Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

Apr 25, 2012 Full story: Psychology Today 23,006

My blog posts on religion have attracted a lot of controversy. Religious people are annoyed by my claim that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

Full Story
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#12441 Feb 5, 2013
Hedonist wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually there is no "god" in the constitution and the only mention of religion is the "no religious test" to hold office clause.
The, of course there's the very 1st Amendment. But wait ... there's more --
..
If there is no "god' in US constitution, how come it appeared on "Every Dollar Bill"?

Who put it there?

Devil?

Or Jews that control Federal Reserve which Prints all the money?

“Darwin died for your sins”

Since: Aug 08

Nunya

#12442 Feb 5, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
If there is no "god' in US constitution, how come it appeared on "Every Dollar Bill"?
Who put it there?
Devil?
Or Jews that control Federal Reserve which Prints all the money?
Are you saying that God is in the constitution?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#12443 Feb 5, 2013
insidesecrets wrote:
Christians have been trying to save the world for Jesus for 2,000 years and they haven't succeeded yet. What are you afraid of?
Nothing. Your church has done nothing for the world that it couldn't have done better without it.

It's our turn. You Christians can be gracious about it, stand down, and wish us well, or the process can be more like this thread.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#12444 Feb 5, 2013
insidesecrets wrote:
To believe that the universe just happened for no particular reason takes faith.
We reject faith.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#12445 Feb 6, 2013
insidesecrets wrote:
And how has the so called wild imaginings of the religious hurt science, or you for that matter?
“We would be 1,500 years ahead if it hadn't been for the church dragging science back by its coattails and burning our best minds at the stake.”- Catherine Fahringer

Your church has been waging a war against science since it first met it. You're here to damage science now.
Henry

Lugau, Germany

#12446 Feb 6, 2013
insidesecrets wrote:
<quoted text>
And yet you are alive and well in a country that guarantes the freedom to practice or not to practice religion. Nobody is going to kill you for religious heresy.
<quoted text>
Better society? There can be no moral progress in an amoral secular society and this is reflected in the media....the glorification of violence, a lack of respect for living things, an obsession with sex makes human intimacy seem profane. Family values have changed considerably under the influence of secularism ( a "me" oriented society), producing a crop of undisciplined children who lack compassion and manners, and have no respect for authority.
At the moment we have not reached the conditions of the Bible belt like the southern parts of the US, in Europe. But we are on their way to it

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#12447 Feb 6, 2013
insidesecrets wrote:
Then live and let live.
People are in no danger - just Christian institutions and Christian cultural hegemony. This is a culture war - you know, like the one you were waging when you were conflating secular humanists with Mao and Pol Pot and science with faith.
Henry

Lugau, Germany

#12448 Feb 6, 2013
insidesecrets wrote:
<quoted text>
And yet you are alive and well in a country that guarantes the freedom to practice or not to practice religion. Nobody is going to kill you for religious heresy.
<quoted text>
Better society? There can be no moral progress in an amoral secular society and this is reflected in the media....the glorification of violence, a lack of respect for living things, an obsession with sex makes human intimacy seem profane. Family values have changed considerably under the influence of secularism ( a "me" oriented society), producing a crop of undisciplined children who lack compassion and manners, and have no respect for authority.
These children are born in a capitalist society and religions is forced on them in this religioόs operated class society. In the nuclear age, this is extreme dangerous for the survival of our race.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#12449 Feb 6, 2013
insidesecrets wrote:
<quoted text>
I'll start:
Thou shalt not kill
Thou shalt not steal
Obviously. We didn't need your bible for that.

In fact, it was secularists that forced your church to stop killing "heretics" in the West.

And "Thou shalt not steal"? You stole that from the Jews.

Does your religion offer any original contributions to moral theory worth keeping? Specifically, is there any moral precept attributed to Jesus that we should preserve? Can you name one?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#12451 Feb 6, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>
The *only* reason the religious crap hasn't been taught in schools recently is because of the diligence of those trying to keep our secular form of government. There are currently proposals in several different states attempting to mandate the teaching of creationism in science classes.
I just saw this in an article entitled "Intelligent design bill in Missouri" dated January 12th, 2012:

"House Bill 1227, introduced in the Missouri House of Representatives on January 10, 2012, would, if enacted, require "the equal treatment of science instruction regarding evolution and intelligent design," according to the legislature's summary of the bill."
http://ncse.com/news/2012/01/intelligent-desi...

Those people are already far enough behind.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#12452 Feb 6, 2013
Khatru wrote:
What about "Honour they father and mother"? Is that an absolute rule?
Apparently, according to this Christian, America was founded on it.

I've never even understood what that commandment requires children to do - obey their parents, as in honor their word? Then say so. How about honor their memory? I doubt that it means to give them a trophy or an award ceremony.

And what use is a commandment to children? Do children obey commandments?

And why would a god include that in a list of the ten most important instruction to humankind?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#12453 Feb 6, 2013
rio wrote:
I think the public purse is better off exempting churches from taxations than having to support them! Just look at Germany, where the churches are state supported, and clerics paid by the government
The citizens of Germany would likely be better off it the state did neither - neither tax exemption nor subvention. Why pay clerics? Let them become gainfully employed. If the church can't survive without public assistance, let it vanish.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#12454 Feb 6, 2013
TerryL wrote:
<quoted text>Excellent post, sir!
Thanks, Terry.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#12455 Feb 6, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
Not to mention the top quark before that and the W and Z particles before that. And that doesn't mention the host of particles that aren't fundamental (being made of quarks, for example) but are accurately predicted by the theory. And it isn't just the energies, it is also the spins, the parities, the interaction strengths, and other specific properties of the particles.
All in all, much better 'prophesies' than some non-sense about feet of clay or iron.
Yes, and thank you for that.

Biblical prophecy is offered as evidence that the bible is of divine origin and to be trusted. Yet the people touting it are completely unfazed by scientific prophecy, which unlike biblical prophecy, is high quality prophecy:

[a] High quality prophecy needs to be specific, detailed and unambiguous. Optimally, the time and place are specified.

[b] It also needs to prophecy something unexpected, unlikely or unique - something that was not self-fulfilling and could not have been contrived.

[c] The prophecies must be verified that they came before the event predicted, and that they were fulfilled completely.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#12456 Feb 6, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
You are right, the "Experts" are very adept at what they present as "Most probable explanation" for the observed facts.
Just by doing that, so many "theories" and "half cooked ideas" have been taken as "proven facts".
Just look at the TOE and wonder, how little we actually know and how big claims have been made about it!!
And every one believes that TOE is an "established scientific theory"!!
Just because you were afraid of studying physics for 6-10 years does not mean you can go around saying nobody knows about it.

Physics is hard. That is why there are only a few people who work on these problems.

Just because you don't understand something does not make it false.

The problem with you religious folks is that you think reading a religious book is a substitute for hard work, long nights running experiments and writing papers for no pay or food - with no guarantee of results.

If religious people knew what scientists have to do day in and day out to put out a paper, they would die of exhaustion. Its more simple for a religious person to ask thin air for a favour and then sit down and let the universe cure AIDs and cancer itself...

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#12457 Feb 6, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
People are in no danger - just Christian institutions and Christian cultural hegemony. This is a culture war - you know, like the one you were waging when you were conflating secular humanists with Mao and Pol Pot and science with faith.
Don't kid yourself, Gomer. We're the masters of atrocities. We will rule the world and you're going to be the first one on our hit list. LOL!
Thinking

Gillingham, UK

#12458 Feb 6, 2013
In a similar vein, what about "You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the LORD your God am a jealous God,visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me..."

Is abusing children yet unborn an absolute rule?
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>
What about "Honour they father and mother"?
Is that an absolute rule?
Thinking

Gillingham, UK

#12459 Feb 6, 2013
Straw man.

Secular does not mean amoral.

Of course there is progress. That's why christards don't get to burn witches so much these days. That's why our murder rates are falling whilst church congregations are dwindling. You can trust people to do the right thing more every year.
insidesecrets wrote:
<quoted text>
Better society? There can be no moral progress in an amoral secular society and this is reflected in the media....
Thinking

Gillingham, UK

#12460 Feb 6, 2013
Easy to read between the lines: rio wants to help islam take hold at a time when normal people are suddenly getting sick of it.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
The citizens of Germany would likely be better off it the state did neither - neither tax exemption nor subvention. Why pay clerics? Let them become gainfully employed. If the church can't survive without public assistance, let it vanish.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#12461 Feb 6, 2013
insidesecrets wrote:
An eye for an eye. The more you comment, the more Christian-like you seem. In many ways orthodox religion and science are similar. Both loudly proclaim their search for truth. Both treat their beliefs as truth, with which no one should tamper. They each have their own vocabulary which is used to enforce their "exclusive" organizations. They both claim to have the way to truth ...
Texas sharpshooter fallacy. You can do this with any two sets of ideas - identify a cluster of similarities and pretend that they are significant, like a Texan shooting at a barn and drawing a target around of cluster of hits. Here's a famous one, deconstructed by Snopes at http://www.snopes.com/history/american/lincol... :

• Abraham Lincoln was elected to Congress in 1846.
John F. Kennedy was elected to Congress in 1946.

• Abraham Lincoln was elected President in 1860.
John F. Kennedy was elected President in 1960.

• The names Lincoln and Kennedy each contain seven letters.

• Both were particularly concerned with civil rights.

• Both wives lost their children while living in the White House.

• Both Presidents were shot on a Friday.

• Both were shot in the head.

• Lincoln's secretary, Kennedy, warned him not to go to the theatre.
Kennedy's secretary, Lincoln, warned him not to go to Dallas.

• Both were assassinated by Southerners, and both were succeeded by Southerners named Johnson.

• Andrew Johnson, who succeeded Lincoln, was born in 1808.
Lyndon Johnson, who succeeded Kennedy, was born in 1908.

• John Wilkes Booth was born in 1839.
Lee Harvey Oswald was born in 1939.

• Both assassins were known by their three names.

• Both names are comprised of fifteen letters

• Booth ran from the theater and was caught in a warehouse.
Oswald ran from a warehouse and was caught in a theater.

• Booth and Oswald were assassinated before their trials.

[They forgot that John Wilkes Booth and Lee Harvey Oswald each contain fifteen letters.]

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Atheism Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
Atheism requires as much faith as religion? (Jul '09) 15 min Dave Nelson 230,159
Evidence for God! 1 hr Uncle Sam 3
Does Being 'Spiritual But Not Religious' Really... 5 hr Thinking 8
Atheist because of art class 10 hr AtheistBodybuilde... 1
Science Disproves Evolution (Aug '12) 11 hr Richardfs 1,404
Islam for peace, or violence? 13 hr Thinking 54
Adam Atheoi - the god of 'humanity' 13 hr Thinking 92
Our world came from nothing? 21 hr Thinking 1,061

Atheism People Search

Addresses and phone numbers for FREE