Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

There are 23814 comments on the Psychology Today story from Apr 25, 2012, titled Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038. In it, Psychology Today reports that:

My blog posts on religion have attracted a lot of controversy. Religious people are annoyed by my claim that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

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Brit Expat

Calvisson, France

#12529 Feb 6, 2013
Henry wrote:
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To me, as an atheist (for 70 years or so) it is god non existent. The hole religious myths are at best fairy tales. Religious leaders are mostly fakers or worse. Uneducated masses are a pity or commited to crimes for milleniums.
Hi Henry, Could'nt agree with you more. I am 82 and the longer you live, it becomes more and more obvious what a scam religion really is!

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#12530 Feb 6, 2013
God does not appear in the constitution you reject.
MUQ wrote:
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If there is no "god' in US constitution, how come it appeared on "Every Dollar Bill"?
Who put it there?
Devil?
Or Jews that control Federal Reserve which Prints all the money?

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#12531 Feb 6, 2013
Christians have always violently attacked nonbelievers, it is part of your history.
BBSting wrote:
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Don't kid yourself, Gomer. We're the masters of atrocities. We will rule the world and you're going to be the first one on our hit list. LOL!
Henry

Bischofferode, Germany

#12532 Feb 6, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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A most excellent quote-- and reason enough to doubt any gods of any sort.
There are and were many thousands of gods, not even one of them has ever been real! Funny garbage nothing else!

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#12533 Feb 6, 2013
insidesecrets wrote:
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What does science offer, if not a collection of tentative theories?
Everybody dies...nobody gets out of it, but some of us can see beyond the veil of physicalities.
Some of us cannot see beyond TV soaps, in MHO they're MOSTLY on this tread.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#12534 Feb 6, 2013
We see why their beliefs bring, the killer is a male and his victim is female.

Pay a fine and move on the Islamic leadership way.
Adam wrote:
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Hi Muq,
Another news story of interest for you.
Saudi preacher who 'raped and tortured' his five -year-old daughter to death is released after paying 'blood money'
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middl...
Rather than getting the death penalty or receiving a long prison sentence for the crime, Fayhan al-Ghamdi served only a few months in jail before a judge ruled the prosecution could only seek ‘blood money’.
I know you will say this is nothing to do with Islam. But you need to start waking up to the insanity of religion. This sort of thing happens too often.
insidesecrets

Albuquerque, NM

#12535 Feb 6, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Rational ethics such as those embodied in the Affirmations of Humanism are far superior to Christian ethics. Christians ethics should be ignored wherever they contradict rational ethics.
You're an atheist, not a humanist. You have no philosophy, no code of rational ethics, you're not an organization. You simply lack a belief in God. Isn't that your standard mantra?

Atheism leaves people feeling vulnerable. Without a divine protector to keep their best interests in check, they become frightened people and frightened people don't want freedom. They want protection, a leader who will order their lives for them. That leader is secular science. And what has secular science provided to soothe the savage beast, this accidental creation alive without direction or purpose? Since Darwin's Origin of the Species, there has been a protracted period of scientific speculation, theories, observations and opinions, but no substantiated conclusions identifying the atheist place in creation. He is left to his own wiles, hence his paranoia.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Actually, Christians really have no idea about right and wrong at all. Anything that your god is alleged to have said or done is called perfect love. If you can convince a Christian that his god commands him to enucleate the eyes of puppies with a fork, they'll do it and call it perfect love.
The paranoid atheist organizes the world around his obsession with religion. He cuts everything out that does not apply. Invents stories to support his fears until all conforms to his beliefs.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Furthermore, unlike secularists, Christians are desensitized by a bible that catalogs its god's genocides and other atrocities one after another, chapter after chapter.
And they are taught that suffering is their god's will. How sick is this form a woman that the church wants to declare a saint:
"I think it is very beautiful for the poor to accept their lot, to share it with the passion of Christ. I think the world is being much helped by the suffering of the poor people." – Mother Teresa
This combinations of ideas has had a devastating effect throughout history. Because of these attitudes, if you were a Jew in Nazi Germany, and the only thing standing between you and the gas chambers was the quality of Christian morality and character, you didn't have much chance. If you were waiting for these tens of millions of church trained Christians to do what Jesus taught and stand up and say, "This is wrong! Stop, Herr Hitler!" you were a dead Jew.
Humanism has no such failures.
Of course it has no failures. It has never been tested in its pure form. It's a philosophy, not a society. A philosophy that has been polluted by various interpretations since its inception. Whose version of humanism are you talking about? Religious humanism? Secular humanism? Inclusive humanism? Renaissance humanism?
Henry

Bischofferode, Germany

#12536 Feb 6, 2013
Khatru wrote:
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The communist ideal of giving everything to the collective appears in the Bible, and that was many centuries before Marx and Engels.
The Bible also shows how defying the collective has fatal consequences.
Perhaps Marx was inspired by the Bible.
Now don`t be so quick with your judgment. The nuclear age may destroy capitalism and mankind too. So there will be the end of humanity! So we may be have no human history anymore. This will be regrettable, but nature does not care! Perhaps then a different future will begin!
Brit Expat

Calvisson, France

#12537 Feb 6, 2013
Henry wrote:
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There are and were many thousands of gods, not even one of them has ever been real! Funny garbage nothing else!
Sadly in the 21st century the human MONKEY continues to be easily led by religous nonsense. My question is, what price intellegence??
Brit Expat

Calvisson, France

#12538 Feb 6, 2013
insidesecrets wrote:
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You're an atheist, not a humanist. You have no philosophy, no code of rational ethics, you're not an organization. You simply lack a belief in God. Isn't that your standard mantra?
Atheism leaves people feeling vulnerable. Without a divine protector to keep their best interests in check, they become frightened people and frightened people don't want freedom. They want protection, a leader who will order their lives for them. That leader is secular science. And what has secular science provided to soothe the savage beast, this accidental creation alive without direction or purpose? Since Darwin's Origin of the Species, there has been a protracted period of scientific speculation, theories, observations and opinions, but no substantiated conclusions identifying the atheist place in creation. He is left to his own wiles, hence his paranoia.
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The paranoid atheist organizes the world around his obsession with religion. He cuts everything out that does not apply. Invents stories to support his fears until all conforms to his beliefs.
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Of course it has no failures. It has never been tested in its pure form. It's a philosophy, not a society. A philosophy that has been polluted by various interpretations since its inception. Whose version of humanism are you talking about? Religious humanism? Secular humanism? Inclusive humanism? Renaissance humanism?
In a word! NONSENSE!!!!!!!!
insidesecrets

Albuquerque, NM

#12539 Feb 6, 2013
Khatru wrote:
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I'll have a go at answering that one.
No, I certainly wouldn't - because, it would most likely prove to be fatal.There - that's my honest answer.
Exactly. By design all of us are capable of independent thought. It is the height of human vanity to expect the whole of mankind to bow to one set of dogmas whether it be science or religion.
Khatru wrote:
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Your turn now....
Would you obey your god if he ordered you to slit the throat of the child next door?
My version of God wouldn't issue such an order.
Henry

Bischofferode, Germany

#12540 Feb 6, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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That's the fruit of secular philosophy. Secularists had to criminalize many Christian practices.
And yes, that was centuries ago, but there is no reason to believe that if they legalized witch burning again tomorrow that the Christians wouldn't be setting people on fire the day after.
Can you name one instance in history where Christians had the power to burn or impale unbelievers with impunity, but elected not to use it - even one instance of Christians saying, "Yes, we could burn people alive for blasphemy, but we choose not to do so, because that would be too barbaric and sadistic"?
Religions are having no power any more in the nuclear age! Capitalism is on its mortal downfall, like it or not
Henry

Bischofferode, Germany

#12541 Feb 6, 2013
sickofit wrote:
Only insane mental midgets still beleive and follow any religion. Us sane educated people dont follow religion and its hate filled racist bigoted ways.
The nuclear inferno is on its way! The majority is no more able to tame the atom!
insidesecrets

Albuquerque, NM

#12542 Feb 6, 2013
Henry wrote:
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Now don`t be so quick with your judgment. The nuclear age may destroy capitalism and mankind too. So there will be the end of humanity! So we may be have no human history anymore. This will be regrettable, but nature does not care! Perhaps then a different future will begin!
Humankind has not woven the web of life.
We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves.
All things are bound together.
All things connect.- Chief Seattle, 1854

Mother Nature is the genius, not man. She does not need to be perfected or improved in any way. She is filled with divine creativity so that not a single snowflake escapes her crafting hand.

When scientific secularism redefined reality and dropped God out of its equations, the "new man" made in Darwin's image began to devalue and alter the only home he has to satisfy the only virtue he knows, his gluttonous appetites. In his haste to grow things bigger and better and faster he has damaged the environment. Recycling plastic and preserving what is left of our ancient ecosystems won't save the world. The way we THINK will however. If it is not too late, humankind must re-learn the lessons our ancient ancestors knew, knowledge scientific secularism has lost touch with that allowed our ancestors to live sustainably for hundreds of thousands of years. A reverent regard for Nature will lead Darwinian man into a new age...controlled populations, respect for the earth, reduced wasteful consumption and re-created communities based on compassion and alturism rather than self gain and gluttony.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#12543 Feb 6, 2013
insidesecrets wrote:
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Humankind has not woven the web of life.
We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves.
All things are bound together.
All things connect.- Chief Seattle, 1854
....
" http://www.snopes.com/quotes/seattle.asp" ;

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#12544 Feb 6, 2013
insidesecrets wrote:
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You're an atheist, not a humanist. You have no philosophy, no code of rational ethics, you're not an organization. You simply lack a belief in God. Isn't that your standard mantra?
You really don't understand the first thing about atheism and, apparently, are not capable of actually hearing anything that conflicts with your preconceived prejudices.

Atheism is a general category that includes anybody and everybody who does not fit into the category "theism." The only thing that being an "atheist" tells you is what I'm NOT -- "not a theist". this tells you absolutely nothing about what I am, which for a lot of atheists is HUMANIST.
insidesecrets wrote:
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Atheism leaves people feeling ...his beliefs.
A bunch of made up strawman BS that has no bearing on anything except your need to hate and fear things you can't understand.
insidesecrets wrote:
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Whose version of humanism are you talking about? Religious humanism? Secular humanism? Inclusive humanism? Renaissance humanism?
Pick one -- " http://www.thefreedictionary.com/humanism&quo... ;
Thinking

Gillingham, UK

#12545 Feb 6, 2013
Great link. Whilst I don't deny that the climate is changing, and preferring science to polemic, I do deny most things Al Gore related.
Hedonist wrote:

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#12546 Feb 6, 2013
insidesecrets wrote:
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You're an atheist, not a humanist. You have no philosophy, no code of rational ethics, you're not an organization. You simply lack a belief in God. Isn't that your standard mantra?
Once again, atheism *per se* is simply the lack of belief in any deity. And you are correct, atheism is, itself, not a philosophy or a moral system. it is *not* the denial of any philosophy or moral system; it is simply a lack of belief in deities.

BUT humanism, which *is* a philosophy and a moral system is certainly *compatible* with atheism: there is no assumption that deities exist within humanism. Because of this, it is possible to be *both* an atheist and a humanist. In practice, many atheists are , in fact, humanists. In the same way, many atheists are parent, joggers, or people who like tomatoes. To be an atheist is only a statement about one small issue: whether one has a belief in deities.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#12547 Feb 6, 2013
insidesecrets wrote:
Atheism leaves people feeling vulnerable. Without a divine protector to keep their best interests in check, they become frightened people and frightened people don't want freedom. They want protection, a leader who will order their lives for them.
Might I suggest that they simply grow up and stop requiring other people to think for them?
That leader is secular science. And what has secular science provided to soothe the savage beast, this accidental creation alive without direction or purpose?
That isn't the goal or purpose of science. The goal of science is to understand how the universe works. if you want direction and/or purpose, read some philosophy, literature, look at art, fall in love, and learn to think for yourself.

I *do* have 'direction and purpose': to learn, to love, to teach, to help, to experience. But that direction and purpose are chosen *by me* and not dictated by any deity. I have no requirement that my purpose survive my death. In fact, it seems silly to me to require such a thing.
Since Darwin's Origin of the Species, there has been a protracted period of scientific speculation, theories, observations and opinions, but no substantiated conclusions identifying the atheist place in creation. He is left to his own wiles, hence his paranoia.
Once again, not the place of science, except in the trivial sense: we are biological organisms on a smallish planet orbiting a rather ordinary star in a large barbed spiral galaxy. That *is* our place in 'creation'.
Whose version of humanism are you talking about? Religious humanism? Secular humanism? Inclusive humanism? Renaissance humanism?
Secular humanism, for me, please.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#12548 Feb 6, 2013
insidesecrets wrote:
My version of God wouldn't issue such an order.
Now, I suggest you think very closely why that would be the case. If it was simply what 'God wishes', then you could not say that the command to slit the throat of a child is against God's will *except* to claim that it is, independently of God's desires, immoral. But then *that* shows that morality is not dependent on a deity, but even the deity would be evil if such a command was issued.

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