Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

There are 24182 comments on the Psychology Today story from Apr 25, 2012, titled Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038. In it, Psychology Today reports that:

My blog posts on religion have attracted a lot of controversy. Religious people are annoyed by my claim that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

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“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#12473 Feb 6, 2013
brent wrote:
Reasoning can be wrong, and reach false conclusions. 10 people using reasoning can come to different conclusions, some reach false conclusiosn,some correct.
Yes, I know.

Point?
brent wrote:
the sun still shines in the sky, ahs since the day you were born and will still be shining after the day you die.
show us your reasons for that lol
The shining comes from a ball of mostly hydrogen undergoing fusion wherein matter is being transformed into sunshine. The process will continue will until the ball exhausts its fuel supply. The angular momentum of the spinning earth makes the ball appear to rise and set each day, and gravity keeps us close to it.

Is that news to you? Maybe you should read more than one book?

“Darwin died for your sins”

Since: Aug 08

Nunya

#12474 Feb 6, 2013
Thinking wrote:
When they've died?
This Jim Tracy moron is trying to depose another anti-abortion republican... so anti-abortion in fact, he "pushed his patient and mistress to get an abortion and agreed that his wife should have two."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_DesJarlais#Person...
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I heard about that idiot. I think Tennesse just surpassed Oklahoma in the stupid race.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#12475 Feb 6, 2013
insidesecrets wrote:
If a scientist told you to leap off the nearest cliff to adjust a chemical imbalance, would you do it?
No.

If your god told you to leap off the nearest cliff to demonstrate your loyalty to it, would you do it?
insidesecrets wrote:
There is no great conversation among atheists.
Let me educate about what the Great Conversation is. From Wiki:

"The tradition of the West is embodied in the Great Conversation that began in the dawn of history and that continues to the present day"

"What binds the authors together in an intellectual community is the great conversation in which they are engaged. In the works that come later in the sequence of years, we find authors listening to what their predecessors have had to say about this idea or that, this topic or that."

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#12476 Feb 6, 2013
insidesecrets wrote:
There are only those who refuse to examine what they believe
"Faith, by definition, is unexamined. So in that sense it has to be among the shallowest of experiences" - Condell
insidesecrets wrote:
cults deal with fear primarily using it as a stimulus to incite its members to pursue a common goal.
Yes, I know:

"Religion needs us to believe that death is something that needs to be greatly feared without its protection. And the closer we get to it the greater the fear will become until it builds to a crescendo of terror right at the final moment, and then, you’d better believe it, you’ll turn to God, oh yes, you will." - Condell

"What, after all, is religion? It is fear. Fear builds the altar and offers the sacrifice. Fear erects the cathedral and bows the head of man in worship. Fear bends the knees and utters the prayer. Fear pretends to love." - Robert Green Ingersoll

"To the philosophy of atheism belongs the credit of robbing death of its horror and its terror. It brought about the abolition of Hell." - Joseph Lewis

“What game?”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#12477 Feb 6, 2013
Thinking wrote:
When they've died?
This Jim Tracy moron is trying to depose another anti-abortion republican... so anti-abortion in fact, he "pushed his patient and mistress to get an abortion and agreed that his wife should have two."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_DesJarlais#Person...
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They never stop. I admire their tenacity even though I abhor their religious convictions.

Never give an inch.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#12478 Feb 6, 2013
insidesecrets wrote:
There is no separation of church and state. It is nowhere mentioned in the Constitution.
Would you offer an argument that you wouldn't accept? I'll bet that you just did:

“The next time believers tell you that "separation of church and state" does not appear in our founding document, tell them to stop using the word "trinity." The word "trinity" appears nowhere in the bible.

Neither does Rapture, or Second Coming, or Original Sin. If they are still unfazed (or unphrased) by this, then add Omniscience, Omnipresence, Supernatural, Transcendence, Afterlife, Deity, Divinity, Theology, Monotheism, Missionary, Immaculate Conception, Christmas, Christianity, Evangelical, Fundamentalist, Methodist, Catholic, Pope, Cardinal, Catechism, Purgatory, Penance, Transubstantiation, Excommunication, Dogma, Chastity, Unpardonable Sin, Infallibility, Inerrancy, Incarnation, Epiphany, Sermon, Eucharist, the Lord's Prayer, Good Friday, Doubting Thomas, Advent, Sunday School, Dead Sea, Golden Rule, Moral, Morality, Ethics, Patriotism, Education, Atheism, Apostasy, Conservative (Liberal is in), Capital Punishment, Monogamy, Abortion, Pornography, Homosexual, Lesbian, Fairness, Logic, Republic, Democracy, Capitalism, Funeral, Decalogue, or Bible.”- Dan Barker

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#12479 Feb 6, 2013
insidesecrets wrote:
Examples of "God" in U.S. government:

"The Chaplain of the United States Senate opens each session of the United States Senate with a prayer, and provides and coordinates religious programs and pastoral care support for Senators, their staffs, and their families." There is also a House Chaplain. Both House and Senate Chaplains have staff and receive a salary from the government. The Senate chaplain receives $155,500.00 (2011). The total annual budget for the office, including salaries and expenses, is $415,000 (2011).

"Along with the House Chaplain, the Senate Chaplain is responsible for overseeing the Capitol Prayer Room, located near the Capitol Rotunda. Dedicated in 1955, there are no worship services held in the room, nor is it normally open to the public. Instead, as described by Sam Rayburn during the room's dedication, it is a place for members "who want to be alone with their God."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaplain_of_the_...
Bibles are used in Presidential Inaugural ceremonies. The oath of office ends with the words, "So help me God." They are also used in courts of law.

A law passed by the 84th Congress on July 30, 1956 declared In God We Trust to be the national motto of the United States. The words, "In God We Trust" can be found on all U.S. currency.
The Pledge of Allegiance includes the words, "One nation under God."

The U.S. National Anthem includes the words, "Then conquer we must, when our cause is just, And this be our motto: "In God is our trust"

The Supreme Court has its very own Ten Commandment display: Hebrew-inscribed tablets held by Moses, one of a series of historical figures who look down from the ceiling on the justices.
In the Washington Monument, the Jefferson Memorial, the Lincoln Memorial, the Library of Congress etc., there are numerous acknowlegments of God and Bible verses carved on memorial blocks in the walls.
Violations all. We'll fix that for you.
Thinking

Uckfield, UK

#12480 Feb 6, 2013
when you can give so much more...
River Tam wrote:
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Never give an inch.
Thinking

Uckfield, UK

#12481 Feb 6, 2013
Interesting that "insidesecrets" starting posting in what I assume they thought would appear a reasoned manner, trying to cast doubt on scientific practices and the like.

Now they've degenerated into the usual believer babble.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Would you offer an argument that you wouldn't accept? I'll bet that you just did:
“The next time believers tell you that "separation of church and state" does not appear in our founding document, tell them to stop using the word "trinity." The word "trinity" appears nowhere in the bible.
Neither does Rapture, or Second Coming, or Original Sin. If they are still unfazed (or unphrased) by this, then add Omniscience, Omnipresence, Supernatural, Transcendence, Afterlife, Deity, Divinity, Theology, Monotheism, Missionary, Immaculate Conception, Christmas, Christianity, Evangelical, Fundamentalist, Methodist, Catholic, Pope, Cardinal, Catechism, Purgatory, Penance, Transubstantiation, Excommunication, Dogma, Chastity, Unpardonable Sin, Infallibility, Inerrancy, Incarnation, Epiphany, Sermon, Eucharist, the Lord's Prayer, Good Friday, Doubting Thomas, Advent, Sunday School, Dead Sea, Golden Rule, Moral, Morality, Ethics, Patriotism, Education, Atheism, Apostasy, Conservative (Liberal is in), Capital Punishment, Monogamy, Abortion, Pornography, Homosexual, Lesbian, Fairness, Logic, Republic, Democracy, Capitalism, Funeral, Decalogue, or Bible.”- Dan Barker

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#12482 Feb 6, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
What effect do you suppose that people like you who continually undermine confidence in science and scientists to defend your mythology have on people's willingness to treat the threat of global climate change as credible?
insidesecrets wrote:
I realize you have a propensity to react with knee jerk responses...laying the blame for everything at the feet of Christians, but scientists are at fault. Hardly articulate communicators, they have failed dismally to convey the severity of climate change to the world at large.
You evaded the question.

But you did it in an amusing way:

"knee jerk responses...laying the blame ... but scientists are at fault."

Anyway, once again, what is your church's part in undermining confidence in science and scientists? What is your part personally?

“What game?”

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Location hidden

#12483 Feb 6, 2013
Thinking wrote:
when you can give so much more...
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I'm a lesbian with a mean streak. I've seen many naked men. Most of them exaggerate.

I have a wallet collection.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#12484 Feb 6, 2013
madscot wrote:
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Hey Poly, I watched Mea Culpa Maxima on HBO. I highly suggest it.
It's a documentary about the priest pedophiles.
I just programmed it on the DVR on your recommendation.

Did you see a movie called Our Fathers with Brian Dennahy and Christopher Plummer?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#12485 Feb 6, 2013
insidesecrets wrote:
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Why would anyone watch a movie about pedophilia?
To learn. To learn about the dangers of the Roman Catholic church and organized religion.

"Mea Maxima Culpa: Silence In The House of God" Documentary Blames Vatican For Poor Handling Of Catholic Sexual Abuse Case
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/16/mea-...

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#12486 Feb 6, 2013
insidesecrets wrote:
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The first amendment simply guarantees the principle of religious liberty.
It does a lot more than that. How about freedom of speech, of the press, to petition the government with grievances, and to assemble peaceably? Oh, and freedom *from* religion - the most important part of religious liberty. It needs to be stated explicitly.

And that's the most valuable part of the First Amendment for me - freedom from religion. No, not freedom of speech. After all, without freedom from religion, you wouldn't have freedom of speech. Nor freedom from the church's retaliation, which is infamous.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#12487 Feb 6, 2013
insidesecrets wrote:
And yet you are alive and well in a country that guarantes the freedom to practice or not to practice religion. Nobody is going to kill you for religious heresy.
That's the fruit of secular philosophy. Secularists had to criminalize many Christian practices.

And yes, that was centuries ago, but there is no reason to believe that if they legalized witch burning again tomorrow that the Christians wouldn't be setting people on fire the day after.

Can you name one instance in history where Christians had the power to burn or impale unbelievers with impunity, but elected not to use it - even one instance of Christians saying, "Yes, we could burn people alive for blasphemy, but we choose not to do so, because that would be too barbaric and sadistic"?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#12488 Feb 6, 2013
insidesecrets wrote:
Better society? There can be no moral progress in an amoral secular society
Rational ethics such as those embodied in the Affirmations of Humanism are far superior to Christian ethics. Christians ethics should be ignored wherever they contradict rational ethics.

Actually, Christians really have no idea about right and wrong at all. Anything that your god is alleged to have said or done is called perfect love. If you can convince a Christian that his god commands him to enucleate the eyes of puppies with a fork, they'll do it and call it perfect love.

Furthermore, unlike secularists, Christians are desensitized by a bible that catalogs its god's genocides and other atrocities one after another, chapter after chapter.

And they are taught that suffering is their god's will. How sick is this form a woman that the church wants to declare a saint:

"I think it is very beautiful for the poor to accept their lot, to share it with the passion of Christ. I think the world is being much helped by the suffering of the poor people." – Mother Teresa

This combinations of ideas has had a devastating effect throughout history. Because of these attitudes, if you were a Jew in Nazi Germany, and the only thing standing between you and the gas chambers was the quality of Christian morality and character, you didn't have much chance. If you were waiting for these tens of millions of church trained Christians to do what Jesus taught and stand up and say, "This is wrong! Stop, Herr Hitler!" you were a dead Jew.

Humanism has no such failures.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#12489 Feb 6, 2013
insidesecrets wrote:
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You can have 50 conclusions, but it does nothing to eliminate selective reporting where researchers make subtle omissions and misperceptions as they try and explain their results in as favorable a light as possible to ensure future grant money.
Which is why you have repeatability among different researchers with different biases.

Now, the alternative is what? Mystical introspection? Well,*that* obviously has no biases whatsoever.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#12490 Feb 6, 2013
insidesecrets wrote:
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This explains the mechanisms involved in the process. It does not explain how enzymes "know" what to do.
They don't.

Pathetic fallacy:

"The pathetic fallacy is the treatment of inanimate objects as if they had human feelings, thought, or sensations. The word 'pathetic' in this use is related to 'pathos' or 'empathy'(capability of feeling), and is not pejorative."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathetic_fallacy

Phrase your questions properly.

Of course, that wasn't actually a question anyway - not in the sense of a sincere search for an answer. It was latent commentary disguised as a request for information, namely, the implication that knowing is involved. Since molecules can't know, something intelligent must be knowing for them.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#12491 Feb 6, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
And every time that religion is questioned by believers, another denomination is born. We have over 38,000 of them in America now. Science has only the one.

"Explain why there are several hundred thousand gods accepted by different religious people, but only one periodic table accepted by different scientists" – anon
insidesecrets wrote:
There are many different disciplines within the organization of science.
Yes, I know. Did you have a point? Are you implying that the Christian denominations are analogous? They're not.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#12492 Feb 6, 2013
insidesecrets wrote:
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And yet you are alive and well in a country that guarantes the freedom to practice or not to practice religion. Nobody is going to kill you for religious heresy.
And that is because we specifically limit the power of religion: no religious tests for public office, no religion established by the government, etc. And yet, we *still* have religions attempting to circumvent those restrictions all the time.
Better society? There can be no moral progress in an amoral secular society and this is reflected in the media....the glorification of violence, a lack of respect for living things, an obsession with sex makes human intimacy seem profane. Family values have changed considerably under the influence of secularism ( a "me" oriented society), producing a crop of undisciplined children who lack compassion and manners, and have no respect for authority.
Violence has been glorified for millenia. Just 100 years ago was the lead-up to World War I and all sides were claiming a God-given right to do as they did. They also were almost yearning to go to war. Of course, the reality didn't quite fit the propaganda.

Family values? The show 'Leave it to Beaver' was *fiction*. If you go back 5-60 years, you still have widespread adultery, but you also get prominent racism, anti-semitism, and misogyny. Even the murder rate was higher then (contrary to popular conception).

Yes, the availability of effective contraception made it so that people could choose when to have children (or if!) and that gave woemen more power in reliationships and lead to their being a significant part of the modern work force. Good things! All criticized by the religious establishment.

Guess what? Humans have *always* been obsessed with sex: they have simply learned to be open about that fact. Again, this is a good, healthy thing. Sex is a good thing. Religious repression of the sexual impulse leads to unhappier people who are more tormented by trivial aspects of sexuality.

In terms of a better society, I will take the US of today hands down over the US of 60 years ago. And that goes double for the US of 100 years ago.

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