of votes is elected, any party which gets majority of seats in parliament gets to form Govt.
Any one who own 50 %+ 1 share in any firm gets the right to formulate all rules and regulations and gets control of the firm.
How come you are raising doubt the concept of Majority?
In reality Truth has power of its own and is not linked with majority or minority.
If every one on this earth declares that “There is no Creator of this Universe”…. And there is only ONE MAN who says that “There IS a Creator of the world”.
That One man will be Right and rest 6,999,999,999 would be WRONG?
What will be the percentage of one man against these 6,999,999,999?
That one man would be the last gullible sap, and we could conclude that the rest of the millions of humans had read and understood that the holy books are really man made guides for controlling human sheep.
After all no one who was a real parent, would believe in any god who would let babies be thighed. Lot's of things can reproduce, but that doesn't make them real parents
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#12786 Feb 15, 2013
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>That one man would be the last gullible sap, and we could conclude that the rest of the millions of humans had read and understood that the holy books are really man made guides for controlling human sheep.
After all no one who was a real parent, would believe in any god who would let babies be thighed. Lot's of things can reproduce, but that doesn't make them real parents
I think you are of a very sick mind and sicklier thoughts.

You should see a mental doctor who might take your mind "off thighing".

You can tell to that mental doctor your problem that you only see "thigh" every where and any where.

When you are in your office and factory and bathroom, all you see is "thighs".

I am sure he would be able to find a solution and "De-thigh" your outlook.

And he would also advise you to change your Pseudo Name!!

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#12787 Feb 16, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
You are very right, the Majority is always wrong!!
Quran says “If you were to follow the wishes of majority of these people, they will certainly mislead you…”
But it is your system (by which you die and live) which is based on the principle of majority.
Any one who wins majority of votes is elected, any party which gets majority of seats in parliament gets to form Govt.
Any one who own 50 %+ 1 share in any firm gets the right to formulate all rules and regulations and gets control of the firm.
How come you are raising doubt the concept of Majority?
In reality Truth has power of its own and is not linked with majority or minority.
If every one on this earth declares that “There is no Creator of this Universe”…. And there is only ONE MAN who says that “There IS a Creator of the world”.
That One man will be Right and rest 6,999,999,999 would be WRONG?
What will be the percentage of one man against these 6,999,999,999?
Still no proof your pedophile-Moohumud was a real person.

Pitiful.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#12788 Feb 16, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
I think you are of a very sick mind and sicklier thoughts.
You should see a mental doctor who might take your mind "off thighing".
You can tell to that mental doctor your problem that you only see "thigh" every where and any where.
When you are in your office and factory and bathroom, all you see is "thighs".
I am sure he would be able to find a solution and "De-thigh" your outlook.
And he would also advise you to change your Pseudo Name!!
Your pope--erm--your "moohumud"? The child-raping "prophet"?

Was not real, silly boy!

No more real than your godling is.

Who's insane here?

Oh!... that would be you.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#12789 Feb 16, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
I think you are of a very sick mind and sicklier thoughts...
Right back at ya, but religion (or any other superstition) can do that to people, it seems. It's divisive and tends to impede rational discussion.
Get well soon, Muq.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#12790 Feb 16, 2013
Is the majority always wrong?

In a sense this can be true,(sort of). Take the world being round for instance. Seafarers with good eye-sight probably discovered for themselves that the Earth appeared to be curved from seeing the sails of ships appear before the hulls on the horizon. However, it takes time for such observations to be corroberated and spread to the general population - a process often hindered by religion and other superstitions.

Democracy is partly about majority agreement (and protection of minorities and the innocent, or harmless). One needs universal suffrage despite the fact that a few individuals are vastly better informed and far more correct on almost all subjects than perhaps most people are. Democracy and voting isn't always about who is most correct, but about protecting people's rights. The debates it involves helps to update the community of ideas - a very important concept.

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