Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

There are 20 comments on the Apr 25, 2012, Psychology Today story titled Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038. In it, Psychology Today reports that:

My blog posts on religion have attracted a lot of controversy. Religious people are annoyed by my claim that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

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“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#12463 Feb 6, 2013
insidesecrets wrote:
Science, in stating that the universe is an accidental creation ...
Where does science say that. Whenever I read something like that, it is always from a Christian.
insidesecrets wrote:
... a meaningless happenstance clearly conveys a belief that the universe and man's existence has no value
Not to me or the other atheists I know. That sounds like more Christian thought.
insidesecrets wrote:
...a belief that separates man from his own mystical nature...
You have that backwards.

Your religion works to separate man from his world and his true nature. It teaches that he is an alien in an alien world made of base matter, one slated to be destroyed in an apocalyptic fury.

He is taught not to be a part of it:

• Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.- 1 John 2:15

• Do not conform to the pattern of this world - Romans 12:2

He is taught to view the very substance of his body - flesh - as profane. Chrisitans can hardly utter the word "flesh" without spitting.

• For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want.- Galatians 5:16-18

• For it is we who are the circumcision, we who serve God by his Spirit, who boast in Christ Jesus, and who put no confidence in the flesh.- Philippians 3:2-4

Man is taught to deny his own nature. He is to stifle his curiosity, his sense of reason, his conscience, his libido, and his free will.

He's taught that even his mind is alien - that the voice in his head is a demon speaking to him, and to ignore it.

And he is taught to separate himself psychologically even from his own family:

• If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters--yes, even his own life--he cannot be my disciple.- Luke 14:26

He is taught to divert his attention from our world and the years of his life, and to redirect it toward an imaginary realm of ghosts, and to a time that he will never see.

How's that for separation?

You talk about meaning and purpose, but what is this great purpose you imagine for yourself? To spend eternity slavishly kissing the ass of a selfish and needy tyrant? What is the value of such a life to anybody else but that god?

You live your lives like you're sitting at a bus stop waiting to be whisked away, with your attention, gratitude, and loyalty deflected to a nonexistent place you'll never see populated by ghosts that never existed. Where's the meaning in that?

This is why I say that there is no spirituality in Christian dogma. Spirituality, if anything, is a sense of awe and mystery regarding the world, a sense of connection to it, and a sense of gratitude for it. Your faith kills all of those.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#12464 Feb 6, 2013
NightSerf wrote:
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And have a look at this... http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2013/feb/05/tenn...
More Christian craziness, clearly unconstitutional even on the state level.
Yikes.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#12465 Feb 6, 2013
insidesecrets wrote:
Oddly enough, your interpretation of the Bible is far more literal than a Christian.
The stories were written to be understood literally except where called parables.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#12466 Feb 6, 2013
insidesecrets wrote:
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If you can have reason without faith, you can have faith without reason.
Yes. It helps, as with snake handlers.

You can also have faith without compassion. That also helps, as when not suffering witches.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#12467 Feb 6, 2013
insidesecrets wrote:
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I said nothing about absolutes. I said the Ten Commandments have influenced our laws as well as our culture.
To the extent that that is true, it is irrelevant to your pitch to worship the Christian god, which to my knowledge, did not come up with a single good idea. Or maybe you can enlighten us to some moral precept worth keeping that first appeared in the Christian bible.

“Darwin died for your sins”

Since: Aug 08

Nunya

#12468 Feb 6, 2013
NightSerf wrote:
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And have a look at this... http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2013/feb/05/tenn...
More Christian craziness, clearly unconstitutional even on the state level.
A judge blocked one of those bills here last year. Texas even blocked one as well. When will these idiots stop this crap?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#12469 Feb 6, 2013
insidesecrets wrote:
Your paranoia shows the ways in which private beliefs can distort actual events. The Catholic Church hasn't held political power since the Dark Ages. While the paranoid is convinced that his distorted view is valid, this does not change other people's perception of the same happening.
Catholic or Protestant, Sunni or Shia - who cares? Besides, many medieval popes had immense political power. And I'd call the Spanish Inquisition political power. Even today, the ability of the RCC to resist investigation for brokering in children is evidence of its political power.

And that church would surely burn us again tomorrow if it could.

Are you a Catholic? If so, I have a few questions for you

[1] Would you recommend that the mother of adolescent boys join the Catholic church, let her sons become altar boys, and allow them to spend unsupervised time with Catholic priests? Id so, why?

[2] Knowing what we know about your church, should a mother that leaves her sons with priests that molest them be treated differently from one who leaves her child alone in a crack house? If so, why?

[3] Since the Roman Catholic church is a known international pedophilic sex syndicate, doesn't tithing to it knowing that make one a supporter and an enabler of sexual crimes against children, like somebody who purchases kiddie porn? Aren't you actually underwriting the trafficking in boys? If no, why not?

[4] Are the priests, bishops, cardinals and popes who turned a blind eye, reassign known pedophile priests to unsuspecting, or pay hush money to cover up crimes and enable them any less criminal than the offending pedophile? If not, why not?

[5] Since foreign heads of state like Hussein and Noriega that merely threaten Americans are often taken by force, should the Vatican, which facilitates the molestation of American boys, not also be raided by Navy Seals or UN forces, and the pope frog marched before cameras to justice by force like Hussein and Noriega? If not, what makes the pope and exception? His skin color? That he says "Jesus, Jesus" a lot?
Thinking

Gillingham, UK

#12470 Feb 6, 2013
When they've died?

This Jim Tracy moron is trying to depose another anti-abortion republican... so anti-abortion in fact, he "pushed his patient and mistress to get an abortion and agreed that his wife should have two."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_DesJarlais#Person...
madscot wrote:
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A judge blocked one of those bills here last year. Texas even blocked one as well. When will these idiots stop this crap?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#12471 Feb 6, 2013
insidesecrets wrote:
As a group, scientists rigorously oppose the existence of telepathy or clairvoyance, or any philosophy that brings these into focus.
If these things exist, it will be scientists that discover and demonstrate it, not priests or Christian apologists.
insidesecrets wrote:
Science will forever escape opening up into any great vision of the meaning of life.
What is the meaning of a life distracted from reality and focused on the time after its death?

Let me explain something to you:

We have dispatched with your biblical science and outperformed your best prophets.

And we have discarded your authoritarian ideas about government and family.

Although you claim to hold a monopoly on it, there is no spirituality in your philosophy, which gives no meaning nor purpose to life. Au contraie. It strips it of meaning.

Likewise with your moral code. Far from your church having a monopoly on morals, we find them grossly inadequate.

There is nothing we want from your religion except for it to go away.

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#12472 Feb 6, 2013
insidesecrets wrote:
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That would depend on what you consider reason.
The opposite of everything you post.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#12473 Feb 6, 2013
brent wrote:
Reasoning can be wrong, and reach false conclusions. 10 people using reasoning can come to different conclusions, some reach false conclusiosn,some correct.
Yes, I know.

Point?
brent wrote:
the sun still shines in the sky, ahs since the day you were born and will still be shining after the day you die.
show us your reasons for that lol
The shining comes from a ball of mostly hydrogen undergoing fusion wherein matter is being transformed into sunshine. The process will continue will until the ball exhausts its fuel supply. The angular momentum of the spinning earth makes the ball appear to rise and set each day, and gravity keeps us close to it.

Is that news to you? Maybe you should read more than one book?

“Darwin died for your sins”

Since: Aug 08

Nunya

#12474 Feb 6, 2013
Thinking wrote:
When they've died?
This Jim Tracy moron is trying to depose another anti-abortion republican... so anti-abortion in fact, he "pushed his patient and mistress to get an abortion and agreed that his wife should have two."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_DesJarlais#Person...
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I heard about that idiot. I think Tennesse just surpassed Oklahoma in the stupid race.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#12475 Feb 6, 2013
insidesecrets wrote:
If a scientist told you to leap off the nearest cliff to adjust a chemical imbalance, would you do it?
No.

If your god told you to leap off the nearest cliff to demonstrate your loyalty to it, would you do it?
insidesecrets wrote:
There is no great conversation among atheists.
Let me educate about what the Great Conversation is. From Wiki:

"The tradition of the West is embodied in the Great Conversation that began in the dawn of history and that continues to the present day"

"What binds the authors together in an intellectual community is the great conversation in which they are engaged. In the works that come later in the sequence of years, we find authors listening to what their predecessors have had to say about this idea or that, this topic or that."

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#12476 Feb 6, 2013
insidesecrets wrote:
There are only those who refuse to examine what they believe
"Faith, by definition, is unexamined. So in that sense it has to be among the shallowest of experiences" - Condell
insidesecrets wrote:
cults deal with fear primarily using it as a stimulus to incite its members to pursue a common goal.
Yes, I know:

"Religion needs us to believe that death is something that needs to be greatly feared without its protection. And the closer we get to it the greater the fear will become until it builds to a crescendo of terror right at the final moment, and then, you’d better believe it, you’ll turn to God, oh yes, you will." - Condell

"What, after all, is religion? It is fear. Fear builds the altar and offers the sacrifice. Fear erects the cathedral and bows the head of man in worship. Fear bends the knees and utters the prayer. Fear pretends to love." - Robert Green Ingersoll

"To the philosophy of atheism belongs the credit of robbing death of its horror and its terror. It brought about the abolition of Hell." - Joseph Lewis

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#12477 Feb 6, 2013
Thinking wrote:
When they've died?
This Jim Tracy moron is trying to depose another anti-abortion republican... so anti-abortion in fact, he "pushed his patient and mistress to get an abortion and agreed that his wife should have two."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_DesJarlais#Person...
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They never stop. I admire their tenacity even though I abhor their religious convictions.

Never give an inch.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#12478 Feb 6, 2013
insidesecrets wrote:
There is no separation of church and state. It is nowhere mentioned in the Constitution.
Would you offer an argument that you wouldn't accept? I'll bet that you just did:

“The next time believers tell you that "separation of church and state" does not appear in our founding document, tell them to stop using the word "trinity." The word "trinity" appears nowhere in the bible.

Neither does Rapture, or Second Coming, or Original Sin. If they are still unfazed (or unphrased) by this, then add Omniscience, Omnipresence, Supernatural, Transcendence, Afterlife, Deity, Divinity, Theology, Monotheism, Missionary, Immaculate Conception, Christmas, Christianity, Evangelical, Fundamentalist, Methodist, Catholic, Pope, Cardinal, Catechism, Purgatory, Penance, Transubstantiation, Excommunication, Dogma, Chastity, Unpardonable Sin, Infallibility, Inerrancy, Incarnation, Epiphany, Sermon, Eucharist, the Lord's Prayer, Good Friday, Doubting Thomas, Advent, Sunday School, Dead Sea, Golden Rule, Moral, Morality, Ethics, Patriotism, Education, Atheism, Apostasy, Conservative (Liberal is in), Capital Punishment, Monogamy, Abortion, Pornography, Homosexual, Lesbian, Fairness, Logic, Republic, Democracy, Capitalism, Funeral, Decalogue, or Bible.”- Dan Barker

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#12479 Feb 6, 2013
insidesecrets wrote:
Examples of "God" in U.S. government:

"The Chaplain of the United States Senate opens each session of the United States Senate with a prayer, and provides and coordinates religious programs and pastoral care support for Senators, their staffs, and their families." There is also a House Chaplain. Both House and Senate Chaplains have staff and receive a salary from the government. The Senate chaplain receives $155,500.00 (2011). The total annual budget for the office, including salaries and expenses, is $415,000 (2011).

"Along with the House Chaplain, the Senate Chaplain is responsible for overseeing the Capitol Prayer Room, located near the Capitol Rotunda. Dedicated in 1955, there are no worship services held in the room, nor is it normally open to the public. Instead, as described by Sam Rayburn during the room's dedication, it is a place for members "who want to be alone with their God."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaplain_of_the_...
Bibles are used in Presidential Inaugural ceremonies. The oath of office ends with the words, "So help me God." They are also used in courts of law.

A law passed by the 84th Congress on July 30, 1956 declared In God We Trust to be the national motto of the United States. The words, "In God We Trust" can be found on all U.S. currency.
The Pledge of Allegiance includes the words, "One nation under God."

The U.S. National Anthem includes the words, "Then conquer we must, when our cause is just, And this be our motto: "In God is our trust"

The Supreme Court has its very own Ten Commandment display: Hebrew-inscribed tablets held by Moses, one of a series of historical figures who look down from the ceiling on the justices.
In the Washington Monument, the Jefferson Memorial, the Lincoln Memorial, the Library of Congress etc., there are numerous acknowlegments of God and Bible verses carved on memorial blocks in the walls.
Violations all. We'll fix that for you.
Thinking

Gillingham, UK

#12480 Feb 6, 2013
when you can give so much more...
River Tam wrote:
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Never give an inch.
Thinking

Gillingham, UK

#12481 Feb 6, 2013
Interesting that "insidesecrets" starting posting in what I assume they thought would appear a reasoned manner, trying to cast doubt on scientific practices and the like.

Now they've degenerated into the usual believer babble.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Would you offer an argument that you wouldn't accept? I'll bet that you just did:
“The next time believers tell you that "separation of church and state" does not appear in our founding document, tell them to stop using the word "trinity." The word "trinity" appears nowhere in the bible.
Neither does Rapture, or Second Coming, or Original Sin. If they are still unfazed (or unphrased) by this, then add Omniscience, Omnipresence, Supernatural, Transcendence, Afterlife, Deity, Divinity, Theology, Monotheism, Missionary, Immaculate Conception, Christmas, Christianity, Evangelical, Fundamentalist, Methodist, Catholic, Pope, Cardinal, Catechism, Purgatory, Penance, Transubstantiation, Excommunication, Dogma, Chastity, Unpardonable Sin, Infallibility, Inerrancy, Incarnation, Epiphany, Sermon, Eucharist, the Lord's Prayer, Good Friday, Doubting Thomas, Advent, Sunday School, Dead Sea, Golden Rule, Moral, Morality, Ethics, Patriotism, Education, Atheism, Apostasy, Conservative (Liberal is in), Capital Punishment, Monogamy, Abortion, Pornography, Homosexual, Lesbian, Fairness, Logic, Republic, Democracy, Capitalism, Funeral, Decalogue, or Bible.”- Dan Barker

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#12482 Feb 6, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
What effect do you suppose that people like you who continually undermine confidence in science and scientists to defend your mythology have on people's willingness to treat the threat of global climate change as credible?
insidesecrets wrote:
I realize you have a propensity to react with knee jerk responses...laying the blame for everything at the feet of Christians, but scientists are at fault. Hardly articulate communicators, they have failed dismally to convey the severity of climate change to the world at large.
You evaded the question.

But you did it in an amusing way:

"knee jerk responses...laying the blame ... but scientists are at fault."

Anyway, once again, what is your church's part in undermining confidence in science and scientists? What is your part personally?

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